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Gosh…they must have lost the Sugar Bowl this year because they didn’t have the support of Byhalia…Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I mean, that's a weird conclusion to come to but okayQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
You cannot sign a grade risk kid anymore. If you accept the LOI they count against your grant allocation, irrespective of if they make it to school or not. That scholarship is gone for the term. If you cant get accepted into school you cant play football, end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
You are the one spinning here, the blame rests on the kid and the adults in his life who allowed him to (potentially) fail. This ain't the place for clutching pearls. Pounders story is completely different because he was a qualifier.
Somewhere there is a player who will get this scholly because he did the work.
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This. And just about every school has dropped a kid for this very reason. Heck even Saban has dropped kids right before signing day. It's part of it. If you don't put in the work in the classroom you don't reap the benefits. They knew this was coming because of the lack of production in the classroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
Now Commerce you have to know that in todays age you cannot accept liability for your own actions. It’s always someone else’s fault.
Does the timing stink, absolutely. But, maybe this helps pursuance the next player in this situation to work a little harder.
This is the last post I'll make on the topic because we're cluttering the recruiting thread and signing day is next week.
I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have dropped the kid bc he was a grade risk. That's what y'all are missing. No where have I said that. I'm arguing that the timing of it is wrong. You knew he was a grade risk in December. So you told him to sign in February. Then 5 days before signing day, you offer him a blue shirt. Obviously that option had not been discussed given the fact he took issue with it. Now him taking issue with it is another argument. I would've probably taken it if it were me and I felt I could get eligible. But the blue shirt should've been offered in December. His grades didn't magically change one way or the other in a month, especially since half that time was Christmas break. Luckily, for him (and us) it looks like he's gonna land on his feet at South Alabama. That's great.
In my opinion, it was a bad look, but it's all water under the bridge now.
See post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
No spinning here.
See post above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
So Steve always toes the company line but on his latest podcast he basically back door called out the coaching staff for the timing. Interesting.
What’s the feel on Ajay Allen?
No one really knows I don't think. Could be us, TCU, or Nebraska. I'd love to get him because he's talentedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
I think its because the recruiting insiders need good relations with the high school coaches so they put that out there to stay on the high schools good side. Thats just my estimated guess as to why he wouldnt tote water for state though so its probably wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
As an assistant principal, I will tell you that grades can and do change in a month. Grades for first semester in a lot of public schools aren't finalized until January after we come back from Christmas Break. So as a college, you can take a kids word in December, but officially, as a school, you won't get notification of a students 1st semester final grades until the middle of January.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
The school I work at in Alabama, we didn't finalize grades until January 11th. So you can get word of mouth from a kid, but as a college you don't get official grade reports until early to middle January.
I cut colleges a lot of slack in most cases in situations like this. When a students admittance into college rides on grades that are finalized 3 weeks before signing day, you can get put in some bad situations. I don't know the specifics of this one. But colleges can't technically get access to official grades until they are finalized. So it's entirely possible the outlook for this child didn't require a response from us until we were able to get that information officially.
Like I said, I don't know the specifics of this one, but I do know how grade reporting works and what colleges can and can't do in regards to accessing official grades of students, even if they are prospects.
Correct. You wait for the official grades and then you determine what the kid needs to do in the Spring/Summer to get qualified. In this case the staff pulled the plug us soon as they had all the information.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I listened to Steve too. He only said he wished it happened earlier, but it's also on the kid to make the grades. If he makes the grades, he's at state right now. What's the parents and kid gunna tell Leach when he doesn't qualify? "Sorry we cost you a scholarship, but we won't talk bad about you now." Steve and them don't know everything. And if our coaches are that incompetent in being up front with a recruit, they really suck at recruiting. I find it really hard to believe they are that stupid(like I said, common sense.) I feel like we gave the kid his best opportunity for SEC play by sticking with him the longest until we just knew it was too risky.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Exactly, kid knew why he was held over. And I'm willing to bet, knew this could happen if things didn't improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
So who else are other options right now besides Ajay, our OLman that has to graduate(Pines?) and I believe our one visitor(can't remember).
