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07-27-2023, 03:02 PM
99jc

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It was obvious that we made the wrong choice in bringing back Lemonis in May, and it's still obvious today. He's just not going to cut it at the level we aspire and deserve to be at.

you could not tell these hard headed 17ers that but it is too late for this next season.
07-27-2023, 03:04 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The national champs are in the same position- they had to pull portal pitching to remain good. It’s baseball 2023.

The MSU baseball you grew up with is dead. The entire SEC cares about baseball now. In 2020
And 2021- we were in the Top 20 in the country in recruiting and that’s good. But we were 8th in the SEC. That’s modern SEC baseball

LOL, do you think for a moment Lsu will have two straight losing seasons, no way. As far as era I watched Msu baseball should have no bearing on what is going on in today's era. You win with leaders at the top, hell 34, Msu football now has a chance every year to be pretty dang good. The excuse starts with our HC and probably the last few years with our ex-AD.
No way of God's green earth did any Msu fan see us being last with two years straight with losing records.

Time will tell who is right. I've been wrong before as many, but what I saw and what I heard is unacceptable.
07-27-2023, 03:23 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by basedog

LOL, do you think for a moment Lsu will have two straight losing seasons, no way.
No way of God's green earth did any Msu fan see us being last with two years straight with losing records.

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down
07-27-2023, 03:31 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

I will say this about Lsu, they were the most improved team overall in the Sec from start to finish. Skenes was as good as any college pitcher ever.
07-27-2023, 03:38 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

P.S. We were very poorly coached fundamentally team last year. That in itself says a whole lot.
07-27-2023, 04:26 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by basedog

P.S. We were very poorly coached fundamentally team last year. That in itself says a whole lot.

He'll counter by saying nothing but pitching matters. Seriously- that's the way they brush our mediocre offense and awful defense away. Whatever it takes to make Fox the scapegoat for everything
07-27-2023, 04:31 PM
Mjoelner34

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

No that was his buyout in May. Next years it's like $3M. Plus Parker probably has a $500k+ buyout so in the end keeping Lemo probably saves $2.5M. Throwing away a baseball season and letting the program slide back more (which hurts recruiting) over $2.5m...

Oh, I know. That was just the main excuse used for not doing what needed to be done the day after the season ended.
07-27-2023, 04:33 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We only had 1 losing season. We were 27-26 this past season.

If Holman goes to LSU and then he and Hurd get hurt and miss the entire SEC schedule- LSU will be in trouble and struggle as well. They may be able to make the NCAA's without them- as they are the best program in the country. But most SEC teams will implode losing their 2 best SEC pitchers before SEC play starts. Hell, if LSU had lost Skenes before SEC play they probably finish at best 13-17 in SEC play. Likely worse. It's a fine line when pitching goes down

You keep saying "2 best SEC pitchers" like that's what we went through.

In 22 we lost outer best arm, but Preston Johnson was our 2nd best arm.

23 who'd we lose? Loftin and Gartman?

You're just making up narrative to fit what you want
07-27-2023, 06:30 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

People were cryptic and refused to say names. Whether that's because they A) didn't want to say names and piss off the player by leaking it, B) because they were talking out of their ass and wanted to stay vague, or C) because they wanted keep that info for some other reason, I can't say

But go back and read the comments. People said we had plural massive commits. That us naysayers would "eat crow when the news drops". That we were on "big arms" with an implication we'd land one. My honest recollection is that some of them were about Hollman, could be wrong on that though. No, I'm not going to find every instance, cite names, or bother to give exact quotes. Yes, some of those comments may have been discussing Burns or another guy we also didnt land. There's 50 pages of comments you can go through if you want to know details.

To be honest this whole thing has exhausted me. I'm watching State Baseball fall apart and have had to argue over the very basics of our situation with people who ignore my points and come up with convoluted arguments to pretend all is well. I'm over it. We will suck next year as everyone with a brain can see, lemo will get fired, the program will be in a bad spot, and the same people who are saying well be good next year will flip to saying they always knew we'd suck. And I'll be here to call them out. But today there's no point

Ok. I just didn't see anybody talk about Holman that way. Montgomery? Yes. But that's it that I've seen.

