They wanna get us to point where everyone can get tested (for antibodies too) so they can isolate and quarantine each new case.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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They wanna get us to point where everyone can get tested (for antibodies too) so they can isolate and quarantine each new case.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, they were using the Imperial College model for their numbers back then. Now they're using the IHME model, which I think is too conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If y'all think this is bad go read The Great Influenza.
First 5 chapters give a very detailed history of medicine in the US leading up to it. Those chapters a little difficult to get thru cause you keep wondering when you'll get to the flu story. After those chapters it takes off. Freaking nightmare after that.
Models can say one thing..... experts can say one thing..... and we can all predict whatever we want. There is one little fact out there. And that is..... no one knows exactly what the hell is going on, and we don't know exactly how to get through this. So the best thing to do is let this thing run its course. Stay home, avoid going out as much as possible, and be patient. This will eventually end, but we cannot rush it.
"It doesn't agree with the core tenets of the only failing system that i've ever known, so it must be shit."
He who is resistant to change...
I've seen two catastrophic level recessions coincide with the house of cards propping of "The Economy" done by the last two Republican presidents be toppled over. Sorry if I don't buy the bullshit anymore. If your economic system can fail this hard twice in the matter of 15 years... maybe you need to look into mixing things up. Why is that so blasphemous for you to comprehend. "La la land." You live in ****ing la la land if you think anyone on either side of the aisle gives a damn about anything other than your vote. You've got a sitting president who gave a cash advance which is designed to literally buy him votes. If he wins, we'll he's not worried about re-election a 3rd time (yet). If he loses, the part where the US comes to collect on their loan falls to someone else.
"If you give everyone cash the prices will rise up." That's where we've shown that we need regulation at the top. I'll hearken back to the 900% increase in C-Suite level pay since Reagan was elected versus the measley 15% increase for the average worker. That right there says that it needs regulation, sorry if that hurts your "but muh free market" feelings, snowflake. That generation proved that they can't be trusted with that much reign over the distribution of pay. They ruined the system that you hold near and dear to your heart and now it doesn't work for the common man.
I get it, when you were a kid it worked so clearly this generation is just "lazy". You've put your head in the sand and not questioned anything beyond that. The lazy thought is evident by "people just wont work if you give them free money." You're projecting and not understanding what UBI should cover. It should be for the basics. Food, Water, Shelter. I'll say it one more time so maybe you'll understand. People as a whole are not happy with only being allowed to do the basics. This quarantine is proof of that. We are not lazy. There will still be workers.
It's actually quite scary when you analyze your argument against UBI. Your hypothesis is that the only thing motivating people to go to work is FEAR of being homeless/without food. You've literally stated that you believe it's ok humans should be in a constant state of fear. Am I wrong for wanting to change that?
You all keep mocking what I'm saying, but defending a proven LOSER system. 2 Recessions in 15 years. Some of the worst shit that we've seen in a loooooooong ****ing time. And what happens on the other side of the recessions. We bailout big business and give them all the money because trickle-down economics. IT DOESNT WORK. So propose something else or shut up your criticism. You're defending a system that has already shown it won't work by claiming another can't work.
And as people sooooooo scared of communism / socialism. You're main fears are the way you fear the government control of things. Newsflash, the guy in charge is trying to become a total authority power. He's even telling you this point blank that he thinks he has and should have total authority. So we're well on our way to having the negatives of communism mixed in with the negatives of capitalism.
But yea, I live in la la land. Just be sure to apologize to your grandchildren when you see them on the other side. At the rate we're going that's gonna be sooner rather than later with as many of the horsemen as we have running around. War just reared his head again, China vs. USA is eminent. That means Pestilence, War, and Death are roaming about. With the Locust swarm in Africa causing major Famine.... I'll be praying for us.
You're the only one that keeps bringing government into it.
By all means, keep going though.
Dantheman, your assertion that the trickle down theory does not work is spot on. It only serves to make the rich richer and the poor even poorer.
One of the dumbest things ever posted here. I see it at work every single day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
No, history has proven that the trickle-down theory does not work in the long term. Hey, at one time, many decades ago, I too worshiped at the alter of trickle-down economics. However, I now adhere to Einstein?s definition of insanity.
