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Joe and his staff actually closed Brule. He didn’t decomit from UGA till end of December.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We signed the 2 other LB with Johnson and Watson who Joe held on to.
Purvis last year who may grow into LB
And now he has commits from Groce and Wheat..
That’s 6 possible LBs on the rooster under Joe when the 2020 season starts . With Errol and Gay possible still here
Is Jett Johnson ever going to factor in or is he even still around? Seemed like he was someone everyone was high on and just vanished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Tutor gate... we will seeQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I agree on a Brule. I don?t see Jett (Mullen) as an adequate option. Purvis is a safety, would suck to move him. Watson (Mullen) has ability, just needs some time. So, Joe brought in Brule and Groce. Gay leaving is about 75%. Take Gay and Purvis out and you?ve got a very thin group, with very limited talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
We needed to hit on a LB or two this year.
I am so depressed after reading the last three pages on this thread.
Gloom despair and agony on me.
I like this class overall. We got some got players. It’s not going to be great from a ranking perspective (about normal), and for a down year in state, it’s a solid class. Missed at LB so far but not much else.
So this is Joe’s 2nd full year at recruiting and he is has 2LBs this year , possible 1 with Purvis las year, kept 2 of Mullen’s guys and closed Brule who is contributing this year..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
That’s my point at the beginning of all of this , outside of Willie and Errol where are the upperclass LB.. there are none, the backup is a redshirt freshman in Brule and Tim Washington a 5th SR that has basically done nothing
That’s on Mullen and his staff.
Just like the lack of upperclass DL and RB..,
Not only is Joe having to try and recruit better players , he is having to also recruit the mismanagement of the roster
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Originally Posted by Percho
Groce has a really good offer sheet. And some of our commits are underrated and the juco guys are very underrated.. and they are college impact ready next year
At least Lawson, Heath, Wheat and Davis are..
I’m not disagreeing about the roster. Mullen quit after 2015. My only big complaint is the LB position this round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
You have to be impressed with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Deep Dark Depression, Excessive MiseryQuote:
Originally Posted by Percho
If not for Bad Luck, I'd have no luck at all! Whoooooaaaa!
Tyrus Wheat is going to be an NFL draft pick. He’s a freak and will be an immediate impact JUCO guy. He’s a 4 star talent. Just go watch his film.
Groce has a good “offer list”, but there is a huge difference in committable offers and reported offers. He’s a P5 guy but he is slow and not very versatile, but like many have said, good 4th option, low ceiling, high floor.
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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Agreed.
Was committed to Nebraska and Even if you take away the instate offers still has over a half dozen P5 offers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeviousDawg
Bottom line is no one has any idea how this kid will pan out ..
Let?s Just welcome the kid to the Fam...
I wish we could find a 3rd LB and a juco WR, along with a DL and OL.
I think our fans would feel a little bit better about LB if we had some of the Tutor Gate guys available to play. Especially since our fans are so black and white with everything. If they don't see it they don't believe it. And even then they don't believe it half the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
That's really the biggest improvement. I'm not worried about the "Average star per player" stuff because what has caused our holes is simply not recruiting to a position group for a year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Joe is going to need them to be if he stays next year. And he's going to need to get some of our potential early entry guys to stay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
It wouldn't be the first time JUCO's saved a MSU coach.
Given the lack of new names I'm wondering if we've had contact with some potential grad transfers at OLB.
I don't see why we would? Errol is likely to return or at least he should. (I know- Bear Wilson) Worst case scenario is Wheat, Brule, and Nathan Watson. We really don't know what we have with Jett Johnson yet because of Tutor Gate but I would imagine that he is probably a pretty solid player. And of course there is a chance that Gay and Errol return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Our staff will probably wait and see who all goes pro and then make adjustments to the recruiting class at that point. Like if Hill goes pro I could see us possibly going after a JUCO back and then if Errol and Gay both go pro maybe then we go after a JUCO or a grad transfer there.
Really if anything we need a grad transfer at safety more than anything at this point.
Isn't Wheat an ILB and is Johnson. I could see a grad transfer at both spots potentially. OLB might be depending on what Gay does
Heath wasn't even the best wr on Co-lin. He caught 33 passes --FYI the kind from West Point at Scooba was offensive player of the year in JUCO caught 70 something passes for over 1000 yards--why not recruit HIM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Brownlee is a solid player but it's the system. They have a WR with big #'s every year. He's not a better WR than Drummond last year. He's a better athlete.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
yep--they had Bester that we said was a system player we passed he went to Oklahoma and had a nice career while we had below SEC wrs. Why do you think Heath will be any better that Guidry? or do you think that? You would think that if you are the #1 wr in Juco you would catch more than 30 passes and 3 tds.
i watched every game Scooba Played and Brownlee caught the ball-can't remember a drop. he beat the best DBs in Juco.
System or not if you are the best Offensive player in JUCO --we need to sign Him. Or better yet how about run that system--You know it works pretty dam well for EMCC.
We'll still have one of if not the worst WR groups in the conference next year. Heath and the freshman won't change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Who’s to say he won’t be?Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
He was highly rated out of high school
He had offers from numerous for P5 schools out of high school and still has big time schools that would take him today ( fla included)
So our fans complain when we don’t recruit highly rated WR and now they complaining when have a highly rated WR committed.
Well adding 2 4 star guys in Heath and Tulu won’t hurt..Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
So we have no where to go but up..
I just think we're putting all our eggs in one basket. We don't seem to be on any other receivers so I guess the staff is fine with what they have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
And several people who have seen Heath play (that don't work for a fan site) have said that he isn't a player you have to game plan for if you're a DCoord.
That doesn't bode well for next year since I think we'll take a step back in the running game without Hill.
Well if all of our eggs consists of getting the number 1 Juco WR in the country and the top ranked WR in the state I will take it .. Its is a HUGE improvement from past seasons..Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Only so many spots to give with a lot more holes to fill.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Bester caught 3 passes his 1st year at Oklahoma. His Sr year was worse than Guidry's Sr year, which you don't think is too impressive. I do think Malik is more talented than Guidry. We'll see if he's better. He will have 1 advantage in that he won't be asked to be the #1 WR next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Best DB's in Juco? Currently MS is home to 1 of the Top 10 Juco CB & 3 of the top 10 Juco Safeties. He's not facing great lockdown CB's. This is no disrespect to Jason but his offer list is Charlotte, Liberty, ULM, UMASS, S Alabama, USM, & W KY. All we hear all the time is raising the talent level & getting SEC caliber guys.
So we should run the Mike Leach offense? That's pretty much the EMCC offebse.
he might Be the #1 JUCO wr in the country but he isn't the best WR on his team. Just like Guidry was the third wr on his JUCO team. I know they look like Tarzan but they are playing like Jane. Heath scored 3 Tds--does that look like the #1 JUCO wideout? Heath's highschool team also sucked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
If we were choosing up to play some sandlot football --I would take Brownlee and You can have Heath--and I believe I would win. But --you know it could be the system.
I would think Leach's offense or Scooba's would be much better that what Joe has thrown out so far. I'll bet that Bester didn't lead the league in dropped passes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
If we took a Poll of State fans.-I'll bet Leach's Offense would beat Jomo's by a large margin.. Just asking--you would vote for the Jomo check with me--offense??
I'm asking because I don't know when did Guidry lead the league in drops? Could you link it for me. Man if Guidry does/did lead the league in drop passes & still outproduced Bester how does that help your argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
No I don't want to run the Mike Leach offense. I don't think it would be successful at MSU. Joe offense struggling & Leach offense not being a good fit for MSU are 2 separate arguments.
Bester caught 6 passes and one for a TD against Bama in the Sugar Bowl which Bama Lost--hope Guidry can do that good Sat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
And why would Leach's offense not work at State--it has worked every where else. You would be in the minority in choosing Leach or Jomo's offense.
So a quarter of his catches came in 1 game? Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I never said what offense I'd pick. I said I didn't think it would work at MSU.
It's funny you've gone from we should offer Brownlee to Bester was good to Bester was better than Guidry to Bester had 1 good game against Bama to we should run EMCC offense to Leach offense better than Joe's. All because I didn't think we should off Brownlee.
Yes, let’s trade our WR commit who’s got SEC offers for a WR with a Liberty and CSUSA offers. Who gives a 17 about a state Juco award? We’ve got enough WR slots filled by kids that aren’t good enough. Drummond was the guy last year and he’s no difference maker at OM.
That’s the debate though, we have seen his system in the SEC already and it didn’t really work but in spurts. Now the question is would him running it yield better results since running it at Kentucky all those years ago? That’s the question but I think it is more than a fair debate whether or not it would succeed at a non traditional school in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
JUCO stats are basically meaningless. Heath may have been the “third receiver”- but the leading receiver there only had four more receptions than Heath. JUCO’s only play nine game seasons so Heath basically averaged 3-4 receptions a game on a team that went 4-5.
Football stats can be misleading because of team philosophy and scheme. And receiver stats are partially dependent on the QB.
Looks like Bama watched his tape and figured he was a non-factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew