Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?
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Just because I'm curious what is Saban's big pitch and how does he come off as a great recruiter when he doesn't generally seem very personable?
This year's ranking is hurt by it being a bad year in Mississippi for "stars." We have some solid guys in State and did not miss on many, Xavier Hill being the worst miss. We have two solid out of state guys and have built relationships in state.
We need to increase our recruiting budget to make it competitive. We should be able to get some really good guys out of Louisiana as LSU is only generally interested in the to 10 - 12 and there is a lot of talent below those guys. Alabama is tougher, but there are usually a couple of guys that slip through the cracks - those that are dead set on playing for Bama but for whom there is not room. Then we HAVE to get into Georgia. There is so much talent there. The top 100 guys are all P5 players.
I am not a Joe fan, but he is working well on the recruiting trail given our athletic department's limitations.
A hand plus one full of national title ringsQuote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Even my backups make it to the NFL, plus all those rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
That's what I expected, I just didn't know if there was anything more to it than selling the success itself.
The reality is that about 8 programs have a monopoly on college football recruiting. Whether it's rings, paying players, NFL, etc, just make up an excuse for whatever day it is, you can't build a program to beat those 8 teams in recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Clemson has come the closest, but they've got some unique circumstances that have allowed them to do it.
Clemson is a program that was built by cheating. No one really cared because the ACC, in general, did not care about football. It was just a basketball conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I agree with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
Please explainQuote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
So what would you say Mullen's class recruiting ranking would be right now if he were still here?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Who cares? He's not so why speculate other than to argue?
+-3-4 spotsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We're 20th right now as I post this. You really think that Dan would have us at 16-17 on the high end right now before the All-Star Games and the inevitable re-rankings?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Or at 23-24. Dan's best class was after a 10 win season though, and had he stayed, he certainly would've won 10 last season. He didn't though. This is all hypothetical, but what isn't hypothetical is that joe hasn't raised our recruiting rankings so farQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Our ranking right now would be the second highest rated class in Dan Mullen's tenure. I think when it's all said and done it will be in the top 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
There is more to it than rankings though. Dan was terrible at roster management. See our DT's this year. If you have the number 25 class that has the positions evenly distributed that's better than the number 25 class with one offensive lineman in it, three small slot type receivers, and most of the higher rated players on defense. Same as Ole Miss having a top 15 or even top 10 class but with 6-7 four star WR's a couple of random four star guys that have no shot at qualifying and very little defensive talent. And yet their fans wonder how they finish 5-7 every year.
The only unpredictable thing about our class currently is if the jackwagons at 24/7 sports will actually re-rate our recruits like Cooley, Dean, Will Rogers, and etc. like they should. I have my doubts. But hey- we're going off of "experts" who have as much football experience as the average poster on here.
Every one of those 3 you mentioned should be 4 stars. But I'm with you. I don't see a re ranking happening for all 3. Maybe 1 of them. Dean probably is the best candidate. But I don't see us getting the benefit there. People might lose their crap if we actually made a push to crack the Top 15. And we could do that with those 3 you mentioned as 4 stars and finishing pretty strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Wheat should also be a 4 star.
https://n.rivals.com/news/al-ms-game...s-1-on-1-drill
Some MSU guys in here. Harvey looked fantastic. I know he's undersized, but I could see him being a great 3rd down back type or maybe just winning some time in the slot
Harvey is not a back... he's a wr. He's a solid player. Don't think he's a game changer here though.
I would agree he’s not a “game changer” but he’s put up some stats at Starkville and he performed very very well today at the MS/AL 1-on-1 drills going up against some other MSU commits at DB. He catches everything that’s thrown at him and seems to be a solid route runner. That’s an improvement at least over what we’ve had the last several years. He’d at least catch the damn ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Whatever happened to Alex Adams? Did we back off after he de-committed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Grade risk...Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
Ah. Any chance on the juco dude committed to Memphis now that Norvell left? Or was he not a take for us anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
What's the realistic wish list right now?