Not sure if you can say that. IF his eligibilty was highly dependent on his final grades for the Fall semester and IF those final grades were not available to our coaching staff until 2 or 3 weeks into January, then our staff may just now be realizing that he is very unlikely to get eligible. Now that his Fall grades are in they do pretty much know exactly what he would have to accomplish in the Spring to get eligible and it may be more than we think he can do. None of that would have been known in December. Bottom line is that if he was ready to sign in December and we would not let him, then I think that should have been all the indication he would have needed to start looking into other options. Its not like there are any other SEC or other P5 schools rushing in to take him.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Good player, bad grades but it’s the coaching staffs fault. BS. This happens every year to every program in all sports.
Who are the kids that secretly signed with us the 1st day but wanted to announce with their classmates. Also, I believe one was trying to surprise a relative or something. Who were they?
Zavion Thomas and Kayden Pope both WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentSteel16
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Originally Posted by Bothrops
From my vantage point, it is two different situations. Ole Miss blindsided Pounders with this information just a few days before signing. RJ Moss told from day one we would not be signing him if it looks like he would not qualify on signing day. He was even encouraged to look elsewhere but no other SEC program or major P5 is going to sign him either with these grade issues. He can still go to South Alabama or JuCo, get his grades in order and transfer to a P5 if he can prove himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
College isnt for everyone.
This is correct. Nothing changed between dec and now. We handled it very poorly to say the leastQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Or enter the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
Except you seem to have missed the part where they may have just found out that his grades from December weren't good enough to qualify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
So drop him in December. They've had his grades since December.Quote:
Originally Posted by PCHSDawg
Look, I see both sides of the story. RJ was not forthcoming with this grades. He is definitely behind in the classroom, and is more than likely not going to qualify. He knew what he needed grade wise to be part of this class. He didn't hold up his end of the bargain. Was told upfront that our staff needed to see that he was on track to qualify.
I know a coach on staff there and he's a great dude. RJ still thinks he will have the grades, but he missed the mark for progress for our staff. I get why both sides are miffed. Recruiting isn't always black and white. Our staff doesn't want to lose a grant and RJ thinks he will still qualify. That's the gist of what is going on. From what I know, Blue shirt is still a possibility.
Ding ding dingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
It's not like RJ can hide his grades. They have transcripts. The only problem with this is the timing. Nothing with his transcript has changed after 3 weeks of the 2nd semester.Quote:
Originally Posted by trob115
They've probably had his true grades since a couple weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Grades don't get finalized and accessible officially by schools until into January.
A lot of folks think colleges get grades in December when kids leave for break. That's not true. They might have gotten word of mouth about his 1st semester grades, but nothing official until January.
When it comes to colleges taking high schools kids, I'm not going to take some kids word over what their transcript officially says. Because the transcript is what gets you qualified not a kids word.
No P5 Coaching staff is taking the word of a kid when it comes to grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
The problem with your theory here is you are vastly underestimating the work it takes teachers and administration to grade finals, record final grades and create an official transcript. If you have any family members or friends in the education system and school administration you should know this. I bet you think teachers really have the Summer off and don?t do any work at home either. I have 3 kids in the MS public school system and a wife that has taught 20+ years?among other family and friends that are Superintendents or Principals in this State. What you are describing is not how it works. Listen to the Principal a few pages back. Maybe you are a Principal and your school is the outlier. Maybe at Biloxi High School they spend their Christmas break creating 1700 transcripts or just the ones that demanded it. Or maybe you are just wrong. The staff did not have his transcript in December. The earliest they had it was January close to mid January.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
So how pissed would everyone be if we took his signature and he was a non qualifier? We would lose that scholarship for at least a year.
No one is saying we should've signed him. Not a single person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
But you are saying the staff had his grades in December when the fact is they did not. All we have heard is how he is on track to qualify. Where has that been coming from? Our staff has not been going around saying that. Have to love anonymous sources. When his official transcript came over in Mid January it showed that he was not on track to qualify.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
They had his transcript from the fall. You can believe that or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowboydawg
I could 100% prove you wrong but I will back off.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg