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Originally Posted by Coach34

Alot of their population growth is illegals. Millions have poured into the state. Meanwhile, the taxpayers and corporations are leaving

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Where are these "illegals" from? Are they in the room with us right now? How did Cali get a Mississippi's worth of "illegals"? It couldn't have been Mexico:

Mexico Population 2006 - 106,886,790
Mexico Population 2015 - 120,149,897
Mexico Population 2024 - 129,388,467

And Cali is losing business?

Cali GDP 2006 - $1.81 Trillion
Cali GDP 2015 - $2.47 Trillion
Cali GDP 2024 - $4.08 Trillion

Mississippi GDP 2006 - $0.088 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2015 - $0.105 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2024 - $0.139 Trillion

Almost like getting your news from Enron Musk and "No one should take us Foxing seriously" News isn't quite matching reality.

Would you like to try again?

Who pays for the illegals housing, cell phones, clothing and daily food as they simply stay in the country and breath the air?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

and now this latest fire just shines a light on their incompetence leading their people. Gonna see more people move away and it has probably ended Pretty Boy's presidential aspirations. What gross mismanagement resulting in millions of loss plus a few lives

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Banging his best friend's wife will always prevent Newsome from being President. His only hope is to be the VP after 4 years of republicans ****ing things up and then president dies. He has 0 path to the presidency otherwise.

California has rebounded from fires and will again. Meanwhile should we go look at how shitty Katrina was handled or is that too easy of a dunk? I'll pass it up because you might just quit with those stats.

Newsflash - facts don't care about your feelings. California and New York subsidize states like Mississippi. It's just how our economy works. Big cities and tech hubs make cash. If California had an earthquake sending it into the water, the US economy would crumble. If Mississippi / Louisiana / Alabama all flooded, the NFL would move the Super Bowl to Jerryworld, relocate the Saints to St. Louis, and life would chug right along.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

Who pays for the illegals housing, cell phones, clothing and daily food as they simply stay in the country and breath the air?

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California pays for "Legals" safety, access to daily food and clothing, and allowing Mississippi to breathe free. Glass houses.

nor sure about the enron musk thing you say but i betcha he gone work some federal budgets over and show what % of fed workers aren't needed. No telling what the folks who disagree will say then. Probably be like a ceo telling folks to be less divisive after a terrorist attack. will enron musk be involved in the prosecution of the jan6 committee?

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Originally Posted by Tater

California pays for "Legals" safety, access to daily food and clothing, and allowing Mississippi to breathe free. Glass houses.

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taxes

The west coast is prone to drought, wildfire, and earthquakes. LA is overpopulated and in the middle of a hornets nest of disasters.

Manhattan is sinking.

Miami floods every king tide.

Villages are moving inland in Alaska.

Memphis and Seattle sit on a massive fault line with half of downtown Memphis is a "liquefaction" zone.

New Orleans sits below sea level on the Gulf of Ameri... Mexico.

Seattle sits on a long overdue fault and has a significant tsunami risk.

This country is very young and some of the areas we built massive infrastructure in are incredibly disaster prone.

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Originally Posted by Pancho

nor sure about the enron musk thing you say but i betcha he gone work some federal budgets over and show what % of fed workers aren't needed. No telling what the folks who disagree will say then. Probably be like a ceo telling folks to be less divisive after a terrorist attack. will enron musk be involved in the prosecution of the jan6 committee?

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I wouldn't defend Enron Musk on this specific thread. The twitter stock is such an easy point to make. I used to think he was smart until he started talking openly about programming. I know programming. He's an idiot with that. I question if he's ever been actually smart at rocket science or electric cars.

Then it is beneficial for you to enjoy living in a free country. We are all entitled to our own opinions. Sound like you need to be introduced to Mr Trump because he is an outside the box thinker. He seems pretty good with his starlink technology and even has liberals asking him to provide free service for the fire ravaged areas where they saved a fish.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Where are these "illegals" from? Are they in the room with us right now? How did Cali get a Mississippi's worth of "illegals"? It couldn't have been Mexico:
Would you like to try again?

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

Here ya go Retarded Warren- from the BBC (I can get other outlets as well)



Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico.

Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.

Encounters fell at the start of 2020 as arrivals slowed because of the pandemic.

The number of encounters is not a count of individuals who stay in the US as some migrants will be returned and the same person can be recorded trying to enter multiple times.