But now that you're on record that we will suck next year, what do you mean by suck? Miss a regional? A three seed?
07-27-2023, 06:44 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Ok. I just didn't see anybody talk about Holman that way. Montgomery? Yes. But that's it that I've seen.

But now that you're on record that we will suck next year, what do you mean by suck? Miss a regional? A three seed?

3 seed/barely a 2 seed. Parker will improve some arms, but the lineup won't be better and the staff will still be really bad overall. No starters to chew innings = bullpen gets weak really quick

I think one thing to keep in mind is that we will probably be WORSE in '25 than we will be in '24. So if Lemo can only get us to a 2 seed that fails to make a Super, then what's that say about '25?
07-27-2023, 06:52 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

3 seed/barely a 2 seed. Parker will improve some arms, but the lineup won't be better and the staff will still be really bad overall. No starters to chew innings = bullpen gets weak really quick

I think one thing to keep in mind is that we will probably be WORSE in '25 than we will be in '24. So if Lemo can only get us to a 2 seed that fails to make a Super, then what's that say about '25?

Don't know. Too far away. But saying a 2 seed sucks is a little extreme.
07-27-2023, 07:02 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Don't know. Too far away. But saying a 2 seed sucks is a little extreme.

There's a difference between being a 2 seed in the host conversation (ie 17th) vs being "barely a 2 seed" like I said (ie 32nd)

Realize we have top 10 baseball history, top 5 fanbase, probably have a top 10-12 roster per the past 3 recruiting classes, have a top 15 NIL, The best stadium, and a ton of recent success from 3 coaches before Lemo took over and even Lemo himself at the beginning. We CAN have success here and no, I won't call being the 32nd best team ok when that's a vast underperformance of where we should be.

If we aren't squarely in the 2 seed discussion (ie top 25ish resume) then why would we ever expect him to get us back to the national seed conversation? I'm not demanding the giy win Natty every other year like an LSU fan, I'm demanding he put a top 16-20 product on the field with the top 10 resources he has to work with.
07-27-2023, 07:07 PM
Cooterpoot

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07-27-2023, 07:07 PM
BigDawg81

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/st...14861568155649
07-27-2023, 07:21 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

https://twitter.com/KendallRogers/st...14861568155649
07-27-2023, 07:26 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

Lsu wins the Natty, gets top players in the portal to fill in for who leaves.

State wins the Natty, we get nobody but Yeager, finish last. But THEN what do we do?? Still bring in nobody on the mound, amd finish 13th. But after that, what do we do?? Get a Saturday/Sunday starter from Miami. That's it for the mound.

Lemo needs to go. "OH ThaTs unFaIr You can't COmparE us To TheM!!!!!!!!" OK. Fine. I'll compare us to a 13th placed team, us from last year.

We lose our best hitter in Led, our 3rd best hitter in Clark, our only decent starter in Cade, and out only reliever with a ERA under 4 in SEC games in Nixon. We've replaced Cade via the Miami guy. We also upgraded 3B, that's nice.

Does that sound like enough to catapult the 13th best team into the level of play we know State should play at? We will be better from giys getting older alone but Lemo ain't it Chief
07-27-2023, 07:34 PM
Cooterpoot

Lemonis has struggled to sign P5 portal guys (and pitchers in general) Maybe Braden will be his big breakthrough. But we can end the "he's a great recruiter " talk. Lemonis should've been fired but we gonna drag this wagon til every damn wheel falls off.
07-27-2023, 07:35 PM
BigDawg81

Apparently, Lemonis is still after other portal pitchers. I bet they have ERA north of 5.00
07-27-2023, 07:41 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Apparently, Lemonis is still after other portal pitchers. I bet they have ERA north of 5.00

Over 6. He sat on his ass waiting on Holman and got nothing.
07-27-2023, 07:43 PM
bigbub50

Montgomery is going to be a tougher pull now. I?m preparing myself for that disappointment as well.

I?m still not doom and gloom on this team next year though. If Parker brings some magic pitching dust, we could still finish in the middle of the sec pack and make a regional. Maybe it?s my maroon glasses, but I still think this team without Montgomery can make tourney.

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