We won't fire Lemonis, and we shouldn't, but I wish he would just leave

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Lemonis is 5 years in and has lost the majority of the players he recruited here (poor recruiting). We have little talent next year. Those coaching changes didn't do that. The rest is on target.

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When you have most of your commitments being made 3-4 years out, which also means you are scouting kids and building relationships 4-5 years out - yes it did impact '22 and '23. Not to mention that they were also impacted by COVID - which stopped real scouting for a year in '20. But, we really had something of a perfect storm that developed. Coaching turnover, COVID, and I think keeping a huge COVID roster in '21. Keeping 24 pitchers helped us win a title - but it retarded our player development noticeably. So even going into '22 we had little experience beyond Sims, Presto and Fristoe. Then the injuries started and it was game over. No doubt some of that is on Lemonis - which why we keep having this conversation.

And yeah, a lot of those kids are gone because they either weren't good or didn't work out. Cohen did the same thing after '14 and '15.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

When you have most of your commitments being made 3-4 years out, which also means you are scouting kids and building relationships 4-5 years out - yes it did impact '22 and '23. Not to mention that they were also impacted by COVID - which stopped real scouting for a year in '20. But, we really had something of a perfect storm that developed. Coaching turnover, COVID, and I think keeping a huge COVID roster in '21. Keeping 24 pitchers helped us win a title - but it retarded our player development noticeably. So even going into '22 we had little experience beyond Sims, Presto and Fristoe. Then the injuries started and it was game over. No doubt some of that is on Lemonis - which why we keep having this conversation.

And yeah, a lot of those kids are gone because they either weren't good or didn't work out. Cohen did the same thing after '14 and '15.

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That's not really the case anymore except instate. And if he can't fill a roster after winning a natty, when can he? He openly admitted they got lazy. That's 100% the problem outside a handful of injuries. But, we've passed the point for firing and now we need him to figure out recruiting.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We had people wanting to fire him this year after back to back tourney appearances with one combined shooter in two years.

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We sure did, and it was idiotic.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Nope. I don't imagine he'll be around much longer than next March. He's very frustrated with a lot right now. Most of it stems from his hatred of how Cohen ran the athletic dept. We're still trying to fix things he screwed up. This is paraphrasing, but he was putting as much as he could into baseball while skimming the rest of the programs and telling them we had no money.

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Cohen is gone, we are fixing things he did... yet he wants out and will be gone by next March? Sounds like it's deeper than Cohen.

Does anyone seriously disagree at this point? Didn't think so.