Rick Ray gets a 4-star commit tonight

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11-19-2014, 05:45 PM
drunkernhelldawg

This is terrible. Does somebody maybe need to get a room?
11-19-2014, 05:57 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

20 is less than 21 and 21 got him fired. Twenty wins is fair. 21 was a disaster that meant firing. Again twenty is fair. 17 wins is a fu@king joke. Will James could coach us to 17 wins in basketball.

Stands got fired more for off the court problems than on the court. Stop with the 21 wins or you're fired BS
11-19-2014, 06:04 PM
JOHNHEVESYMADE

What does Ray's record have to be in SEC play to keep his job? 6 wins? More? Less? He's 7-29 so far in my mind he needs to get at least 8.
11-19-2014, 06:05 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by NewTweederEndzoneDance

Since you and Dawg61 cannot seem to grasp that simple concept, how about we compare this season to Stansbury's 3rd season: 2000-01 Mississippi State 18-13 7-9 T-4th (West);

And that was without inheriting a complete disaster in his first year. For the record, if we continue with this comparison: Stansbury's 2nd season - 14-16 (5-11). Ray's 2nd season - 14-19 (4-14). So in season 2 of the comparison, there wasn't much difference either. Again, without having inherited a complete dumpster fire.

I really think you guys are just trolling people at this point. And by people, I really mean engie, because he gets really uspet. However, these anti-Ray talking points (and well everything Dawg61 says about basketball, since his every post on the subject lacks any rational thinking) do get tiring. No one at all disputes that we must show signs of significant improvement this season or the Ray bandwagon will be lacking members.

eggggggsactly
11-19-2014, 06:14 PM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

What does Ray's record have to be in SEC play to keep his job? 6 wins? More? Less? He's 7-29 so far in my mind he needs to get at least 8.

There are no amount of wins required for Ray to keep his job this year. He's going to be here at least 4 years. Period.
11-19-2014, 06:14 PM
MabenMaroon

Can somebody put these two in timeout. Would love to see a basketball discussion without it degenerating into the above. I know, my mistake for clicking on the thread, but I was hoping to see something about the new 4* recruit committing, oh well. Siiiggghhh!
11-19-2014, 06:20 PM
drunkernhelldawg

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

What does Ray's record have to be in SEC play to keep his job? 6 wins? More? Less? He's 7-29 so far in my mind he needs to get at least 8.

He is not on the hot seat. He gets at least one more year. I think we're better off giving him two.
11-19-2014, 06:20 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

What does Ray's record have to be in SEC play to keep his job? 6 wins? More? Less? He's 7-29 so far in my mind he needs to get at least 8.

To keep his job? I'd say 5...maybe 6

8 or more SEC wins and the admin will be pumped
11-19-2014, 06:56 PM
Schultzy

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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE

What does Ray's record have to be in SEC play to keep his job? 6 wins? More? Less? He's 7-29 so far in my mind he needs to get at least 8.

He is 0-0. His predecessor is 7-29 over the last two seasons.

Ray will succeed, get over it. Contrary to popular belief you can't rebuild in one season if you're not Kentucky.
11-19-2014, 07:42 PM
BullDog

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Originally Posted by codeDawg

Ray just needs to recruit. College basketball is all about talent. You can have a developmental football team, but not basketball. Ray could be an awesome floor coach, but we won't get to see it until he puts some kids on the floor that can play.

His classes so far have been terrible, and that's on him. He might have been in a bad way with boosters or whatever, but it's his job to figure it out and get guys in.

This guy is a good start, but he needs to get it going in 2015. Land Newman and he's got something to work from. I like Ray. I'll support Ray, but he's got to make some big strides on recruiting or we need to go another direction. I don't really care what the circumstances are.

Mercer vs. Duke http://youtu.be/oLUpKYjKlXg

None my biz though
11-19-2014, 08:21 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach34

eggggggsactly

What you fail to realize is that 2000-2001 team made it to the final 8 of the NIT and had a roster with Mario Austin, Timmy Bowers, Michael Gholar, Markell Paterson, Tang Hamilton, Robert Jackson, Derick Zimmerman and Ontario Harper, Winsome Frazier, Marcus Campbell and Michael Ignerski coming in.
11-19-2014, 08:30 PM
tcdog70

I love MSU basketball, I am very opinionated. I respect other poster views and really don't like to get into a childish name calling tirade. but I am hesitant to post because of Engie and his insane name calling. I disagree with Coach but I can usually have a good back and forth without my blood pressure going Up. but Engie ruins most round ball threads by attacking those who don't agree with Him. It has been funny today because Engie has had his ass handed to Him. shit , I hope we do win twenty. But if I think Ray is doing.a Piss poor job , I would like to post that without having all those stupid stats throw up about something that happened three years ago. go Dogs and I hope Chicken returns and we win ten in a row.
11-19-2014, 08:31 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

What you fail to realize is that 2000-2001 team made it to the final 8 of the NIT and had a roster with Mario Austin, Timmy Bowers, Michael Gholar, Markell Paterson, Tang Hamilton, Robert Jackson, Derick Zimmerman and Ontario Harper, Winsome Frazier, Marcus Campbell and Michael Ignerski coming in.

