The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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Originally Posted by confucius say

If everybody wore a mask and went back to normal life, how well would that work?

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Wouldn't work..... masks need to be thrown away after each encounter with another person. It seems the only thing to get everyone back to work is time.

Remember the Bloomberg smear article saying how the south was fat and unhealthy, so it was gonna be much worse for us?

NY death rate: .0718
LA death rate: .0513
MS death rate: .0356
AL death rate: .0306
GA death rate: .0374

And we know African Americans are hit harder by this virus. The southern states have much more African Americans per capita

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Remember the Bloomberg smear article saying how the south was fat and unhealthy, so it was gonna be much worse for us?

NY death rate: .0718
LA death rate: .0513
MS death rate: .0356
AL death rate: .0306
GA death rate: .0374

And we know African Americans are hit harder by this virus. The southern states have much more African Americans per capita

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New York- King of the hill! Top of the heap!

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

Hospitals inflating the number of COVID19 deaths to get more Medicaid money? This type of statement is Shawn Hannity level derangement. Good God stop posting crap like this.
ETA: I?ll play the devil?s advocate here for a minute. Ok, suppose for a moment this is true. How many deaths have been blamed on COVID for this bounty? Answer: the number would be statistically irrelevant. Plenty of people are dying from COVID without having to artificially inflate the numbers.

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If someone has COVID-19 and dies of another cause they are reporting it as COVID-19 death, even though COVID-19 wasn't the actual cause but could have been a contributing factor.
No one is just making up death totals.

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Originally Posted by hacker

Scott County up to 100 cases very quickly. Must be going through those chicken plants.

I think they now have the highest per capita infection rate by county.

Edit: Nope, Wilkinson does. Scott may be second though.

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They set up a testing station there.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

New York- King of the hill! Top of the heap!

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I don't wish ill will on NYers. I know Bloomberg doesn't speak for all of NY. That article did rub me wrong though when it was their state that was eat up with it

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't wish ill will on NYers. I know Bloomberg doesn't speak for all of NY. That article did rub me wrong though when it was their state that was eat up with it

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there was a reporter on MSNBC Or CNN said that Trump supporters in Red States were going to be the most to die. Boy were they wrong.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't wish ill will on NYers. I know Bloomberg doesn't speak for all of NY. That article did rub me wrong though when it was their state that was eat up with it

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I hear you. I have family that live there and don't want anything bad either.

But they can be arrogant Yankees.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

If someone has COVID-19 and dies of another cause they are reporting it as COVID-19 death, even though COVID-19 wasn't the actual cause but could have been a contributing factor.
No one is just making up death totals.

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What is your source for this?

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

$55 million dollars. POOF.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fema...5-masks-2020-4


And y'all wonder why I'm clamoring for oversight.

For people bad at math that's worth 2.2 Kennedy Centers that you bitched about.

$55 million to a company that went bankrupt last year, has no employees and has provided 0 masks.

"The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is paying Panthera $5.50 per mask, which is decidedly more than what the government pays companies with an established background in producing medical supplies such as 3M (the company charges about 63 cents per mask)."

I mean this is simply amazing how ridiculous this is.

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Tell me what I can do about this? What power do I currently have to make this different?


Notice I didn't say it was ok if true or that I support it or how things are possibly being handled.

I'm asking you to tell me what I can do about it.

Since I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, don't tell me to vote for the next fake ass politician who doesn't give a damn about the US people anyways. Lay it out for me what you want me or anyone else on this board to do. What is it?

"Open your eyes" doesn't count as a response either. What do you want us to do?

You feel like you can identify all the problems. You might can identify some. But WHAT THE F*$K DO YOU WANT ANYONE OF US TO DO? Or are you just bitching just to bitch? And if you are, you are bitching at the wrong people.

STFU up you insufferable ****.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Tell me what I can do about this? What power do I currently have to make this different?


Notice I didn't say it was ok if true or that I support it or how things are possibly being handled.

I'm asking you to tell me what I can do about it.

Since I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, don't tell me to vote for the next fake ass politician who doesn't give a damn about the US people anyways. Lay it out for me what you want me or anyone else on this board to do. What is it?

"Open your eyes" doesn't count as a response either. What do you want us to do?

You feel like you can identify all the problems. You might can identify some. But WHAT THE F*$K DO YOU WANT ANYONE OF US TO DO? Or are you just bitching just to bitch? And if you are, you are bitching at the wrong people.

STFU up you insufferable ****.

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Awesome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQXuazYI_YU

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

$55 million dollars. POOF.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fema...5-masks-2020-4


And y'all wonder why I'm clamoring for oversight.

For people bad at math that's worth 2.2 Kennedy Centers that you bitched about.

$55 million to a company that went bankrupt last year, has no employees and has provided 0 masks.

"The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is paying Panthera $5.50 per mask, which is decidedly more than what the government pays companies with an established background in producing medical supplies such as 3M (the company charges about 63 cents per mask)."

I mean this is simply amazing how ridiculous this is.

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There is probably somebody peddling influence there, but at least as of a few weeks ago, $5 was roughly the going price of n95 masks, if you could find them at all, which most people I talked to couldn't.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

If someone has COVID-19 and dies of another cause they are reporting it as COVID-19 death, even though COVID-19 wasn't the actual cause but could have been a contributing factor.
No one is just making up death totals.

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If someone has covid and gets murdered, I'm pretty sure that would not be a covid death because covid would not be a contributing factor in their death.

If someone is hospitalized with covid, and then has a heart attack in the hospital then yes that is a covid death. The death certificate would say heart attack with an underlying cause of covid. "Complications related to covid"

The same is true for any other disease. If someone has the flu and they're in the hospital and die of a heart attack, it's considered a flu death. "Complications related to influenza"

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

What is your source for this?

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https://twitter.com/avik/status/1250...978992641?s=21

https://abc7ny.com/oronavirus-nyc-death-toll-coronavirus-update-corona-virus/6103218/

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

https://twitter.com/avik/status/1250...978992641?s=21

https://abc7ny.com/oronavirus-nyc-de...virus/6103218/

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You missed a key detail. They get money for covid patients. They don't get extra money if the patient dies. They have no incentive to inflate death numbers.

The person has to test positive for them to get money.

All of the "probable" deaths have no positive test. No positive test, no money.

And they're listed as "probable" because the medical examiner put covid on the death certificate.

Again, death tolls are not inflated. Deaths are undercounted if anything.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Tell me what I can do about this? What power do I currently have to make this different?


Notice I didn't say it was ok if true or that I support it or how things are possibly being handled.

I'm asking you to tell me what I can do about it.

Since I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary, don't tell me to vote for the next fake ass politician who doesn't give a damn about the US people anyways. Lay it out for me what you want me or anyone else on this board to do. What is it?

"Open your eyes" doesn't count as a response either. What do you want us to do?

You feel like you can identify all the problems. You might can identify some. But WHAT THE F*$K DO YOU WANT ANYONE OF US TO DO? Or are you just bitching just to bitch? And if you are, you are bitching at the wrong people.

STFU up you insufferable ****.

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Vote. Spread news. Nothing is stronger than word of mouth. Speak out. Be informed of who the candidates are and what they have done. In 2016 America proved that we still have the ability to choose who our president is. It takes much more than you or me to do this.

Someone referenced it earlier, but it's such a great quote (and a great movie in general) i'm gonna bring it back up. "If you get shown a problem, but have no idea how to control it, you just decide to get used to the problem." Definitely applies here. I don't have all the answers and fixing this system is not a quick and easy process. But the first step to solving any problem... is admitting that there is a problem. So thank you, for being willing to take that step and admit that there is a problem. The only solution we have right now is to be the change we want to see in the world. So be informed. Inform others. Vote (even if it is abstaining. That's still a vote. (Here's wishing we could Brewster's Millions "None of the Above" this presidential campaign.)) Exercise your rights. Don't fall victim to the overwhelming system and feel like it can't be changed. Andrew Yang got hardly any votes in the democratic primaries; however, UBI has now come to the forefront of political discussion. That small of a voting bloc had the power to get that idea interjected into the conversation. That's where it starts. Grassroots movements can still happen and cause policy change even if they don't win. Bernie Sanders has definitely help shift the debate into realms that weren't thought possible on American soil. Change is possible. We just have to stay vigilant before it's too late.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

There is probably somebody peddling influence there, but at least as of a few weeks ago, $5 was roughly the going price of n95 masks, if you could find them at all, which most people I talked to couldn't.

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The company is $50 million in debt apparently. Has a litany of creditors. Follow the money and I wonder who has ties to a few of those creditors.

How a bankrupt company got a sweetheart deal from Mr. The Art of the Deal when he was able to negotiate the same product from a much bigger and more powerful entity for 1/7 of the price just raises too many eyebrows.

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Originally Posted by hacker

You missed a key detail. They get money for covid patients. They don't get extra money if the patient dies. They have no incentive to inflate death numbers.

The person has to test positive for them to get money.

All of the "probable" deaths have no positive test. No positive test, no money.

And they're listed as "probable" because the medical examiner put covid on the death certificate.

Again, death tolls are not inflated. Deaths are undercounted if anything.

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You been great with data.
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Numbers were inflated in NY

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

The company is $50 million in debt apparently. Has a litany of creditors. Follow the money and I wonder who has ties to a few of those creditors.

How a bankrupt company got a sweetheart deal from Mr. The Art of the Deal when he was able to negotiate the same product from a much bigger and more powerful entity for 1/7 of the price just raises too many eyebrows.

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Comrade. Please please have some vodka

Sorry about uncle Bernie and sleepy uncle joe

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

Vote. Spread news. Nothing is stronger than word of mouth. Speak out. Be informed of who the candidates are and what they have done. In 2016 America proved that we still have the ability to choose who our president is. It takes much more than you or me to do this.

Someone referenced it earlier, but it's such a great quote (and a great movie in general) i'm gonna bring it back up. "If you get shown a problem, but have no idea how to control it, you just decide to get used to the problem." Definitely applies here. I don't have all the answers and fixing this system is not a quick and easy process. But the first step to solving any problem... is admitting that there is a problem. So thank you, for being willing to take that step and admit that there is a problem. The only solution we have right now is to be the change we want to see in the world. So be informed. Inform others. Vote (even if it is abstaining. That's still a vote. (Here's wishing we could Brewster's Millions "None of the Above" this presidential campaign.)) Exercise your rights. Don't fall victim to the overwhelming system and feel like it can't be changed. Andrew Yang got hardly any votes in the democratic primaries; however, UBI has now come to the forefront of political discussion. That small of a voting bloc had the power to get that idea interjected into the conversation. That's where it starts. Grassroots movements can still happen and cause policy change even if they don't win. Bernie Sanders has definitely help shift the debate into realms that weren't thought possible on American soil. Change is possible. We just have to stay vigilant before it's too late.

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Sanders shifted the debate alright like as follows:

His stance on key issues:

Medicare for All: Government takeover of Healthcare
Green New Deal: BS carbon tax on Americans
Reproductive health care: Murder the unborn
Taxes: Will raise taxes to the point nobody will strive to be the best that can be and earn the most they can - why strive to earn more than $1M or whatever the cap is, the government will take the majority of your income. Taxes will drive behavior to be mediocre at best.
Voting rights: Felons and illegal aliens able to vote
College tuition: Another freebie that someone has to pay for - the middle class
Marijuana: Oh yeah, lets 17up every ones mind so they do not know whet the government is doing - who cares?
Education: Create class division - we all attend the same schools, the parents need to get involved to make an impact
Labor: Wants to overhaul labor laws and increase union membership and rights. All workers, union or not will have to pay union dues.

Yeah, I guess that is shifting the narrative - far to the LEFT away from individual rights and responsibilities to the Nanny state - the Big Ole Government will take care of us all to lazy to work. No incentive to work as you will be taxed into oblivion.

You really need to move to a non-democratic/replublic country. You will be a lot happier and so will we!

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

You been great with data.
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Numbers were inflated in NY

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Posting these again.

https://i.imgur.com/oubRHUP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MVByFxs.jpg

This is showing the total number of deaths of any cause. Compare to the month when 9/11 happened. More deaths than any month in 20 years.

And this is 12 days old. The numbers are even worse now.

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Originally Posted by hacker

Posting these again.



https://i.imgur.com/oubRHUP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MVByFxs.jpg

This is showing the total number of deaths of any cause. Compare to the month when 9/11 happened. More deaths than any month in 20 years.

And this is 12 days old. The numbers are even worse now.

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WRONG

I will try to simplify this even further.

In NYC, over the past 5 years, an average of 5500 people died from March 11 - April 13th.

From March 11 - April 13th this year, 18500 died.

That's 13000 more expected deaths than usual.

The confirmed # of coronavirus deaths on April 13 was 7905.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

WRONG

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"YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG"

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Originally Posted by hacker

I will try to simplify this even further.

In NYC, over the past 5 years, an average of 5500 people died from March 11 - April 13th.

From March 11 - April 13th this year, 18500 died.

That's 13000 more expected deaths than usual.

The confirmed # of coronavirus deaths on April 13 was 7905.

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Where are those numbers available at? I'd like to see monthly breaks downs by cause if possible

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Originally Posted by hacker

"YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG"

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Look beyond CNN and MSNBC.....
Comrade!

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Where are those numbers available at? I'd like to see monthly breaks downs by cause if possible

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You can find those numbers on the left outlets

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Look beyond CNN and MSNBC.....
Comrade!

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Jesus Christ. Hacker hasn't said shit about communism in this thread, dipshit. STFU.

I think the tentative plan for re-opening is as fair as we can expect regardless of where you stand on the issue. Will be interesting to see how its actually enacted.

Stats are stats..... believe them or don't..... who cares..... what matters is that this virus is affecting people's lives and we're going to get through it one way or another.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

You can find those numbers on the left outlets

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Haha... hacker is pretty good about having sources. I really do wanna dig into the numbers

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Jesus Christ. Hacker hasn't said shit about communism in this thread, dipshit. STFU.

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HAhaha.

Point taken

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Jesus Christ. Hacker hasn't said shit about communism in this thread, dipshit. STFU.

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I hate i was offensive

I'm just sayin there is evidence that numbers have been inflated.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

I hate i was offensive

I'm just sayin there is evidence that numbers have been inflated.

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Thank you.

See we can all play nice together !

i thought all of the hospitals were supposed to run out of beds by now.

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

i thought all of the hospitals were supposed to run out of beds by now.

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They were. But thankfully it didn't happen. I know when I walk around there are A LOT of empty beds where I work. It's a blessing. Also where I work the number of patients on vents is going down as well. Still above the norm but headed in the right direction.

The most disappointing thing to me from the front lines has been watching the media blow it out of proportion and outright lie at times. It's a little different when you have a front row seat to the lying.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

They were. But thankfully it didn't happen. I know when I walk around there are A LOT of empty beds where I work. It's a blessing. Also where I work the number of patients on vents is going down as well. Still above the norm but headed in the right direction.

The most disappointing thing to me from the front lines has been watching the media blow it out of proportion and outright lie at times. It's a little different when you have a front row seat to the lying.

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Agreed..... they're fixated on New York because of the influx in cases. They haven't really ventured off to more rural areas. The situation sucks either way you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

See we can all play nice together !

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You forgot these ***** haha!

Probably would be a true statement when we ain't getting communism shoved down our throat. We got a lot of issues in this country and there are some big bankers that should be in jail for life because of 2008 but ... we ain't standing in line at grocery stores for the bare meat & potato essentials and our poor folks that aren't homeless actually have almost as high a standard of dwellings in most cases to rival the middle class in England. And they usually have the highest dollar cell phones too.

Don't think any of that is due to UBI either.