I know Harvey isn't a normal back but I'm thinking as a pass-catching 3rd down back - we don't have a jitterbug type back there that can destroy a LB in the open field like the Pats constantly use James White and Dion Lewis before him. We don't have very many "make you miss types". Last one was Tubby although Ross had that ability as well.
Are we recruiting the safety from Florence AL that's transferring from Michigan?
IYOK I know you prob laying low during all the BS on here the last few weeks but any recruiting finish info from your perspective?
Any reason we are not recruiting the WR out of Starkville I know his size but he is going to be a player somewhere. Same with Brownlee
Neither are overly fast and Harvey is just too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scared_Hitless
We sure do miss out on alot of players due to so called measurables. Hope it works out for bothQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I liked Harvey on film. But the one that intrigued me in that video was Tripp Wilson. Is he a TE prospect? He didn't cut as well and not as fluid in his hips, but he had some real speed and hands.
Not sure I buy that completely. He was getting great classes at Bama before the titles started being accumulated. Heck, he had a great class even after his first year when he went 6-6 at Bama. Of course I guess maybe the one title at LSU was enough to sell recruits on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
With Warren I'm surprised Southern Miss hasn't shown more interest - I wonder if there is something else like grades that might be an issue. My take is if you're under 4.6 you're fast enough if you can run routes well. Ideally the smaller you are the faster you'd need to be but he does seem to have above average change of direction. I get why we're passing on him but I wouldn't call it a waste of a scholarship if we gave him a late offer.
Tulu didn't look as clean in his routes as most of them. I know one guy on 24/7 likes him better as a corner but I honestly haven't seen much of him.
Walley was impressive in the video for a guy that hasn't played much WR.
The ND commit at DB didn't look good at all to me
I went back and watched the all star video a couple more times.
Harvey just looks dang impressive. I know we "don't have a spot" but I think he might be that kid that we look back in a couple years and wonder why we didn't push hard and go after him.
I would like to see video of Jackson and Spencer on the OL/DL drills. We desperately need two more quality OL and at least 1-2 more DL. I would like to see those last 4 spots devoted to getting some quality depth there.
Walley looks natural at receiver, and Tulu can fly.
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Originally Posted by Westdawg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di97YrmhdyA
We will he is another Darrell Henderson, Dylan Bradley type we will regret it later sometimes game tape dont lie and if we are willing to sign projects rather it be a hometown baller. Dexter Mccluster was small at OM and he dominated size isnt everything. As fare as Jackson his 1v1 drills from today were dominant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westdawg
Walley impressed me the most. He looked way more fluid at WR than I expected. Looked good getting in and out of his cuts and tracked the ball well on deep balls. Once Tulu gets some instruction on refining his route running, he’s going to be lethal because like you said he can fly, he’s quick, and electric with the ball in his hands. I really think the WR class of Heath, Walley, Tulu, & Ducking winds up moving the needle a little more than maybe we expect when it’s said and done. I think Walley ends up being the steal of the class maybe. He’s a freak of an athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Trey Tuggle and Davion Carter. Carter reminds me a lot of Dillon Day his senior year of HS.
I would like to see more of Carter on film.
More thoughts and questions:
- where is MSU with Josaih Hayes? Really like what I saw in the film.
- not even close, McKinnley Jackson was the best looking DL in that film. Great hands, footwork, and technique. There wasn't another DL that looked on the same level as he did. I would have liked to have seen at least one solid bull rush from him just to see that he has legit power, but you can look at his frame and tell it's there. He's gained enough technique that he's overmatching any of the guys he's facing on the HS level now.
Biggest question I have regarding Jackson is are we even in his final 5? Looked up his profile and even our site guys are calling it for LSU or OM.
Tuggle did look nice in that limited video - good balance. Wonder if we'll take a 2nd look at him