I dont fail to realize anything- That team was 16-11 and 7-9 in the SEC. Lost their only game of the SEC Tourney to go to 16-12. That wont get you a CBI bid now. And that is the best Stands could do when he had been building that team for 4 years. He inherited a very damn good roster that had been disciplined by Williams- what Stands and Ray inherited are light years apart

And Ray has talent coming in also- so I'm not seeing the problem?
11-19-2014, 08:33 PM
tcdog70

[QUOTE=Dawg61;291609]What you fail to realize is that 2000-2001 team made it to the final 8 of the NIT and had a roster with Mario Austin, Timmy Bowers, Michael Gholar, Markell Paterson, Tang Hamilton, Robert Jackson, Derick Zimmerman and Ontario Harper, Winsome Frazier, Marcus Campbell and Michael Ignerski coming in.[/QUOTE

I was at every home game that year. the SEC was pretty ****ing tuff. Was that the year we beat Arizona at Arizona in a hell of a game, I think so.
11-19-2014, 08:35 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I was at every home game that year. the SEC was pretty ****ing tuff. Was that the year we beat Arizona at Arizona in a hell of a game, I think so.

It was a better basketball conference then for sure
11-19-2014, 09:15 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Coach34

It was a better basketball conference then for sure

The point that you're still missing was that team had loads of obvious potential in it. Yes our record wasn't great overall but we finished 7-9 in conference and won some postseason games. Things LOOKED bright. And they were because the very next year we went 27-8 and lost to Texas in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. You think we're going to win 27 games next year C34? No you guys are too busy setting the bar so low at 17 wins.
11-19-2014, 09:29 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by codeDawg

I think everybody knows what we're in for this year, and we all know it isn't because Ray isn't coaching well, it's because we don't have the players. That's his fault no matter what the circumstances are. If he will go get the players, we will win more games and everyone will be happy. If he doesn't, we won't, and it's time to move on.

We're getting them! You're commenting on a thread about landing an out-of-state stud somehow against all odds.

I will never understand why everyone's response to news like this isn't simply, 'Awesome, great news! Let's hope we can get even more.'

Everyone agrees our talent level has to continue to increase. But it doesn't happen instantly. The process is starting. Just be excited about this news; you don't have to qualify everything with, 'but we still need to do more.' We can't get more than one commit when one kid announces. This is the best possible news for us out of Simonds' announcement.
11-19-2014, 09:30 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

The point that you're still missing was that team had loads of obvious potential in it. Yes our record wasn't great overall but we finished 7-9 in conference and won some postseason games. Things LOOKED bright. And they were because the very next year we went 27-8 and lost to Texas in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. You think we're going to win 27 games next year C34? No you guys are too busy setting the bar so low at 17 wins.

If we somehow land Malik, there's no telling how many games we could win. A young superstar surrounded by senior players would be a nice formula
11-19-2014, 09:47 PM
engie

Was there ever any doubt that you would show up for some blind support? Can none of you actually fight your own battles against me? Actually don't reply to that -- I already know the answer.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I respect other poster views and really don't like to get into a childish name calling tirade.

The first actual names called in both instances were your buddies Curly and Larry. But I don't guess I should be surprised when you see what you want to see. At some point, calling someone a dumbass is far more efficient than descriptively spelling out why those people are dumbasses in every single basketball thread in attempt to provide lessons that they never learn(because they are dumbasses). Yet this description and analogy will(again) escape you -- as I've already spelled this out for you in the most excruciating detail already this week. Surprise, surprise -- no lesson learned -- and back for more. Ex ?11? of dubmassery. Sorry I'm losing count.

But you are going to fight me IRL -- so I should probably slow my roll**

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I am hesitant to post because of Engie and his insane name calling.

If you are hesitant to post, that's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

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I disagree with Coach but I can usually have a good back and forth without my blood pressure going Up.

You haven't been around Coach for very long have you?

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but Engie ruins most round ball threads by attacking those who don't agree with Him.

I don't ruin threads for people disagreeing with me. I CONTRIBUTE to their ruin for people being dumbasses. There's a big and clear difference. Fact is -- at this point -- I don't consider any of the 4 of you intelligent enough to have an actual basketball conversation with. If you are, you certainly can't convey intelligence through a keyboard. You've proven otherwise too many times. On the other hand -- I've got a number of respectful basketball conversations going on with people that can convey intelligence, even in this very thread. If you want me to have adult conversations with you -- form a decent adult opinion and don't post anything overtly ridiculous.

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It has been funny today because Engie has had his ass handed to Him

Seeing what you want to see.

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But if I think Ray is doing.a Piss poor job ,

We know. Although you can't actually tell us why you think it without saying dumb and historically incorrect things that, like a scab to me, must be picked.

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shit , I hope we do win twenty.I would like to post that without having all those stupid stats throw up about something that happened three years ago. go Dogs and I hope Chicken returns and we win ten in a row.

That much we can agree on.
11-19-2014, 09:50 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

The point that you're still missing was that team had loads of obvious potential in it. Yes our record wasn't great overall but we finished 7-9 in conference and won some postseason games. Things LOOKED bright. And they were because the very next year we went 27-8 and lost to Texas in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. You think we're going to win 27 games next year C34? No you guys are too busy setting the bar so low at 17 wins.

Rick Ray and Rick Standsbury didnt start at the same place. You are either too thickheaded or too dumb to understand that. And it STILL took Stands 4 years to make the Tourney

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