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Originally Posted by Coursesuper
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You seem angry. It's just a debate. Not personal. God bless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
who, in your expert opinion should we have paid instead off hook and how much? we spent less on QB's than any other SEC team
I know you aren?t asking me, but I?ll answer. Signing Luke was the practical move. But what has that ever gotten us? We HAVE to do things differently. We should have just rolled with Shapen, KT and a cheap emergency QB. And taken all of that money we put into Luke and given it to another Olinemen and Dlinemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
Live and learn. The Texas Tech billionaire spends the cash on OL and DL. Says that QBs from the trash bin need to stay in the trash binQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
It wasn't a mistake at all. He was brought in for depth. Technically he did his job and did what he was brought in to do- which was to provide that depth. It's not his fault or ours that he wasn't needed. QB is a more important position than offensive line. If you don't have a good one even if you have the best offensive line in the world then you are still going to be really limited. That's why Ole Miss brought in Chambliss. And they would have absolutely been screwed had they put all of their eggs into Simmons basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The thing is though- besides that- we don't need to be in a situation where we are having to choose where we are allocating our money and having to pick between offensive line and QB. We need enough money to build a complete team. And to be fair we brought in Steen to play tackle. He got hurt against USM. Our offensive line and QB's are completely separate issues on the team that are necessarily related to each other. If we're having to pick and choose we are screwed anyway. It's not either/or. Had Loadholt been brought in sooner I don't think we would have had the issues we did because he was brought in after the first portal window closed. Which makes me think we could and would have added the depth there that we needed. And then things got compounded by injuries to guys like Albert Reese.
Essentially you are blaming our staff for not having a crystal ball while you have the benefit of hindsight that no one had at the time.
But again- the issue isn't that we were practical. The issue is we aren't complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
That's been the issue the whole time going back to at least Dan. See the 2015 offensive line. The 2016 smurf WR corp. Every year it was a different issue because we didn't address ALL of our needs. We have to get away from the philosophy of hire a coaching genius to overcome our lack of players. We have to get away from "Dan is going to get a bunch of 2-3 star diamonds in the rough and develop and coach them up" or "Leach is going to do more with less" or the blanket statement "MSU football has to be a little bit different". And more currently we have to get away from bringing guys like David Turner back because "we like him and he recruited Jeffrey Simmons 10 years ago." And Bumphis turned out to be not much better and was probably more useful as an insider to the media than he was as a WR coach.
We have to invest into recruiting which MSU fans hate doing but that is the only way out of this. And honestly we're probably going to have to overspend some to get the players we need to get a complete team.
No Todd. We spent too much on the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
That's irrelevant because we still wouldn't have had enough to spend on the rest of the team we needed anyway. We needed way more than one more offensive and defensive lineman.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
And no one would be saying we spent too much on him if we had a couple of injuries at QB.
You don?t get it. And that?s ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
But if KT goes down next year, we are f?d. Dont blow 500k on a backup QB to go 7-5.
And you are wrong, a legit LT and 1 more DL, we go 9-3. Hell, we may have gone 8-4 had Whitson not gotten hurt. We lost 3 games on basically the last play.
What if we did have 2 injuries and Luke had played QB. What would have changed? Absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Now imagine 2 better olinemen. Or a pass rusher. That moves the needle. We have to do things differently. Or we can just keep getting the same results
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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Again, you are operating off of hindsight that no one could have known at this time last year. You are also making this too cut and dried.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
What if Steen and Whitson don't get hurt? Our staff basically gambled that the historically more injury prone player at the position with the least experience had the most risk. It just didn't work out that way.
What if we signed players better than Red Hibbler and cut Bingley-Jones? What if we didn't sign the center from UTEP who provided nothing or Mayberry who didn't help us out at all or Jaekwon Bouldin? And how much NIL did we spend on an excessive amount of JUCO players last year who as a group contributed very little? I'm pretty sure I mentioned at least 500K in NIL deadweight out of that group if not more. There is an evaluation piece to this and Turner failed at that on the defensive line. Kennedy failed at it on the offensive line. There is a reason why Lebby wanted to increase the scouting dept at the end of the season. None of that has anything to do with us getting Kromenhoek. And who is to say that if we did allocate the money we used on Kroemenhoek that we would have added useable players?
In the meantime if we had two injuries at QB- it depends on when they happened. I don't think we beat Arizona State or Arkansas with Billy Puckett. And if that happens we don't go to a bowl so yeah- it could have made a major difference. And not that Kromenhoek wins those games either but we definitely have a better chance of winning them.
And MSU actually building a complete team IS different than what we have been doing. When we cut corners we usually get burned it seems.
Yep Whitson wrecked 2-3 drives a game by himself. NIL for every team is about being smart. Everyone don't or shouldn't get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
How much did LK get paid this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
That's the thing here - nobody knows. So no one can make a real call on this dumb argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawgFromOxford
Lebby was right, coming off 2-10, to bring in insurance at QB. He couldn't afford 2-10 with a rookie QB again. Hell, too many already want him fired for 5-7. He would have been crucified doing that again. And no - KT didn't show me enough to say that if Shapen got injured early we would have done any better than under MVB.
Stop making perfect sense! It’s going to break something around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Let?s keep trying to do what everyone else does. Hows that working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
We’re not. We spend a lot less that majority if not all of the SEC. It is showing. We need to spend more to compete, it’s really that simple. Nickel and dime whining about a backup qb (highest rated QB prospect we have ever signed by the way) isn’t a good spot to be in.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Oh, just spend more! Why didnt I think of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBDawg601
Well, you insinuated that we are doing what other teams are doing. I helped you figure out what we are not doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg