Excitement Level for Football on a 1-10?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

What's the point in being mediocre at everything? Id rather suck at one sport and be elite in another. Baseball is the only one that we have that potential in. Football we will NEVER be able to compete with the elite, never. Our history should make that clear

Your football only. Great, you have the right to be. But don't pretend like there's some rational reason you prefer to barely be relevant in football once a decade vs winning 10 nattys in another sport. It's just your personal preference because football is what you care about

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Well then let?s just cancel football and try to be elite at mens and womens golf, tennis, soccer too. Lets tell the Sec we arent interested in football and we want to be the Gonzaga of the southeast, except in a sport that doesnt make money and where 10 percent of people care about.

Heres the kicker, if we dont put an effort into football going forward then we will get left out when there is the next conference restructuring. And then youre precious baseball program will be left with a schedule full of Tulane, Troy, MdTN, and USM on those spring weekends. Good luck selling that?with no TV contract as well.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Well then let?s just cancel football and try to be elite at mens and womens golf, tennis, soccer too. Lets tell the Sec we arent interested in football and we want to be the Gonzaga of the southeast, except in a sport that doesnt make money and where 10 percent of people care about.

Heres the kicker, if we dont put an effort into football going forward then we will get left out when there is the next conference restructuring. And then youre precious baseball program will be left with a schedule full of Tulane, Troy, MdTN, and USM on those spring weekends. Good luck selling that?with no TV contract as well.

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I agree not all sports are equal. Football is #1 and it's not close. But we don't have the option of being elite in Football no matter what we do.

Id rather go 7-5 in football and be elite in some other sport (baseball) vs going 8-4 but being mediocre/sub par in all others. Because football has so many resources being dumped into it by other schools to get 1 more win takes a level of commitment that could have been used to make baseball elite. That's the scale of the coaching salaries and NIL difference. Id rather win a natty In something else vs watching 1 more win on a mediocre football team.

It's all personal preferences. Ultimately we don't make the decisions either way

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

I agree not all sports are equal. Football is #1 and it's not close. But we don't have the option of being elite in Football no matter what we do.

Id rather go 7-5 in football and be elite in some other sport (baseball) vs going 8-4 but being mediocre/sub par in all others. Because football has so many resources being dumped into it by other schools to get 1 more win takes a level of commitment that could have been used to make baseball elite. That's the scale of the coaching salaries and NIL difference. Id rather win a natty In something else vs watching 1 more win on a mediocre football team.

It's all personal preferences. Ultimately we don't make the decisions either way

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Where is the formula you used to show we would only improve 1 win based on a certain dollar amount increase?

And going 9-3 or 8-4 in football in this current conference is more valuable to the university than any baseball championship.

I havent even watched SEC media days. First time since its beginning I've missed it

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Originally Posted by msugolf

Where is the formula you used to show we would only improve 1 win based on a certain dollar amount increase?

And going 9-3 or 8-4 in football in this current conference is more valuable to the university than any baseball championship.

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No formula, I'm just looking at how much investment is going to these programs. Like baseball coaching staffs make 1/5th what the football staff does, the NIL seems to be similar. There are individual football players who are likely making more NIL than our baseball team combined.

Say UGA out spends us on football at a 2:1 rate. We could cancel our baseball program, put all that money into football, and they'd still outspend us 2:1.3 or whatever. We might leap Arkansas and get 1 more win a year, but we would not be nationally relevant

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Yes. We should ban the LFL and suck in baseball and dedicate those resources to football so they can go from averaging 7-5 season to averaging 8-4.

Id rather be elite in something and suck at other sports than mediocre in everything

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The problem is that we don’t have to be an 8-4 football team. We can be better. They are doing it right up the road. The problem is we have a loser fanbase that would rather be good in something that no one else gives a sh*t about than actually put forth the effort to do what our rival is doing in a sport that matters. Loser mentality.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

No formula, I'm just looking at how much investment is going to these programs. Like baseball coaching staffs make 1/5th what the football staff does, the NIL seems to be similar. There are individual football players who are likely making more NIL than our baseball team combined.

Say UGA out spends us on football at a 2:1 rate. We could cancel our baseball program, put all that money into football, and they'd still outspend us 2:1.3 or whatever. We might leap Arkansas and get 1 more win a year, but we would not be nationally relevant

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If Missouri and Ole Miss can get to where they are in football, so can we. This is all just a bunch of bullsh*t excuses. There are 13 baseball threads on the front page of this board 5 weeks before football season. That is the BS mindset of our fanbase. No other fanbase in this conference thinks this way. We pride ourselves on being slightly above average in a sport that no one else gives a sh*t about. Meanwhile our rival with a very similar athletic budget is gearing up to go to the playoffs after making 2 NY 6 bowls in the past 3 years.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I havent even watched SEC media days. First time since its beginning I've missed it

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Me either. I'm not apathetic per sey, but have zero expections.

As far as CFB, maybe an 8. I'm always into it. As far as SEC, also an 8. I'm going to enjoy watching OU turn into Arky over the next few years while Texas turns into TAMUtwo. Always hyped, then October sets in, and they wonder why just having an offense doesn't make the cut in the SEC.

As far as we go, somewhere around 3-4. I'm interested, just not excited. With. That. Said.... we tend to overachiever when nobody thinks we're gonna do anything. So, I have that in the bak of my mind. If that plays out, I'll be plenty excited when I see it coming. Similarly, when UMiss has high expectations, they tend to crash and burn relative to said expectations. So, I'm looking forward to that. I'm talking about media and others by the way. The Rebs themselves seem perplexed they're not considered to be a contender in August every year.

All of this lack of excitement will go away if we made the right hire. Even the Mississippi people who don't like NIL are excited.
Get it right at the top and things will fall into place.

And I think we did. There will be a learning curve, but I think we got it right.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

If Missouri and Ole Miss can get to where they are in football, so can we. This is all just a bunch of bullsh*t excuses. There are 13 baseball threads on the front page of this board 5 weeks before football season. That is the BS mindset of our fanbase. No other fanbase in this conference thinks this way. We pride ourselves on being slightly above average in a sport that no one else gives a sh*t about. Meanwhile our rival with a very similar athletic budget is gearing up to go to the playoffs after making 2 NY 6 bowls in the past 3 years.

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OM spends way more than we do. In a world where every player and coach is a free agent from one year to the next, $$$ is king.

Now to be clear, if we somehow had way more money (say a rich booster decided to get involved, or Briles has a great year and the fanbase money rolls in) then my current view would need to be reevaluated. All I'm saying is that with our CURRENT money, we won't compete.

Mizzou is an outlier of success. Made a good hire who has slowly built them up the right way and gained fanbase support... but even then, they just had a donor give the athletic department $62m (12m for NIL). Their athletic budget is also well above ours at $142m... again, money matters

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Originally Posted by Jarius

The problem is that we don’t have to be an 8-4 football team. We can be better. They are doing it right up the road. The problem is we have a loser fanbase that would rather be good in something that no one else gives a sh*t about than actually put forth the effort to do what our rival is doing in a sport that matters. Loser mentality.

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Ole miss has an athletic budget 30m more then us and appears to spend more on overall NIL. They concentrate that NIL on football, thus losing 2 really good baseball players to TN and guaranteeing they suck next year.

I could live with destroying baseball in order to preserve a 10+ win team like OM did. But we don't have that choice, we'd be destroying baseball to improve a 7-5 team to 8-4.

Now, if you want to say State fans need to but up and donate more, ok. I'm just talking about allocation of our current funds

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Ole miss has an athletic budget 30m more then us and appears to spend more on overall NIL. They concentrate that NIL on football, thus losing 2 really good baseball players to TN and guaranteeing they suck next year.

I could live with destroying baseball in order to preserve a 10+ win team like OM did. But we don't have that choice, we'd be destroying baseball to improve a 7-5 team to 8-4.

Now, if you want to say State fans need to but up and donate more, ok. I'm just talking about allocation of our current funds

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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If we had a fanbase that gave what they could realistically give we would be in Ole Miss’ position in a year or 2, provided we made the right hire. They have a higher budget because they care more, not because they have more money to give. Killing baseball for their current run is exactly the right move. The problem is our fans would largely rather be good in baseball.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

OM spends way more than we do. In a world where every player and coach is a free agent from one year to the next, $$$ is king.

Now to be clear, if we somehow had way more money (say a rich booster decided to get involved, or Briles has a great year and the fanbase money rolls in) then my current view would need to be reevaluated. All I'm saying is that with our CURRENT money, we won't compete.

Mizzou is an outlier of success. Made a good hire who has slowly built them up the right way and gained fanbase support... but even then, they just had a donor give the athletic department $62m (12m for NIL). Their athletic budget is also well above ours at $142m... again, money matters

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Briles??????

Probably a banning offense to post this, but here I go. I couldn't find the 2023 results, but in 2022, the top revenue producing sports in college sports were #1 Football (far & away), #2 Men's Basketball, #3 Hockey & #4 Baseball. I bet most college sports fans can't tell you who won the last couple or most recent baseball championship as most here or anywhere can't tell you who won the last college hockey championship. Without competing in football, win or lose in the SEC, we will drop to USM level or worse in the changing college sorts landscape. BTW, only football & MBB finish in the black at the vast majority of schools and FB pays the bills for most all the other sports.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Probably a banning offense to post this, but here I go. I couldn't find the 2023 results, but in 2022, the top revenue producing sports in college sports were #1 Football (far & away), #2 Men's Basketball, #3 Hockey & #4 Baseball. I bet most college sports fans can't tell you who won the last couple or most recent baseball championship as most here or anywhere can't tell you who won the last college hockey championship. Without competing in football, win or lose in the SEC, we will drop to USM level or worse in the changing college sorts landscape. BTW, only football & MBB finish in the black at the vast majority of schools and FB pays the bills for most all the other sports.

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And being really good in football helps the budget for the Olympic sports. If football is good it is good for everyone else, which is why you should go all in on that.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Briles??????

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Oh Jesus what a brain slip. Like 2 days ago I was explaining the situation to my wife and so the 2 names were close in my head, then I went full retard and mixed them up

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If we had a fanbase that gave what they could realistically give we would be in Ole Miss’ position in a year or 2, provided we made the right hire. They have a higher budget because they care more, not because they have more money to give. Killing baseball for their current run is exactly the right move. The problem is our fans would largely rather be good in baseball.

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Ok I think we have it hammered out. You're saying our fanbase sucks because it would rather not donate $$$, but focus on small sports and conceded football. You wish we would donate more, AND cut funding for small sports so we can be competitive in football.

I on the other hand am saying that with current donation levels, we cannot compete in football regardless so we might as well focus on a sport we can. But if the fanbase did donate more, I'd be willing to prioritize football.

We both agree we do not have current funding levels for a proper competitive football team and to do so would require more NIL donations

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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You might be in the minority here but not overall. There is a lot of movement and progress with our basketball NIL right now and a lot of influential people are leading the way. It is ahead of baseball

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I am in the very small minority where I wish we put more focus on basketball. It is going to be nearly impossible to compete with how NIL and the portal are combined with the limited amount of donations we get. Basketball is an area though we can put a lot of that focus and still be nationally relevant and be in a position to make noise in March madness. While it might not be as big as football it gets 100 times more national attention than baseball. We ruined our ability to surpass Ole Miss when they were on probation and we didn’t hire Kyle Whittingham when he was interested in our job. Had we just done that our program would be in an entirely different state right now and we would be up there with ole Miss competing at the top of the SEC instead of being near Vandy level now. People didn’t do their easy homework in just researching what a fraud Moorhead was and that has still impacted us to this day

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Investing in men’s basketball is very smart and we have done that very well. We waste a ton of money on women’s basketball and that should change dramatically. We need every ounce of budget we have and losing the type of money we do on women’s basketball costs us in football and men’s basketball. If we cut the amount of losses in revenue in half for women’s basketball over the past decade we would have been able to fund about a big chunk of the south end zone enclosure that needs to happen without asking a donor for a dime.