Yeah.. this finish isn’t going to be what we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
2019 VERY important.
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Yeah.. this finish isn’t going to be what we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
2019 VERY important.
I think he transferred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I wish this staff would make me eat my words. Unfortunately, this close makes dan Mullen look like urban MeyerQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
So who y?all think we finish with?
Depends on year, and if Mullen was putting in a little "relentless" effort. It's also easier for Bama, and maybe some others, to say "you're next in line" on our board, than it is for us. And with the Oline recruits, it seems that's what we've been doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
ETA: At least they're going all out trying to get 'er done.
So basically we are about to lay a big stink bomb. I?ll wait to see who closes with who to fully evaluate but basically this staff wasn?t able to sell new kids when other similar or lower programs with new staffs could and that?s a huge red flag for me.
Maybe this crap works both ways... JoMo may be our best coach ever, but if he sees how difficult it is to bring recruits to Starksville*, maybe he is questioning his decision too?!?
How quickly we forgetQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Holy shit he has been here less than 2 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Let’s see what 2019 brings.
This staff won’t be worse than the Mullen and Company.
That's a Stretch Armstrong type reach right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I have heard that we have a much more aggressive and comprehensive recruiting plan that is going to be implemented than what we are used to seeing. Joe now has the complete staff in place to make it work. Give him time. I think he recruits better than we?ve ever seen. If he doesn?t we?ll know soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Im agreeing with you to Ari.
I have a short memory, so maybe so haha. I do not remember ark hitting us for 4 recruits/commits though... Alabama, sure, but not ark and the likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
You obviously forgot about the 2016 class.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You certainly know infinity more than me when it comes to recruiting, so I will take your word on it... do not remind me. Regardless though, this is shaping up to be a crash endingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
ETA... now we did close with Simmons in 2016 who is our best player. There is no way we close with a Jeffrey Simmons this year
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Originally Posted by msstate7
There is a lot more to recruiting kids than apparently you know about. It seems like you think it is the coach's fault, if we don't get a certain player. You do know it is the kid's decision, don't you? Sometimes they do have undue pressure, or maybe bad guidance, but it is the kid's decision in the end. Even their high school coaches can have an influence whether that is good or bad. So if our coaching staff is out there busting their butts on recruiting, why do you keep on and on with your criticism?
Dude... I’m the one blasting 7 & Shotgun for their constant melts at every loss or flip, but jeez. EVERYONE speaks to the impression JoMo makes when he meets you and talks to you, but yet he hasn’t brought in one new recruit, even ones that were State leans?!? If it’s not our coach’s recruiting prowess, then it’s something else. I’m sure he’s more frustrated than us. Kudos to the class he kept and hopefully Lovett is back on board!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I think it is very clear I am not happy with this close, so I will try to let it go... move on to next season. With that said, if a salesman at an auto dealership works his butt off; but in the end is not selling cars, he is not doing his job. Moorhead and staff are very early in their tenure, so I am certainly not ready to say definitively they suck at recruiting. I really hope they do well next cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Everyone seems to be middle aged men in the articles I have seen. Perhaps his power of impression is not as strong with young boysQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
I can’t read this comment without laughing. SorryQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You dirty minded hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Statecoachingblows**
That’s not accurate at all... many people including our OC were influenced early in their life.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Then you need to read some of the things his former players have said about him. He impresses EVERYONE. Young and old. He was at our high school recruiting a couple of weeks ago. My son met him and was blown away and so was the kid he was down here to see. My sons a baseball player and being recruited by some pretty good D1 baseball programs so he?s familiar with how coaches act. Normally they?re not interested in taking time with anyone other than the recruit but Joe did and didn?t get in a hurry. My son also had a run in with Saban last week. I?ll have to tell y?all that story later but Saban was an ass. All I?m saying relax a little give him a chance to make his plan work. If he fails we will have a new coach in a couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It is Kinda funny lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Statecoachingblows**
Even if we don't finish strong- it wouldn't worry me too much. Look at Hugh Freeze and how the Network finished their class after the 2011 season.
I imagine a LOT of the problem is Dan probably didn't have a large net of back up plans which our guys like Peterson and Austin could communicate to the current staff. So, what has probably happened is we're going after guys on the back up lists of whatever schools our coaches were at before.
