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Priceless!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
You don't understand what whataboutism is. If whataboutism includes pointing out alternatives, then it's worthless as a concept. It is not whataboutism to point out that lots of people with access to the same information came to the same conclusion. It is a circumstantial defense against a claim that a person used poor judgment or logic or was a knowing bad actor.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Pointing out at that Obama handled the swine flu poorly is whataboutism (although sort of a weak form of it; if you are judging a president's performance, it is normal to compare to how other presidents handled similar situations). Pointing out that the Obama administration didn't restock the N95 stockpile isn't whataboutism; it's relevant to how prepared we were. Pointing out that Obama lied about getting to keep your plan would be what aboutism. Pointing out that Pelosi is holed up in her mansion with $13 per pint ice cream is whataboutism. Pointing out that Biden is maybe suffering from dementia is not really whataboutism if you are talking about in the context of the 2020 election. IT's relevant whether he could have done better.
Have you even *tried* imagining it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Ever imagined what it would be like to cut your foot off with a chainsaw?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
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Originally Posted by MadDawg
LOL ... Nice!
Would it have been better if Dems were in control? Check out this tweet (collage of Dem leaders on corona)...
https://twitter.com/steph93065/statu...634804736?s=21
Lifted from sps (drebin)
Rep Given!Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
This. You can always find something to rebutt what was posted in these video clips. Why? Because Democrats have been talking out of both sides of their mouths since this began to cover their asses. They are no better or worse than Republicans or our President. Every...single...person..in politics is leveraging this virus for political and personal gain. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Could you not do this exact thing with republicans? Hell, you could do it with just Trump and I'm sure somebody has. What's the point of posting this aside from more divisiveness?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Didn't take long to find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezEbDx4B9A
So everyone missed it? Only trump gets blame thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Trump gets the blame because he has done nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
One President, faced with a horrible choice, said " The Buck stops here"....
Making the tough decision is the ****ing job....
Trump said "I take no responsibility"
He should have been removed from office right then.
I think that's the whole point of the post...Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
You have a large section of the media ONLY showing the clips that you posted and holding up the other side of this as the "good guys" while never showing those other clips. On the other side, your channels like Fox News show the clips of democrat leaders doing the same thing and they are villified as a biased news outlet. This is pure manipulation and there is no way that the media (in general) is not complicit. This happens to be an ethical violation.
Explain how he has done nothing. I'm interested in this take.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
He's the damn president. You blamed Moorhead when he was in charge of our football program, didn't you? Or did you look for GAs to put it on?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
I posted the link to the NYDH, with the historical deaths, vs what has been seen since covid.
All NYC is doing is what Italy and Spain did. the overall death rates are dramatically increased since the virus started. Occam's Razor says that's due to the virus.
But, since we still cannot test everyone, they are not going to waste a test on a dead person.
Fair enough, but congress, majors, and governors are not GAs. Governors and mayors esp have power, and they should shoulder blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Posting this againQuote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
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So if we come through this with less than the 100-240k fauci (expert) predicted, trump did a good job, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Moorhead did not have to work with congress or the supreme court and work within the confines of the constitution. Moorhead had an easier job!Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Media says Trump didn't lock states down soon enough, so he's to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
Trump says he has power to unlock states, and then he's called a tyrant.
He is in a no-win situation.
It's about messaging, tone, and leadership from the top. Governors take their cue from the President, and states rely heavily on the federal government for certain types of infrastructure, especially in times such as natural disasters, pandemics, etc. For example, Tate Reeves and Ron DeSantis didn't take significant action until after Trump did the same; other Govs were more swift and preemptive in their actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm certainly not a fan of trump's messaging at times. He throws a lot of temper tantrums for sure, but I do think he's done a good jobQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
It's not just the temper tantrums. It's how he outwardly did not take this serious, and that attitude trickled down to all his sycophants, both politically, and his friends over at Fox/OANN.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/st...73987639705600
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/statu...11724913102848
Because no one thought the USA would socially distance without people repelling....Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
From the WHO report in February... https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...nal-report.pdf
Cite: See the protests this weekend...Quote:
Achieving China?s exceptional coverage with and adherence to these containment measures has only been possible due to the deep commitment of the Chinese people to collective action in the face of this common threat. At a community level this is
reflected in the remarkable solidarity of provinces and cities in support of the most vulnerable populations and communities
Much of the global community is not yet ready, in mindset and materially, to implement the measures that have been employed to contain COVID-19 in China.
This is fair. Nothing wrong with criticism for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
But people need to understand that trump cannot dictate to the state governors what they will and will not do during these times. That's where I think hacker was misguided.
There is plenty of blame to go around here as far as handling things better, from trump to Fauci to cuomo to Pelosi etc... I think part of the problem was they, especially Fauci, were relying on The Who and other medical experts who in January were saying this is nothing to be worried about and humans are not even vulnerable.
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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Not that this matters to your strawman argument, but Obama (and Biden) did deal with a disease outbreak...
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/ebola-response
Why the need to post a tweet from 7 years ago and 2 years before he decided to run for president. It's very irrelevant in context to this pandemicQuote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Promised 30 million tests by end of March.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
https://www.newsweek.com/white-house...illion-1495356
Just now have capacity for 150,000 a day
Promoted breaking social distancing, after the white house itself said we had to have 2 weeks of declining cases to begin going back to normal.
Has yet to use the federal government power to centraliaze and prioritize resources, left it up to individual states to get into a bidding war for supplies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/claryes.../#1edd9bfd1cde
And new report that the Trump administration knew there was an outbreak in 2019.... and still did nothing...Quote:
The Advanced Medical Technology Association, which represents manufacturers of ventilators and other medical devices, wrote in a March 24 letter to FEMA that companies are facing the challenge of allocating devices to the health care providers who need them the most, as well as state and local governments.
"Some of these potential purchasers should have a higher priority than others based on the acuity of patient needs in their areas," wrote Scott Whitaker, the association?s CEO. "It is difficult for manufacturers to establish these priorities."
TL;DR
No central coordination leading to:
Still not enough testing (due to lack of supplies)
Not enough PPE (lack of supplies),
Still not enough testing
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Why? His words only apply when he's not the leader?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Yea he pops off unnecessarily often.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
No expert here, but there is no shortage of ventilators or hospital beds right? Only thing it seems we need to mass produce right now is antibody tests. Are we capable of that?
Has your thoughts and opinions changed in 7 years?? Mine has On several issues. I do not think you can bring up a tweet from 7 years ago and relate it today.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
What were you doing 7 years ago?
What was your beliefs? Have your opinions changed?
Would help me understand your thoughts
It really has no basis to bring that up other than fishing for anti trump propaganda
I mean that was your right in a free country it over the last 6 weeks we live in some socialist country
We need a lot more regular tests as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
But his "leadership" is going to be touted after this as being tremendous if we get out of this with less than 100k deaths, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
So do you actually think his stance has changed on whether leaders are ultimately responsible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Or are you just blindly defending him because he's on your team?
Antibody tests only tell you if a person has had it before, not whether they're actively infected. It doesn't help you control current infections.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We need to be able to find more mild cases so we can quarantine those people before they infect others.
South Korea, Norway, Iceland, Israel, Switzerland, etc have all had success with a mass testing strategy.
If you are comparing the government type of China with the US, you are way off base! That statement in the WHO report is the exact reason of corruption charges being levied at the WHO (and in particular Tedros Adhanom, Director of WHO) today, their blatant regurgitating the mandates of the Chinese leadership. If you think the Chinese people are any more committed to ending COVID-19 than the American people or any other people for that matter, you are severely misguided! The statement in the WHO report is pure propaganda since the people of China do not have the freedoms we have in America and therefore do not get to choose if they move around or stay at home. The choice is already made for them by their communistic government leaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked
In America we protest at the drop of a hat, in China if they protest, they are putting their lives in grave danger.
Have you actually been to China, as a businessman when you arrive, after getting the required visa, you are assigned a Chinese handler, with you every step of the way, that tracks your every move. You do not move anywhere without your handler.
But if you are showing symptoms sufficient to go get tested, aren't you quarantining? The people I know who have gotten negative test results were already quarantining several days before they got results and then were told to still stay quarantined even though the results were negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I think we'd be well served to pour our efforts into antibody testing.