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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Sumrall name is coming back up

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Steve being Steve. You might as well close the gates at the stadium if it's Sumrall because you're going to lose a lot of the fan base. Nothing exciting about that guy. Selmon isn't stupid. Unless someone higher up is going over Selmon's head & essentially cucking to the Briles stuff, it's going to be Lebby & always was going to be. Now with that said, the Mississippi State thing to do is definitely someone going over Selmon's head & cucking last minute. I'd like to believe things have changed though.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

They are one of the slowest bland offenses in college football.

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And their OC was the OC for Chad Morris at Arkansas

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

Steve being Steve. You might as well close the gates at the stadium if it's Sumrall because you're going to lose a lot of the fan base. Nothing exciting about that guy. Selmon isn't stupid. Unless someone higher up is going over Selmon's head & essentially cucking to the Briles stuff, it's going to be Lebby & always was going to be. Now with that said, the Mississippi State thing to do is definitely someone going over Selmon's head & cucking last minute. I'd like to believe things have changed though.

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If it's Sumrall, I really am done. That would be an atrocious hire.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If it's Sumrall, I really am done. That would be an atrocious hire.

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He doesn?t excite me. At least , Lebby would make it exciting and can recruit

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Troy has had 64% of their yards on passing this year for the record. Is that a "boring ass offense" ?

That's the same % as Oklahoma for the record.

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Did you really just compare Troy's offense to OU's???

One is 4th in the nation. The other is 52nd. One scored 57 offensive touchdowns this year. The other scored 37. OU almost had 1000 more yards than Troy.

Comparatively speaking, yes Troy has a boring ass offense.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

If it's Sumrall, I really am done. That would be an atrocious hire.

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The only way it's Sumrall is if someone went over Selmon's head. And if that happens, it will take forever for MSU football to recover. I know who Zac's guy is. I can't imagine living in a world where we hired Job 17n Sumrall to be our head coach.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

The only way it's Sumrall is if someone went over Selmon's head. And if that happens, it will take forever for MSU football to recover. I know who Zac's guy is. I can't imagine living in a world where we hired Job 17n Sumrall to be our head coach.

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How do you know who his guy is

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

How do you know who his guy is

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I'm psychic.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

The only way it's Sumrall is if someone went over Selmon's head. And if that happens, it will take forever for MSU football to recover. I know who Zac's guy is. I can't imagine living in a world where we hired Job 17n Sumrall to be our head coach.

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Agree. It would be Keenum forcing it on Selmon. I could see us doing something stupid like that.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Agree. It would be Keenum forcing it on Selmon. I could see us doing something stupid like that.

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Thats the Mississippi State way. They have been doing it for years

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Originally Posted by bobtail bob

You have to think if our administration is competent they already have their guy and he is still coaching. If they havent then things could get desperate and how you wind up with someone like Will Muschamp. I'm trying to believe that is not the case but the clock is ticking fast

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Again that would make sense for a head coach but not a coordinator. Who cares if a coordinator leaves. Players and coaches usually see it as something they deserve and don't look down on it. The coordinator wants it out so he can start recruiting and getting staff. Look at when Mullen came. He coached the national championship game still.

Again if it's a coordinator then things aren't final. Otherwise it's a head coach or we don't know who it is yet

No. I have worked myself up from zero to hero about Lebby and genuinely gotten excited about having an offense after this shitastic year. I will not accept Jon fn Sumrall now

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Originally Posted by Msujd164

No. I have worked myself up from zero to hero about Lebby and genuinely gotten excited about having an offense after this shitastic year. I will not accept Jon fn Sumrall now

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I could think of 3 coaches I would switch with Lebby.
1) Chadwell
2) Elko
3) Lashlee
None of those are Sumrall

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

The only way it's Sumrall is if someone went over Selmon's head. And if that happens, it will take forever for MSU football to recover. I know who Zac's guy is. I can't imagine living in a world where we hired Job 17n Sumrall to be our head coach.

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Don't forget the boosters put Arnett in charge. Sumrall is basically an experienced and successful version of that.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Thats the Mississippi State way. They have been doing it for years

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I just watched some video of Troy.

It looks like Mississippi State football.

That's not a compliment.

Lots of defense. A little offense. Everything moving in slow motion taking a long time to develop.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I just watched some video of Troy.

It looks like Mississippi State football.

That's not a compliment.

Lots of defense. A little offense. Everything moving in slow motion taking a long time to develop.

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Not going to happen but would you do Sumrall with K Briles as OC

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Sumrall name is coming back up

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Please not Sumrall. I'm somewhat excited about Lebby now. Chadwell would be the only one prefer over him. Sumrall would definitely be a Keenum hire.

Rumor I heard was that Elko wanted more time to see if TAMU would double back on him and we aren't going to wait. I would be shocked if it isn't Lebby

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Not going to happen but would you do Sumrall with K Briles as OC

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Yeah if he pulled Sean Lewis or Brennan Marion then I could get behind it.

His current OC sucks and has sucked in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

You don't smoke screen a coordinator hire. We had face to face with multiple coaches before Lebby, we reached out to them. Odom was the one that pushed hard to get into the door with us. Now did Selmon believe that Lebby may end up being the best guy or a good option in the end? Sure that's possible. But we didn't smoke screen with these other coaches to hire Lebby, someone that from the beginning was a known target.

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Hey Clark,

Did State not like the Odom interview? Is it a matter of him being a DC, that he isn't the guy? Just curious.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

Hey Clark,

Did State not like the Odom interview? Is it a matter of him being a DC, that he isn't the guy? Just curious.

Thanks

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They spoke several times but never did a face to face. I think it was just a matter of they liked other candidates better. Sumrall was very impressive and if it wasn't for the non-compete issue we would have only a Top 2, pulling a winning sitting P5 coach was the top choice if we could get a deal done and Lebby interviewed well and a great back up plan...got a top 3 with one you know will take it and you don't have to get a 4th candidate.

I give up if it is another defensive coach. So tired of this crap

I know what some are starting to say about Sumrall but Keenum had absolutely nothing to do with him being up on our list. Selmon and others involved in the interview were sold on him being a top target after his interview Sunday before Keenum even knew. He hasn't pushed a candidate over another. I have my issues with Keenum but this hiring process has been all Selmon's. I'm still leaning Lebby this morning but there was no done deal and we were still talking with other candidates but like I said yesterday that is also done to finish the process when we get close to the end. Odom "pulled out" of the search after that.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I know what some are starting to say about Sumrall but Keenum had absolutely nothing to do with him being up on our list. Selmon and others involved in the interview were sold on him being a top target after his interview Sunday before Keenum even knew. He hasn't pushed a candidate over another. I have my issues with Keenum but this hiring process has been all Selmon's. I'm still leaning Lebby this morning but there was no done deal and we were still talking with other candidates but like I said yesterday that is also done to finish the process when we get close to the end. Odom "pulled out" of the search after that.

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Fingers crossed we dont overthink this and finalize something with Lebby today

Remember 2 things that are true of every coaching search:

1) No one knows everything, and basically no one knows what they either think they know or claim to know.

2) We will not know anything about how good the new coach is until at least a couple weeks into the season, no matter who it is.

These things are true every single time. Until a coach is named, do not trust anyone. And until a new coach has had a chance to actually coach games, do not make a judgment.

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Originally Posted by TheLostDawg

Not going to happen but would you do Sumrall with K Briles as OC

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Won?t happen. Sumrall is playing offense exactly like he wants. Slow, methodically plodding offenses that win the TOP battle so his defense can get breathers. That?s their only job.

Sounds a lot like someone recently fired?.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Yeah if he pulled Sean Lewis or Brennan Marion then I could get behind it.

His current OC sucks and has sucked in the SEC.

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We can get ourselves talked about like that and ignore reality. But that ain?t Sumrall. He ain?t going out and hiring that guy. He will bring Craddock or someone like him.

Like I heard somebody say, Sumrall is a Neal Brown 2.0. That is a great comparison.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Like I heard somebody say, Sumrall is a Neal Brown 2.0. That is a great comparison.

