Need to be careful

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

GTFO. That has to average in pass attempts or something along those lines. I have seen that stat from you before and if you really believe that I cant help you. I guess the entire coaching staff just was wrong day in and day out

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Facts don’t care about your feelings. You keep repeating throwing our receivers under the bus when the problem is your boy. Will Rogers is not good at football in SEC games. It’s not our receivers. It’s not our oline. It’s him. We have one of the higher graded olines per pff. We have receivers with some of the lowest drop rates in the country. The problem is the person you white knight for every game while the rest of us watch him look like a deer in headlights.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I have answered it. You chose not to read it. You want an answer to a question that isn?t even finished yet, smartass.

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I must have missed it, give me three possible names at QB or just stop talking.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Yea it's probably gonna be him. The other thing I see being a possibility is we're gonna name him Co-OC/RGC/TE Coach and bring in Arnett's buddy Ryan Lindley and have him be Co-OC/PGC/QB Coach

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Getting the country club back together.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Thanks…..pretty simple. We need to know what our offense is going to be like first. If it’s going to require a dual threat quarterback to work then obviously there aren’t many choices in the portal that would not be better than what we currently have on the roster. If it’s not then that is different. This guy wants an answer on who our quarterback should be without us even knowing what offense we are running. I think that we could probably eke out enough portal money to steal Malik Hornsby from Texas State if we go to a system that is going to require us to have a true mobile quarterback. I don’t know though. I will have to check with moneybags homedog first to check our exact bankroll.

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Malik Hornsby?

Holy hell

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Go and watch our WRs with the lowest drop rate and tell me who played well. Their ass whipping rate was pretty high those games. Bc they ended up on our bench with DBs on them or looking for their chairs in the other ones. We had absolutely 0 consistentcy from our outside WRs. None. Half the time they got their ass whipped and the other half they ran a bad route bc they knew they were getting it handed tk them. Ill level with you. Leach had made it well known.

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Of course the least objective football poster on this board has to blame everyone but Will. It's everyone's fault but his.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm not sure if Arnett knows.

What it looks like to me is our boosters swooped in and brought back their buddies ASAP after Leach passed away.

Unfortunately we didn't have an AD in place to stop this from happening and start a proper coaching search which probably could have gotten us Western Kentucky's staff. Which is what we absolutely should have done if we were going to blow everything up anyway.

Instead we as fans get to enjoy a complete rebuild on offense again- who knows if it will even halfway fit our personnel but knowing MSU it won't but hey! That's no problem because we can always just blame Will.

Instead we have gotten a lot of misleading statements at best from MSU about continuity and how we aren't going far away from the Air Raid while everything else is being blown up in the meantime. All the while the guys we ran off of our staff have basically almost immediately been hired as coordinators while we're still searching and hoping this guy from Tulane isn't a shitshow and has about the same amount of experience as the guys we ran off. But hey! We got Bumphis!** And don't think that the coaching community hasn't noticed how we've treated Leach's staff who just won 9 games. That's likely part of the reason why we've had trouble hiring an OC- on top of everyone's friend having a position making it more difficult for real OC's to bring in their staff.

All in all I see this working out about like Arkansas with Sam Pittman. We'll probably have a good season next year just because of our culture put in place from Leach and the experience of the players plus our schedule. Once those players leave we'll go into decline and then hopefully this nightmare will end for us around 2025 and we can actually do a real coaching search and hire someone who knows what the hell they're doing instead of going off of booster recommendations for hires.

But by all means relying heavily on a running back who couldn't even make it out of fall practice healthy should work out well for us next year.**

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Yeah I dont know ZA is thinking on offense right now. A new OC will show us I guess. But any OC worth his weight should be able to adapt to our strengths for next season.
As far as boosters making the hirings, that just seems like speculation to me. So far Turner is the only one who has coached here before, I believe. Leach almost hired Bump, too, so I?m sure ZA saw that at a positive. The rest he?s hired hasnt coached here, correct? I agree that hate to lose some of our coaches that were doing a good job, but they took OC spots that werent available to them here. Can?t blame either party for that. Hopefully, ZA excels and we are not going down AR path like you say.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I must have missed it, give me three possible names at QB or just stop talking.

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You did miss it, unsurprisingly.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Malik Hornsby?

Holy hell

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If we go to something similar to what Mullen ran and you would rather have Will Rogers run that than Malik Hornsby then You are a complete idiot. That’s about as simple as it can be put. Will Rogers is a system quarterback that can’t effectively run anything else than what we have been Running and he did that very poorly against anyone with a pulse. If you think he would be better than Hornsby in any other system than the air raid or possibly pro style offense then you are insane. What did you watch Will Rogers do this year? Seriously? What were you watching?

This thread could use some Xanax. Some of you guys need to unplug for 48 hours.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Facts don?t care about your feelings. You keep repeating throwing our receivers under the bus when the problem is your boy. Will Rogers is not good at football in SEC games. It?s not our receivers. It?s not our oline. It?s him. We have one of the higher graded olines per pff. We have receivers with some of the lowest drop rates in the country. The problem is the person you white knight for every game while the rest of us watch him look like a deer in headlights.

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So basically no response. Nobody white knighted anyone. Yall are the ones literally blaming the kid for everything but the weather while the everyone that really matters (coaches players) would run thru a wall for him.

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Of course the least objective football poster on this board has to blame everyone but Will. It's everyone's fault but his.

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I have never said that. Calling me least objective while blaming literally every problem on Will is pretty short sighted oh great football poster of elite dawgs

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

So basically no response. Eat it dude.

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Go look at SEC stat cat. Argue with me till you’re blue in the face. Advanced stats say I’m right and you’re wrong. No one said he’s not the best on the roster. That is what is so sad. Our evals at quarterback have been awful because Will Rogers is no doubt the best we have on the roster. That doesn’t mean he isn’t bad.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I have never said that. Calling me least objective while blaming literally every problem on Will is pretty short sighted oh great football poster of elite dawgs

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Why does everyone else have to be perfect for Will to perform in games against top 80 defenses?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Go look at SEC stat cat. No one said he’s not the best on the roster. That is what is so sad. Our evals at quarterback have been awful because Will Rogers is no doubt the best we have on the roster. That doesn’t mean he isn’t bad.

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More ranked wins in 3 years than just about anyone we have ever had. Over SEC teams. All the while this year basically having 3 WRs we could count on none of them being outside guys and 2 RBs that only got carries when Will called the play for them to get it. Im not beating a dead horse anymore. We are lucky to have him

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Why does everyone else have to be perfect for Will to perform in games against top 80 defenses?

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When you throw it 60 times a game you are pretty much counting on others to do their job. This is a pretty self explanatory question. He has more on his shoulders than anyone on the entire offense. I hope that changes

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

When you throw it 60 times a game you are pretty much counting on others to do their job. This is a pretty self explanatory question. He has more on his shoulders than anyone on the entire offense. I hope that changes

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He does. Every QB does for the most part. But clearly, it's too much for him.

Most of us feel just as comfortable starting over with someone else as rolling out what we have now with Will.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I have never said that. Calling me least objective while blaming literally every problem on Will is pretty short sighted oh great football poster of elite dawgs

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Facts. The truth is from the pro level down, not a single player is perfect on every play. Will missed some deep shots. However, WRs would go absent alot. It's why Leach got rid of the chairs.

Friend is one of the best OL coaches and recruiters in the business. Turner is too at DL. Bump is a wait and see but he's a hard worker with the personality to recruit. I don't have a single problem with any of those guys.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Go look at SEC stat cat. Argue with me till you’re blue in the face. Advanced stats say I’m right and you’re wrong. No one said he’s not the best on the roster. That is what is so sad. Our evals at quarterback have been awful because Will Rogers is no doubt the best we have on the roster. That doesn’t mean he isn’t bad.

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Show me you stat for WRs getting beat down on routes. Not going all out on routes. Stopping on routes.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

More ranked wins in 3 years than just about anyone we have ever had. Over SEC teams. All the while this year basically having 3 WRs we could count on none of them being outside guys and 2 RBs that only got carries when Will called the play for them to get it. Im not beating a dead horse anymore. We are lucky to have him

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Wins aren’t a quarterback stat. We won 3 games in spite of him this year. Your argument is ridiculous and we need to find a better option going forward.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Show me you stat for WRs getting beat down on routes. Not going all out on routes. Stopping on routes.

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I’m sorry that you don’t know how sitting down in zone coverage works.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

He does. Every QB does for the most part. But clearly, it's too much for him.

Most of us feel just as comfortable starting over with someone else as rolling out what we have now with Will.

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Yep. 9 wins too much. LOL!

Rogers will be the QB next year.

I don't think Will is great but there's nobody on campus better. Arnett is done with throwing every play. I'm not a fan of what Tulane does, but I think we've still got better news coming on the OC front. There's no way we win 9+ games pounding the rock next year. Especially without a QB who can run. If we try that, Arnett won't last long here.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yep. 9 wins too much. LOL!

Rogers will be the QB next year.

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Giving Will Rogers credit for the wins against Auburn, Ole Miss, and Illinois is just embarrassing for you. Our TEAM won those games, and mainly because they had to carry him in spite of his atrocious play. Team wins are not a quarterback stat.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Friend is one of the best OL coaches and recruiters in the business. Turner is too at DL. Bump is a wait and see but he's a hard worker with the personality to recruit. I don't have a single problem with any of those guys.

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I think Bump will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Wins aren?t a quarterback stat. We won 3 games in spite of him this year. Your argument is ridiculous and we need to find a better option going forward.

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No we didn't. Name them

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No we didn't. Name them

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Ole Miss, Auburn, and Illinois. I’ve named them 3 times now. You named them as games he played well. You’re clueless

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

Yep. 9 wins too much. LOL!

Rogers will be the QB next year.

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Just stop. The defense is why we got to 9 wins.

No one said he wasn't going to be the QB next year. Just that I personally would be making strides to improve the position and create an actual QB competition.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I’m sorry that you don’t know how sitting down in zone coverage works.

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LOL! Ok

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Giving Will Rogers credit for the wins against Auburn, Ole Miss, and Illinois is just embarrassing for you. Our TEAM won those games, and mainly because they had to carry him in spite of his atrocious play. Team wins are not a quarterback stat.

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LOL. I already gave you his stats on 2 of those. Try winning those games with out the TDs thrown. Atrocious play of the Defense in the 2nd half vs Auburn put Auburn in the game. Decam missing his assignment on Wade vs Ole Miss put them in the game.

A 75 yard drive led by Rogers:

2nd & 4 at MSST 31
(1:41 - 2nd) Will Rogers run for 8 yds to the MisSt 39 for a 1ST down

2nd & 10 at MISS 47
(0:44 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass complete to Caleb Ducking for 15 yds to the Miss 32 for a 1ST down

3rd & 10 at MISS 19
(0:08 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass complete to Lideatrick Griffin for 19 yds for a TD, (Massimo Biscardi KICK)


LMAO!


Score 24 to 16. Defense gave up a 99.... NINTY NINE YARD DRIVE!!!

1st & 10 at MSST 23
(1:25 - 4th) Jaxson Dart pass complete to Dayton Wade for 23 yds for a TD, DECAM blown coverage.

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Originally Posted by StateDawg44

Just stop. The defense is why we got to 9 wins.

No one said he wasn't going to be the QB next year. Just that I personally would be making strides to improve the position and create an actual QB competition.

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No, pretty sure you take away the TDs on the Offensive side and we lose those.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

No, pretty sure you take away the TDs on the Offensive side and we lose those.

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Don't make me agree with Jairus. Look, both things can be true. Will is the best QB on the roster and we will be hard pressed to afford a better portal QB. That is true.

The offense/Will was not responsible for a few of our wins. That is true as well.

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

LOL. I already gave you his stats on 2 of those. Try winning those games with out the TDs thrown. Atrocious play of the Defense in the 2nd half vs Auburn put Auburn in the game. Decam missing his assignment on Wade vs Ole Miss put them in the game.

A 75 yard drive led by Rogers:

2nd & 4 at MSST 31
(1:41 - 2nd) Will Rogers run for 8 yds to the MisSt 39 for a 1ST down

2nd & 10 at MISS 47
(0:44 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass complete to Caleb Ducking for 15 yds to the Miss 32 for a 1ST down

3rd & 10 at MISS 19
(0:08 - 2nd) Will Rogers pass complete to Lideatrick Griffin for 19 yds for a TD, (Massimo Biscardi KICK)


LMAO!


Score 24 to 16. Defense gave up a 99.... NINTY NINE YARD DRIVE!!!

1st & 10 at MSST 23
(1:25 - 4th) Jaxson Dart pass complete to Dayton Wade for 23 yds for a TD, DECAM blown coverage.

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You are an embarrassment. This is the most ridiculous argument I’ve ever seen someone make. Giving Will rogers credit for the egg bowl and auburn wins is delusional to a degree I’ve never seen. He turned the ball over 6 TIMES in those games. What the hell did you watch?

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I’m sorry that you don’t know how sitting down in zone coverage works.

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I know how it works very well. And we dont have a single outside guy that does it the way he is supposed to consistently. The one thing they did do was drop balls and get beat physically in all those games you are blaming squarely on Will.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Wins aren?t a quarterback stat. We won 3 games in spite of him this year. Your argument is ridiculous and we need to find a better option going forward.

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No its not. Offense is a team deal, team stats. There are no squarely individual stats i this game. Facts dont care about your feelings bro

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I know how it works very well. And we dont have a single outside guy that does it the way he is supposed to consistently. The one thing they did do was drop balls and get beat physically in all those games you are blaming squarely on Will.

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Rara is the only person on our team with a poor drop rate. You are either a liar or you don’t know what you’re talking about. At this point I don’t really care which one it is because we have a new OC and I’m excited about it and hopefully he will help our quarterback become serviceable against defenses that don’t suck because our previous one was not able to do that.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Rara is the only person on our team with a poor drop rate. You are either a liar or you don?t know what you?re talking about. At this point I don?t really care which one it is because we have a new OC and I?m excited about it and hopefully he will help our quarterback become serviceable against defenses that don?t suck because our previous one was not able to do that.

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Youre right they were great. How many TDs did Tulu drop? One against Illinois one against Bama I can go on. RaRa was terrible after A&M. And absolutely disappeared vs anyone who played physical. LSU-Bama-UGA-Auburn. How many good routes did Ducking run? He was bad all year long. The worst one. How many times did he flat out quit a route especially over the middle? How many times did Robinson get slapped around? How many bounced off his helmet vs Illinois? Rufus had several drops but he is one of the tougher ones. How many times did Leach throw wills chair around and call out his manhood for all the world to hear? Im sorry that I know this stuff too and that it bothers you that you cant talk down to me about it.

No Coach worth his salt gives a damn about his WRs drop rates or his OL PPF ratings

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Youre right they were great. How many TDs did Tulu drop? One against Illinois one against Bama I can go on. RaRa was terrible after A&M. And absolutely disappeared vs anyone who played physical. LSU-Bama-UGA-Auburn. How many good routes did Ducking run? He was bad all year long. The worst one. How many times did he flat out quit a route especially over the middle? How many times did Robinson get slapped around? How many bounced off his helmet vs Illinois? Rufus had several drops but he is one of the tougher ones. How many times did Leach throw wills chair around and call out his manhood for all the world to hear? Im sorry that I know this stuff too and that it bothers you that you cant talk down to me about it.

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You are emotional because you know the quarterback and that’s fine. Our receivers have moms and dads too and they don’t appreciate your ignorance being spewed on here about their kids either. I know because I talk to one of them daily. I believe our new OC will be good for Will. Blaming our receivers for last year is ignorance in its highest form. You can’t talk anything with anyone. You’re calling out individual plays when we throw the ball way more than anyone else. Of course our receivers had some bad moments. Overall they played very well. Tulu had a better drop rate than Austin Williams. You can’t talk rationally because you’re too close to the situation. I look forward to a scheme change that will help our quarterback.

Another thread, another bucky vs. the world on Will Rogers. Only now he has a burner account to make it look like he's not the only one. Laughable.