Trickle down = pisssed onQuote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
You an R. Kelly fan, too, I see...**Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
Nobody is scared of socialism or communism. The issue is those government models do not agree with the US Constitution. The US recognizes that our freedoms are GOD given and the constitution guarantees that the US government will NOT infringe on them. Socialism and communism does and will infringe on our GOD given freedoms. We the people do NOT want that. We are not the ones trying to destroy our freedoms,, you are with these proven failed models of human government. The problem is not US, it is you but you fail to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
If socialism and communism are so great, then move to a country with that government model and se how you like it (you won't do that though). I guarantee you will not. I work with enough people in those environments to tell you that much.
Now you have again gotten WAY OFF the intent of this thread. Keep your eye on the ball will you? You are a distraction!!
There was a time before greed completely took over that it was plausible. Been awhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
Excellent response. And God I hate politics. And I really hate people that have to interject their political stance in every thread, conversation, etc.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
When the President stated he is the ultimate and final authority, did that agree with the Constitution? Please reference Amendment 10.
I've written and re-written a response to this several times but it's just too much. Good luck to you, brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Statements vs. actions. You are allowed to say pretty much whatever you want to say so...yeah...it was constitutional (1st Amendment). But if he TRIED to become a dictator then that would be a constitutional violation and things would get....complicated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
Scott County up to 100 cases very quickly. Must be going through those chicken plants.
I think they now have the highest per capita infection rate by county.
Edit: Nope, Wilkinson does. Scott may be second though.
Dawgology, I agree with your statement regarding 1st Amendment protections of free speech. What concerns me is a President who evidently has little grasp of the Constitution. When he made that statement, he apparently believed it was a statement of fact, and that is disturbing.
Proper context has to be set here. The President is "CEO" of the Runing Federal Government, meaning of all it departments and agencies (Executive Branch). Obviously he has to abide within the powers granted to him by the constitution. He is the final authority (Executive Branch) within boundaries. Congress's authority is (among others) to investigate and oversee the executive branch and its departments and agencies, to make sure that authority is not violated, and make laws as validated by the judicial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond
That’s probably my biggest fear right now, that this virus will start spreading in the food processing plants and everyone will either get sick or get scared. That’s why it’s so critical that we not open up the economy prematurely, but the businesses need to do their part too in protecting their workers, especially in the food industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
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Originally Posted by Joebob
Joebob,
I agree but how long will it be until the SIP, social distancing, etc. start to affect our ability to either product or distribute goods (food in this case)? I think that is the concern - at least for me.
Very Well Said!Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
It's not a matter of "if" but "when". Because it WILL happen. The issue I see is our governor caving to pressure and reopening our economy and canceling the shelter-in-place on Apr. 20th. If that happens expect cases and deaths to skyrocket in early May. We haven't even peaked yet and we are 4 days from the end of the shelter in place. It will be an unmitigated disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
I'm gonna take a guess and say that the governor keeps us under the shelter in place order until May 1. Just going by what he said on Tuesday about school closings. He mentioned that Pres. Trump said that we should be down until May 1 and opening up the schools May 1 wouldn't make sense because there would only be 2 weeks left, so I figure he's leaning toward a May 1 date to open things back up. Just my opinion though and we all know what opinions are worth right now, ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
The food supply chain is obviously considered essential and SIP has no effect on it. However, if the virus goes through some of these plants and they shut down, that's a big cause for concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
Yup. It's amazing how much food goes through some of those plants and how thin our food supply chain really is. We really don't have that many days of food inventory stored up in teh grand scheme of things, especially when you think about what might be lost due to logistics problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I mean, if we ever got really desperate, I guess we could take the roughly 50% of US corn that we burn in gas tanks and eat it instead, but I assume we'd have to have like 10% of the population die before the politics would let us do that, b/c the ethanol producers and corn farms know that if you ever let a policy so 17ing insane and destructive like that lapse, even in an emergency, it might be hard to get people to agree to go back to doing something so bat shit crazy when the emergency is over.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/b...ying-food.html
Check this out. THis is insane.