These figures don't include people who may have crossed the border undetected.

The US Department of Homeland Security has estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Where are these "illegals" from? Are they in the room with us right now? How did Cali get a Mississippi's worth of "illegals"? It couldn't have been Mexico:

Mexico Population 2006 - 106,886,790
Mexico Population 2015 - 120,149,897
Mexico Population 2024 - 129,388,467

And Cali is losing business?

Cali GDP 2006 - $1.81 Trillion
Cali GDP 2015 - $2.47 Trillion
Cali GDP 2024 - $4.08 Trillion

Mississippi GDP 2006 - $0.088 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2015 - $0.105 Trillion
Mississippi GDP 2024 - $0.139 Trillion

Almost like getting your news from Enron Musk and "No one should take us Foxing seriously" News isn't quite matching reality.

Would you like to try again?

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Ignoring the fact that a lot of illegals are coming from countries further south than Mexico, can you not understand that it would be easily possible for Mexco to provide California with immigrants while also growing their own population? Seriously, hwo did you put up the population of Mexico and think that was a rebuttal?

It's pretty well established that California has had net negative domestic migration for a while but has made up for that with net positive international migration. That includes high skilled foreigners immigrating to silicon valley as well as low skilled illegal immigrants.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Ignoring the fact that a lot of illegals are coming from countries further south than Mexico, can you not understand that it would be easily possible for Mexco to provide California with immigrants while also growing their own population? Seriously, hwo did you put up the population of Mexico and think that was a rebuttal?

It's pretty well established that California has had net negative domestic migration for a while but has made up for that with net positive international migration. That includes high skilled foreigners immigrating to silicon valley as well as low skilled illegal immigrants.

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Not to mention silicon valley is mostly where their economic growth is coming from.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

The west coast is prone to drought, wildfire, and earthquakes. LA is overpopulated and in the middle of a hornets nest of disasters.

Manhattan is sinking.

Miami floods every king tide.

Villages are moving inland in Alaska.

Memphis and Seattle sit on a massive fault line with half of downtown Memphis is a "liquefaction" zone.

New Orleans sits below sea level on the Gulf of Ameri... Mexico.

Seattle sits on a long overdue fault and has a significant tsunami risk.

This country is very young and some of the areas we built massive infrastructure in are incredibly disaster prone.

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The wildifires are pretty different than the rest of those issues. Most of those can't really be addressed without moving. California could mitigate wildfires pretty significantly if they did forest management and if they still allowed things like reservoirs to be built.

the tree huggers would riot and tie themselves to the forest floor if such a sane idea were put into action. that is why they are so against any water retention plans as well.

I thought this was a sports site. Can any of these tree huggers or millions of illegals play OL, CB or WR and have we identified them?*****

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I thought this was a sports site. Can any of these tree huggers or millions of illegals play OL, CB or WR and have we identified them?*****

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The tree huggers are basically useless to us. We even beat them in one of their main sports, frisbee golf.

The illegals definitely have some potential. Not a good hit rate, but there's enough of them that some of the kids being brought across are definitely going to be contributors.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0jp4xqx2z3o

Here ya go Retarded Warren- from the BBC (I can get other outlets as well)



Since January 2021, when Joe Biden came to office, there have been more than 10 million encounters - about 8 million came over the southwest land border with Mexico.

Under the Trump administration, there were 2.4 million encounters on this border.

Encounters fell at the start of 2020 as arrivals slowed because of the pandemic.

The number of encounters is not a count of individuals who stay in the US as some migrants will be returned and the same person can be recorded trying to enter multiple times.

These figures don't include people who may have crossed the border undetected.

The US Department of Homeland Security has estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022.

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"These figures don't include people who may have crossed the border undetected.
The US Department of Homeland Security has estimated there were 11 million illegal migrants living in the US as of January 2022.
It says about a fifth of them arrived in 2010 or later but the majority arrived before this time, some as early as the 1980s."

Let's just step through this with some amount of thinking. Just some.


11 million Migrants.
1/5 arrived 2010 or later.
2.2 million Migrants arrived 2010 or later.
8.8 million Migrants arrived 1980-2009.
Bill Clinton was the only Democratic President from 1980 to 2009 (other than Obama's first year).

Your choice to continue making a very bad point is to try to argue a majority of them came in during Clinton's 8 years. Not a great argument but you can try to make it.

Now let's also look at the 2.2 million since 2010.
Trump had 2ish Million encounters at the borde in his presidency.
Biden had 10ish Million encounters at the border in his presidency.

Now the logical conclusions to draw here - more migrants tried to cross because of what they "thought" was a weak border under Biden. We can easily agree on that I hope.

Now I don't have the time to research the Obama 8 years with the same source as you've provided, but I'm gonna make a point here that you can't really refute. I'm going to assume Obama had "0" encounters and just failed to protect the border at all.

Assuming that ALL 11 million migrants came in only under democratic presidencies:
Clinton - 1.1 million / year
Obama+Biden - 0.18 million / year

Or if you think Obama was perfect and Trump was perfect
Biden - 0.55 million / year

Also - "An attempt to pass a cross-party bill to tighten border security failed in May 2024, with Harris saying that Trump "tanked it".
Biden issued an executive order the following month to quickly deport migrants at the border.
This means migrants can be sent back without having their asylum claims processed, if the average number of weekly encounters exceeded a certain threshold."

This was a smart political play by Trump and a huge problem with American politics. Similar things happened in 2020 in reverse, but the challenging party has no incentive to allow the incumbent party to pass partisan legislation in an election year. In fact they are better off blocking it. Our government setup is shitty in this regard.


Now to leave you with a thought. I just gave you stats for worst case scenarios for Dems based on your assessments. Do you really believe that a presidency that Quadrupled the number of migrants stopped at the border was worse at border control than? Really? This guy that stopped 10 million has less control of the border than the guy who stopped 2.5 million? Which one of them is preaching about too many government workers and bloat?

Do you get the picture yet?

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Originally Posted by Tater

Banging his best friend's wife will always prevent Newsome from being President. His only hope is to be the VP after 4 years of republicans ****ing things up and then president dies. He has 0 path to the presidency otherwise.

California has rebounded from fires and will again. Meanwhile should we go look at how shitty Katrina was handled or is that too easy of a dunk? I'll pass it up because you might just quit with those stats.

Newsflash - facts don't care about your feelings. California and New York subsidize states like Mississippi. It's just how our economy works. Big cities and tech hubs make cash. If California had an earthquake sending it into the water, the US economy would crumble. If Mississippi / Louisiana / Alabama all flooded, the NFL would move the Super Bowl to Jerryworld, relocate the Saints to St. Louis, and life would chug right along.

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Let's visit this ....
1. California passed a multi-BILLION dollar bond in 2014 for the purpose of water resevoirs. They have yet to build anything and cannot account for the money.
2. Lousianna - I remember seeing that Mayor on American Greed, for all his corruption. He was the most vocal about how things were handled. And in regard to how Katrina was handled.....again , like California, if you remember, they diverted funds that were intended for levee maintenance and repair and funneled it elsewhere. To say "how it was handled" , yes indeed look at the screw ups prior to it.

3. Western NC - FEMA says no money left to help, and they have been very slow in relief. FEMA directors told workers to ignore areas with Trump signs. Pathetic.
4. TX is where Cali and NY companies are moving to. I wonder why?
5. California population is falling. In the next Electoral voting realignment for states, California would drop and Florida and TX would increase.......unless.....somehow a ton of citizens are legalized or at least counted in the population calcs. There is your answer.


There is a common theme, and I feel like you might be too much on one side to see it.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Ignoring the fact that a lot of illegals are coming from countries further south than Mexico, can you not understand that it would be easily possible for Mexco to provide California with immigrants while also growing their own population? Seriously, hwo did you put up the population of Mexico and think that was a rebuttal?

It's pretty well established that California has had net negative domestic migration for a while but has made up for that with net positive international migration. That includes high skilled foreigners immigrating to silicon valley as well as low skilled illegal immigrants.

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Calm down francis. I'm talking to people who put up the stock price on X date and Y date and point to that as proof. Sometimes you gotta slow roll dumb people with small statistics to build them up slowly in these convos.

Come back in 4 pages or so and they'll maybe be caught up to where you are and then I can address all of you at once. Yea I agree that one statistic isn't great method of arguing, but if I start talking about demographic % statistics, GDP growth % by county, etc - I'm just gonna lose them. Know your audience. This isn't a thread for people with half a functioning brain yet.

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