Does anyone really think Lebby will still be our coach in 2027?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

We paid for a team that was good enough to have 7 or 8 wins, but Lebby gave us 5.

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We paid for a team good enough to win MAYBE 6. The playcalling and buy in the staff has gotten from everyone has put us in position to win 7-8. That is not to say Lebby is absolved of fault because you have to close in those games. But we still are not funded at the level needed to be a 7-8 win team. We needed AT MINIMUM 2-4 mil more to get to that point last offseason.

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Originally Posted by Cowbeller

Okay at least youre self admitting to not knowing ball and just arguing to argue. We did not pay enough for 8 wins and we had a chance to. I get the high expectations and I am with you there but to actually achieve them takes planning and reality which you lack.

Everyone pony up what you can for next year and then the firing conversation has merit but we need $2.5M more to improve the line and retain our skill positions and pray the NCAA grants a 5th year for BT0

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Even Lebby's fanboys admit that we should have beaten Texas and Florida but his questionable coaching cost us the games. Too bad we didn't hire someone better or we could be looking at finishing ranked.

It would be one thing if I thought Lebby had learned his lesson and coaching wouldn't be a problem anymore, but I see no evidence of that.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We paid for a team good enough to win MAYBE 6. The playcalling and buy in the staff has gotten from everyone has put us in position to win 7-8. That is not to say Lebby is absolved of fault because you have to close in those games. But we still are not funded at the level needed to be a 7-8 win team. We needed AT MINIMUM 2-4 mil more to get to that point last offseason.

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That's "poor ol Mississippi State" thinking. We were absolutely good enough to beat 3-9 Florida with any reasonably competent coach and instead Lebbyed it up.

Texas and Arch have been overrated all year and were ripe for the taking, and again Lebby alone turned a win into a loss.

No, we didn't spend more NIL money than either, but our roster was good enough to get those wins anyway, thanks largely to problems at those other schools, and our substandard coach took that away from us.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

No idea, but this program is nuclear toxic. As is this alumni and fan base. No coach worth a 17 will touch it. We are a dead end, a place where coaches go to have their careers die. And if this trajectory continues MSU will get shuffled out during the next realignment. There will be no SEC or Big 10, it will be one big conference and our poor ass wont have a seat at the table.

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The SEC don't want us to go anywhere. Every week someone has to lose; they like it being us.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That's "poor ol Mississippi State" thinking. We were absolutely good enough to beat 3-9 Florida with any reasonably competent coach and instead Lebbyed it up.

Texas and Arch have been overrated all year and were ripe for the taking, and again Lebby alone turned a win into a loss.

No, we didn't spend more NIL money than either, but our roster was good enough to get those wins anyway, thanks largely to problems at those other, and our substandard coach took that away from us.

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Dead on. We should be 8-3 right now at worst.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We paid for a team good enough to win MAYBE 6. The playcalling and buy in the staff has gotten from everyone has put us in position to win 7-8. That is not to say Lebby is absolved of fault because you have to close in those games. But we still are not funded at the level needed to be a 7-8 win team. We needed AT MINIMUM 2-4 mil more to get to that point last offseason.

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No one knows what a win cost but what we spent is irrelevant. We had enough talent to win 8 this year as the season has proved. Don't lose the team and we probably win 1-2 more but that is lost now.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

And the cycle will continue. They will not give money for 2026, give money for 2027, stop because the coach did not do exactly what they want, not give in 2028, give again in 29, and on and on it goes.

At a certain point our fans have to decide that they are all in and are going to continue to give. You have to trust the AD to make the tough decisions when those times come. Because if we continue to give, and it does not work out, then that is something they can sell to a potential coaching candidate. No coach is going to come here when the pitch is, ?Well they will support you as long as you do exactly what they tell you and even then they will not support you if it does not go the way they want it to go?

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Not really. People with the money make the decisions. At end of the day, they want to spend money to win. No bank invest money in anything that loses. You just don't keep giving to throw money away you know isn't going to provide a return.

I guaran-****ing-tee that, if Lebby was 8-3 right now and we had a shot of shutting up Kiffin and the asshats up north, the money would flow

He will not be our coach in 2027. Selmon leaves for Oklahoma after the holidays. The new AD will have to look at Lebby's performance and say WTF?? After a 4 or 5 win season next year he will be fired. Hopefully everyone in the country won't be looking for a new coach like this season. We are just screwed right now.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That's "poor ol Mississippi State" thinking. We were absolutely good enough to beat 3-9 Florida with any reasonably competent coach and instead Lebbyed it up.

Texas and Arch have been overrated all year and were ripe for the taking, and again Lebby alone turned a win into a loss.

No, we didn't spend more NIL money than either, but our roster was good enough to get those wins anyway, thanks largely to problems at those other schools, and our substandard coach took that away from us.

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Poor ol' Mississippi State is being mad that you paid enough for 6 wins and didn't get 8 wins "because you had a chance." Most logical people would just pay the other 2-4 million to get the better players. Better players lead to better coaching decisions. Because when you have 4th and 3 and you go for it behind a competent offensive line that isn't garbage you are much more likely to get it and then all of a sudden the coach looks a lot smarter. Also, your QB's don't get sacked 40 times with better players and all of a sudden plays work better when your QB isn't getting hit every play. That goes for Shapen and KT by the way.

You can't be mad when the program is set up for failure and then the program fails.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Poor ol' Mississippi State is being mad that you paid enough for 6 wins and didn't get 8 wins "because you had a chance." Most logical people would just pay the other 2-4 million to get the better players. Better players lead to better coaching decisions. Because when you have 4th and 3 and you go for it behind a competent offensive line that isn't garbage you are much more likely to get it and then all of a sudden the coach looks a lot smarter. Also, your QB's don't get sacked 40 times with better players and all of a sudden plays work better when your QB isn't getting hit every play. That goes for Shapen and KT by the way.

You can't be mad when the program is set up for failure and then the program fails.

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"Poor ol' Mississippi State" is being OK with only getting 5 wins (come on, we aren't getting 6) when you were good enough to get 8 and the coach is the only reach why you failed to do so.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

"Poor ol' Mississippi State" is being OK with only getting 5 wins (come on, we aren't getting 6) when you were good enough to get 8 and the coach is the only reach why you failed to do so.

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The difference is we have the TALENT to win 5. This isn't like Moorhead where we had the talent to win 10+ in 2018. Lebby isn't the only reason why we have lost games. We literally can not sustain any injuries and have zero margin for error right now. That's due to our personnel. We can not block. The fact that we have averaged 30+ PPG is actually pretty remarkable behind that line.


Also, if I was "OK" with it I wouldn't be telling you how to fix it and how to improve. But instead of listening to me and others you just want to fire everyone like it's 2016 again.

If Lebby gets trucked in the EB by a lot he may not be coaching here next year. There are rumblings. Now if Lebby coaches a good game, keeps it close or miraculously wins then he will be back. But if this is a 2008 Egg Bowl situation then his chances of being here next year are slim.

And if Lane leaves after we let Lebby go, keep an eye on Joe Judge. He is not the same Joe we almost hired five years ago. He is a major cog in running that program. He and his wife want to stay in SEC country, preferably in Mississippi.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

If Lebby gets trucked in the EB by a lot he may not be coaching here next year. There are rumblings. Now if Lebby coaches a good game, keeps it close or miraculously wins then he will be back. But if this is a 2008 Egg Bowl situation then his chances of being here next year are slim.

And if Lane leaves after we let Lebby go, keep an eye on Joe Judge. He is not the same Joe we almost hired five years ago. He is a major cog in running that program. He and his wife want to stay in SEC country, preferably in Mississippi.

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Who that matters is rumbling? I haven't heard a peep.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Who that matters is rumbling? I haven't heard a peep.

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How many of your guys are 100% still on Lebby.

I have heard that the regression over the last few games is concerning. It has raised some eyebrows. How Lebby handles the EB is going to tell a lot of people if he really should get year three.

Of course my guy probably doesn?t know shit except for a few people just running off at the mouth after a bad loss. But I?d be remiss if I didn?t bring it up for the board.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

If Lebby gets trucked in the EB by a lot he may not be coaching here next year. There are rumblings. Now if Lebby coaches a good game, keeps it close or miraculously wins then he will be back. But if this is a 2008 Egg Bowl situation then his chances of being here next year are slim.

And if Lane leaves after we let Lebby go, keep an eye on Joe Judge. He is not the same Joe we almost hired five years ago. He is a major cog in running that program. He and his wife want to stay in SEC country, preferably in Mississippi.

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There are no rumblings. NONE. There's Bo Bounds trying to stir controversy to drive listeners to his dying on the vine shitty radio program. He's still pissed Selmon told him to kick rocks and cut his access.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

There are no rumblings. NONE. There's Bo Bounds trying to stir controversy to drive listeners to his dying on the vine shitty radio program. He's still pissed Selmon told him to kick rocks and cut his access.

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Bo Bounds aside, if Lane beats Lebby like a rented mule in two weeks things could go sideways quick. That?s just who we are.

My personal opinion is Lebby comes back no matter what the outcome but I believe he will be pretty much forced to get rid of some coaches. DC and ST are the big ones to upgrade.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Bo Bounds aside, if Lane beats Lebby like a rented mule in two weeks things could go sideways quick. That?s just who we are.

My personal opinion is Lebby comes back no matter what the outcome but I believe he will be pretty much forced to get rid of some coaches. DC and ST are the big ones to upgrade.

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Lebby will be back for 2026 unless he chooses to leave. That is a take it to the bank guarantee. The big money people see the progress. They know changes need to happen, but they know those changes aren't in the top job.

You're not wrong on your second part though. He's been told we need to look to upgrade at DC and STC. And I have it on pretty good authority that the self scout from him was not great yesterday. He more and more sees that he can't do everything and he is going to have to step back from playcalling for now. I would not be surprised if Matt, Benton, and Tanner handled a lot of playcalling for the Egg Bowl.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Lebby will be back for 2026 unless he chooses to leave. That is a take it to the bank guarantee. The big money people see the progress. They know changes need to happen, but they know those changes aren't in the top job.

You're not wrong on your second part though. He's been told we need to look to upgrade at DC and STC. And I have it on pretty good authority that the self scout from him was not great yesterday. He more and more sees that he can't do everything and he is going to have to step back from playcalling for now. I would not be surprised if Matt, Benton, and Tanner handled a lot of playcalling for the Egg Bowl.

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**** I was hoping you would say Art would be handling the playcall

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Originally Posted by Activated Alpha

**** I was hoping you would say Art would be handling the playcall

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Well Art isn't on staff in an official capacity and doesn't live in Starkville full time. So it would be kind of difficult to say the least. But make no mistake, I believe he'll be at practice for the next two weeks.