So apparently some hospitals have been inflating death numbers because if the patient dies for any cause they mark it as COVID and they get Medicaid $$$. In other words someone has heart attack they code it as covid. And they don't even test the person. This is why NY has a higher death rate. It makes no sense.
Trickle-down does not work over time. An ever increasing percentage gets stagnant and considering the disproportion of slices of the pie at the top, more gets stagnant at the top as the trickle eventually gets smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I'm sure trickle-down worked in your day. It doesn't anymore. It failed. We responded to the previous recession by going all in on it. We've come out the other side with people 20-40 unable to purchase homes and have quickly ended up in another huge recession. The answer is not to double down. It's idiotic to think otherwise.
I don't want to be in a country run by a dictator. I want to be in a country that takes care of the people. And I like crawfish too much. You've assigned in your head that I must agree with all the tenets of socialism and communism and paint everything as black and white. Its fruitless to discuss with you because you don't understand gray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extendedcab
All I've suggested is that we redistribute our wealth via heavy taxes on the elite rich (I'm talking the 1 mil / yr + income, not the end of the street family owned house where Mr. Jones brings in 150,000 for his white hat role at the shipyard.), universal basic income, and an abolishment of the minimum wage. I believe in freedoms but I also believe that we should have the minimum of being an american to be higher.
When you aren't trolling coot, you are one of the few that can reach across the aisle and actually fairly look at things to give a thought-out reasoned response. You must spread some reputation before giving to Cooterpoot again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
He's trying to. Look at the CARES and how difficult it is for transparency and proper oversight into the distribution of trillions of dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Good day comrade!
Holy shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
This is deraged Trump Syndrome
If ANY prior president had said that, he would have been removed from office... That day.
What is your source for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
So when does everyone go back to work? Hospitals are clearly faking the numbers. Ew cases and deaths. I believe the cases are a lot higher than reported (simply because they aren't testing everyone with symptoms) and it seems they are reported all death as Covid related (probably for monetary reasons).
So when do people go back to work and put this fear behind them? Yes, I was told I have a mild case but I'm still feeling the effects of the virus on day 18. I couldn't work right now because I have to take a nap just from checking the mail. So do we just go to work in hopes that this virus will affect the majority and die off? Or do we hunker down for another month or two while the economy tanks? Potentially save lives vs save the economy.....
$55 million dollars. POOF.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fema...5-masks-2020-4
And y'all wonder why I'm clamoring for oversight.
For people bad at math that's worth 2.2 Kennedy Centers that you bitched about.
$55 million to a company that went bankrupt last year, has no employees and has provided 0 masks.
"The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is paying Panthera $5.50 per mask, which is decidedly more than what the government pays companies with an established background in producing medical supplies such as 3M (the company charges about 63 cents per mask)."
I mean this is simply amazing how ridiculous this is.
The death stats are absolutely not inflated.
The truth of the matter is that at least twice as many people have died in NYC in the past month of ALL CAUSES than any other month in the past 20 years. That includes September 2001. Thousands more have died this month than in Sept 2001.
If you think they are inflated, just explain why there were 10000 more total deaths in NYC this month than any other month in 20 years. I'll hang up and listen.
What killed 10000 more people in NYC this month if it wasn't covid? Was it the 5G towers?
What is your source on that? Most information tends to state that we are most likely under-reporting deaths, not over reporting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/u...ndercount.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuac.../#5e55c5e282d7
Hospitals inflating the number of COVID19 deaths to get more Medicaid money? This type of statement is Shawn Hannity level derangement. Good God stop posting crap like this.
ETA: I?ll play the devil?s advocate here for a minute. Ok, suppose for a moment this is true. How many deaths have been blamed on COVID for this bounty? Answer: the number would be statistically irrelevant. Plenty of people are dying from COVID without having to artificially inflate the numbers.
If everybody wore a mask and went back to normal life, how well would that work?
There is a link to an external Political site on the ED main blog page. Please click it and take your beef somewhere else. Either that or move to a country that you think will please you more, other than the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248