I'm encouraged if we kept all of our Mississippi recruits- that's a great start. I like the fact that even if we miss we have a plan. I also like how we have offered the top 100 prospects in the class of 2019 across the country.
Great post and the right perspective!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Post more. Excellent sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
How the hell have you forgotten the melt of Signing Day 2016? By 10:30 am I thought we were going to have reports of Elitedawg poster suicides it was so bad. Yeah, we got Simmons, but lost AJ, Raekwon Davis, Lashley, Knott, and at least 2 other last minute bombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
1 to OM and 3 to bama. Losing kids to bama sucks, but easier to swallow than losing kids to ark. (Suck and swallow in the same sentence for statecoachingblows haha). Simmons eased some of that pain though. You are right though... that was a tough signing day
So with what I gather from the thread, Smith is going to Bama for sure?? If so, somebody put him in touch with Lashley and Knott and see if they regret their decisions. I would have to think that going through all that hard work in a football program only to ride the bench must really suck. And if you have any aspirations to make the NFL, you have to at least get on the field somewhere.
Anybody that thought Moorhead and co was just gonna come in here and mop up was fooling themselves, like I've said recruiting in the south is different than the B10. All of yall know that.
Its gonna take him and the staff some time to learn the game and how to play it, we're gonna lose some along the way but we will get some Ws too. We got what we needed this class its a solid group obviously the biggest misses being only signing 1 OL (at the moment) but we arent done yet. I will say this staff has made their committment to recruiting way more obvious than the last. The effort is there, good results usually follow great effort.
Keep Lovett and everyone will feel better
Mop up? Nobody was expecting that. Get SOMEBODY? Yea most of us were expecting that. Since mid-Dec we've lost verbals from Lovett, Mason and McDowell while receiving verbals from nobody. Also lost a few that seemed to be leaning to us initially. Like 7 said, if a salesman is out selling 20 hours a day but doesn't make any sales he's still not doing his job. I'm not going to form any permanent opinions until the 2019 class but this is an ominous start for this staff. My current big concern and the biggest red flag is that when kids take their official visits with us it doesn't seem to even be giving us a bump with them. Right now if do get Lovett back in the boat and go ahead and sign commitments Watson and Furdge that may be about all we can do. Also possibly get the OL from Starkville.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Great post! Look for this staff to get us in with some national recruits in the future. They plan hammering the best in our State but also looking at other places that we haven?t seen in the past. Look for us to get some OLs from the Midwest in the coming classes. It?s a new day for us. Just give it Time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Again, great post , Bucky!
I am less concerned with the numbers, because to some extent, there's nothing the new staff could do about it. More concerning is that they've lost head to head battles with Alabama, Tennessee, and Arkansas already in the regular signing period. (Particularly, going 0 for 3 so far against Arkansas!) One's an incident, two's a coincidence, but three's a pattern. I am hopeful that will change next year.
I get the fact we want to expand recruiting wise, and Moorheads connections up north and midwest are def the reason why but we still need to make damn sure MS, LA, AL, and GA are our top priorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Its gonna take time and I've heard nothing but good so far but we havent made those connections yet down here, havent formed relationships with coaches and kids and that is what recruiting is.
Austin, Peterson, Gibson, and Hud have to be the guys for us in MS recruiting
You?re spot on. He is gonna attack our region hard and that?s why you have seen him put together such an eclectic staff. We have guys that have had success recruiting nationally and guys that know recruiting in the South. I?ve heard some great things about his recruiting plans and what?s being put into motion. It?s a new era.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
And T-Buck and Marcus Johnson. Maybe even Baker to an extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
TBuck and Baker do a great job. I dont know anything about Johnson. I know he can coach though bc those kids at Duke play hard and are disciplinedQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Shoop was at Tenn and VandyQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Fountain has been at auburn and Georgia
Huff was at Vandy and before that Tenn state
Only 3 coaches outside of CJM don’t have some ties to the south
I will bet anyone any amount of cash you want CJM will be get better reviews by high school coaches in Mississippi than Dan did.
Well I can already attest to that. I have a close friend that works at Lafayette and he said that Moorhead was 10x cooler than Mullen ever was. He hasnt been here yet but Im looking forward to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Yes he is will and it won?t be close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold