We don't have to go away from the air raid...there are good HC and OC's we can get..Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
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We don't have to go away from the air raid...there are good HC and OC's we can get..Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Good blood lines, but man, this seems a stretchQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Is it, though? He is passing game coordinator here and held the same position for a while under his dad at SC. Yes, those are two head coaches who do the play calling, so he hasn't been doing that, but he has been heavily involved and working under great offensive minds for a long time. Seems like he deserves a shot as coordinator somewhere at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Off co? Sure. This was about him being HC though, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I think so also, but I was just pointing out that if we can't find an air raid head coach candidate that is the right fit that we can pull, the next step would likely be to go with a defensive head coach who will hire an air raid OC, not go hire a head coach that will transition away from the air raid. Even if we Tennessee'd up our coaching search, at the end of the day, I don't think it's plausible that we'll go away from the air raid because Arnette with an air raid OC would seem to be a better route than moving away from the air raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by mo7888
Only scenario I could see is if we somehow managed to pull a really good offensive HC with a good track record that is not air raid. I can't even think of what option that would be. Maybe if Gus had an mobile QB he would bring with him through the transfer portal? If we had a gus type QB, I'm not sure if our transition would be that bad because I think we have the skill positions to run it otherwise. Not sure if it would be hard for our existing OL to block for his offense.
Can't think of anybody else that is a reasonably likely candidate to pull that would also be worth us switching offenses for. In the unlikely even that Shane Beamer's wife was dying to move back home and could convince him to come (he's actually not paid much now, but I assume he's done well enough that USCe would pay to keep him), is his track record good enough to want to pay for him? (although I don't think he's tied to an offense so he might be willing to hire an air raid OC)
We're assuming that arnett would wanna run the air raid. He could have a completely different vision for the offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
If he's not going to bring in an air raid OC, then that probably ends his candidacy. Unless he has an OC that can guarantee to bring a QB with him in the portal. Because if you don't get a QB in the transfer portal, what does Will look like in any non-air raid offense in the SEC?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Man, this whole thing just sucks......
See that's what I don't want... if Zach is our guy, then we have to trust him. Him saying I would rather run whatever than air raid shouldn't change whether he's our guy or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
The chances of us getting a "big name" at this juncture is very minimal. We struck gold getting Leach 3 years ago. Doing it again isn't likely to happen. We've got to find the right cultural fit, not just someone who is good at x's and o's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medic601
This whole situation is horrible. I just want Mike Leach here and was looking forward to many more years of him but moving on our program is in serious trouble if we can't get a firm footing soon. We have no AD, no HC and signing day looms. Who's to say that Parson stays? Leach may have been the biggest reason he came here and with the uncertainty now who knows who stays or leaves in our class but I'm worried about our offensive signees.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
On one hand Dan coming back is nice but we never had consistency with DCs and we have a good one right now that apparently loves it here.
We could go splash and pick up someone like Art Briles. Heck AU broke the ice.
I think like others have mentioned that staying within the Air Raid is the best for our team right now and I'd like to see us do that.
Kliff Kingsbury
Leach guy with SEC experience.
In a perfect world...
Not sure he would come back to college, but I would like this offense much more with his running qb and te additionsQuote:
Originally Posted by ImissCityBagel
I think it rests on who is calling us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
If we've sparked the interest of some big names then we pursue those options. And I mean big program changing names like Meyer or Petrino.
Nope. He put Texas Tech in the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImissCityBagel
Since leach left that program, they've basically been a 5-7 to 7-5 program under everyone. Tommy T was a pretty good coach, and he was the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The guy has failed as Head Coach everywhere he's been despite having some of the best QB's to manage. He shouldn't even be in the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImissCityBagel
Arnett will be the interim through the Bowl, then we'll do a search. Obviously it sucks having to make a coaching change in these circumstances, but you HAVE to do your due diligence. That's why we have an President and administration; to be adults and make tough decisions. Ideally we'd hire an AD in the next week or so, that way we can have that person's vision aid Keenum in the process, but I guess we'll see.
We may end up hiring Arnett, but you have to at least look around. I'd think the absolute worst thing we could do to honor Mike's legacy and memory is to make an emotionally hasty hire that ruins the foundation he left us.
My 2 cents.
Dave Bartoo just reminded Chuck Oliver that Zack Arnett?s defense ranked 71st this year. He said Arnett is not a HC and should not be the permanent HC. He said MSU needs to hire a guy who is either a current head coach or who has been a Head Coach in D1 before.
I disagree... if he wanted to run something else we find that out in the interview process and move on... there's no way we go into a teardown mode at this juncture...Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Bartoo can stick his Matrix up his crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
If Benko as AD, he has already hired Helton at Ga Southern. Is Helton's brother the HC at Western KY, and runs the air raid? I am just talking out loud here.
Anyone that thinks we had a bad defense last year did not watch our games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Our defense carried our team and Arnett shut down some solid offenses all year.
I'm not saying I want him as the next HC, but down playing what he did last year is just bullshit.
Agree. A lot of bend but don't break, but they were solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Arnett ate Lane's lunch the entire game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Bartoo isn't making the hire. So who cares what he thinks or says.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
That's an interesting choice. WKU has lit up the stats. 4400 passing yards and 1800 rushing this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Sonny Dykes is currently in the playoffs and could possilby win the NC. I think he'll be a hard get at any salary. He currently makes $6M at TCU but he'll almost certainly get a big raise just for being in the final 4. That said, give him a shot. It doesn't cost anything to ask and negotiate.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Absolutely. Especially in the red zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Ross Dellenger says AD search has been paused.
https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/st...CzrbGm9r0sAAAA
It absolutely has to play into it. A coaching hire is a crap shoot regardless. Even if you feel good about Arnett, there's no way you can justify feeling so good about him that you're ready to go on a two year rebuild, minimum, on offense. If Nick Saban says he wants to take our job tomorrow and run a power spread, sure, pull the trigger. If Gus Malzahn wants to come run his version of the spread, you maybe say yes; you definitely want to hear his plans for QB next year. If you have a promising but relatively inexperienced coordinator saying he wants to tear down and rebuild the offensive side of the ball, and you have other promising but relatively inexperienced coordinators saying they want to build on what we have on both sides of the ball, you don't pick the one that wants to tear it down, because even if you think he's the better candidate, there is no way to be sure enough in that assessment to decide to tear it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we were already in a rebuild situation, that's a different situation. Had we been hiring at a normal time, I'm not sure we'd have been willing to bite the bullet with Leach. Cohen probably would have, but an AD less committed to being unconventional might would have decided we could fix the culture problem without having to turnover the roster and that we had some good pieces to build on.
I'm fine with waiting a few days, but I don't want us waiting till after the holidaysQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Unfortunately, this is all just terrible timing for MSU football.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Could be Keenum is going to make the HC call prior to an AD hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Couldn?t have said it betterQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
May be. He would know more about what best fits MSU than anyone they will bring in as AD, especially if we are going to find someone similar to Coach Leach, which I think we almost have to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
I like your way of thinking - it never hurts to ask! Be proactive, dictate the narrative and not be on the defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
My opinion: Arnett will be the next coach. I believe they've been working to find an offensive coordinator already. I think there will be a couple staff changes & we'll move forward. I would expect a low-end contract with a low-end buyout to cover our asses.
As a State fan and Arnett fan, I think it's the only logical path due to the circumstances.
Where has he failed? Especially in the QB development aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Our players and recruits don't care who the AD is but they do want to know and need to know who their coaches will be, sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by 662dawg