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I don't see that at all. Neal was the hot offensive guy for a number of years, Sumrall a defensive guy just getting a bigger name for himself. If it's because they both are coaches from Troy then you have too many examples both ways from coaches coming from the same school.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

We can get ourselves talked about like that and ignore reality. But that ain?t Sumrall. He ain?t going out and hiring that guy. He will bring Craddock or someone like him.

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Hey Art, will Lebby bring in an OC or will he coach QB's and run the offense himself? Maybe have a passing game coordinator or some bullshit like they title people these days. Asking for a friend.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Hey Art, will Lebby bring in an OC or will he coach QB's and run the offense himself? Maybe have a passing game coordinator or some bullshit like they title people these days. Asking for a friend.

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Don?t get mad at me cause you can?t handle the truth bud. Sumrall is a few years more experienced Arnett.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Don?t get mad at me cause you can?t handle the truth bud. Sumrall is a few years more experienced Arnett.

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Lighten up man. You sure are thin skinned about this situation.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Lighten up man. You sure are thin skinned about this situation.

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I?m good. Not upset at all. Just pointing at Sumrall will be an abject disaster here.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

We can get ourselves talked about like that and ignore reality. But that ain?t Sumrall. He ain?t going out and hiring that guy. He will bring Craddock or someone like him.

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The man hired the OC under Chad Morris at Arkansas.

Contrary to what's being said by some on here. Selmon is NOT out of touch with the fan base... Keenum is... Which is why you're hearing Jon Sumrall's name being floated around.

Smoot said it best. These hires are 70% luck, 15% coaching ability, 15% are they a good fit?

We can debate the candidates on those 2 15% metrics, but remember it's mostly luck and you don't know crap till a few games into the season.

Personally, I think an offensive guy is the best fit, and Lebby certainly has the offensive resume. On the "coaching ability", he hasn't been tested as a HC. On the "fit", he's an OC who's coached in MS and the SEC.

Seems like people are very hard on him for not having been a HC before. Meh. He's got it or he doesn't. Many HCs can win at one place and loose at another anyway.

My main concern is the contract. We need a good staff and roster and that costs $$$, we also need to be able to afford the buyout after 2-3 years of he's a disaster

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

Contrary to what's being said by some on here. Selmon is NOT out of touch with the fan base... Keenum is... Which is why you're hearing Jon Sumrall's name being floated around.

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But it was Selmon who liked Sumrall.

Keenum isn't running the search behind closed doors.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Smoot said it best. These hires are 70% luck, 15% coaching ability, 15% are they a good fit?

We can debate the candidates on those 2 15% metrics, but remember it's mostly luck and you don't know crap till a few games into the season.

Personally, I think an offensive guy is the best fit, and Lebby certainly has the offensive resume. On the "coaching ability", he hasn't been tested as a HC. On the "fit", he's an OC who's coached in MS and the SEC.

Seems like people are very hard on him for not having been a HC before. Meh. He's got it or he doesn't. Many HCs can win at one place and loose at another anyway.

My main concern is the contract. We need a good staff and roster and that costs $$$, we also need to be able to afford the buyout after 2-3 years of he's a disaster

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Hiring lebby for 4 leaves you 2-3 to hire an elite DC if you can get one to come.

If I'm lebby I take 3.5 and have money filtered to NIL instead of Bulldog Club so I can get some more players.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Hiring lebby for 4 leaves you 2-3 to hire an elite DC if you can get one to come.

If I'm lebby I take 3.5 and have money filtered to NIL instead of Bulldog Club so I can get some more players.

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NIL and staff.

Talk about losing your fan base by hiring Jon Sumrall if we move towards that instead of Lebby.

We are about to lose a large portion of the fan base because they are tired of a boring stale product. And you hire a boring stale coach that won?t win here.

What a bad move that will effectively lose the fan base. No one wants Sumrall. By a large margin.

We won under Mike Leach but we were boring and stale and the fan base was waining. Sumrall ain?t going to fix that.

Kiffin will run circles around him in in-state recruiting. Much like he did with Arnett. Our skill players will transfer out because they will be in the same damn offense we may right now. They want no part of that.