Woody and DJ

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Originally Posted by State82

What a 17ing shit show this has become.

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This I agree with. We seem to always know just how to kill off any momentum we may have at any point. It truly is a remarkable thing.

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Originally Posted by Vandownbytheriver

So I'm assuming you're 100% against how Prime talked to the kids at Colorado then?

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Prime said it to their face.

There's some weird stuff going on. As of this past weekend every thing was looking pretty good. Someone is stirring the pot. Just really strange happenings with this stuff.

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Tweet is real. Leach does not know how to play the game and players are not happy with the double standards. From what I have been told there are standards for the team and standards for one individual player and the rest of the team does not love that.

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Yep. He has never once chewed Will out.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

There's some weird stuff going on. As of this past weekend every thing was looking pretty good. Someone is stirring the pot. Just really strange happenings with this stuff.

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It is weird as hell how everything just went to hell in a matter of a few days. We need an AD in the worst way for damage control if nothing else. This has the possibility of getting completely out of hand. We are going to completely blow any momentum we had after the Egg Bowl if it keeps up.

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Originally Posted by Vandownbytheriver

It is weird as hell how everything just went to hell in a matter of a few days. We need an AD in the worst way for damage control if nothing else. This has the possibility of getting completely out of hand. We are going to completely blow any momentum we had after the Egg Bowl if it keeps up.

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Yeah this week has sucked so far.

Leach shouldn't have said this shit, and DJ shouldn't have posted it under any circumstance for the sake of the team and program.

Leave it us to continue our tradition of being the drama leader of college football.

My guess is he told Leach he was going to the portal and Leach didn't beg him to stay. And that hurt Johnson's feelings.

Leach is always saying the team needs to be more tough. Nothing new there.

Also, you buy into what Leach is doing or you go. Simple as that.

I don't know Dillon Johnson but I met him in the elevator of a friend's daughter's apartment after last year's Egg Bowl and he apologized to us for the game. Seemed like a sincere kid. I hate to lose him.
If Mike Leach had publicly questioned his toughness I would have a big problem with it.
I'm sure other coaches have said similar things to players when they tell them they are leaving the program.

Kinda like how you guessed the lottery numbers.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Good call on neither going to the portal.

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Fair enough. Pretty wild and not a good look. DJ is better than that

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Originally Posted by TorpedoIPA

My guess is he told Leach he was going to the portal and Leach didn't beg him to stay. And that hurt Johnson's feelings.

Leach is always saying the team needs to be more tough. Nothing new there.

Also, you buy into what Leach is doing or you go. Simple as that.

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My guess is that we shouldn't post whatever possibilities our imaginations are capable of conceiving. Insider info is great, "It could maybe possible be this" isn't.

All we KNOW, is that most defensive players want to play another year here, while many offensive players don't. Same NIL funds, same university. There's no way Leach isn't at least some of the problem here imo

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

And if this is how Mike handled it, he might as well go ahead and retire, because he's a ****ing dinosaur if true. A stupid one at that.

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I think it depends on if you want to stay loyal to your principles or not. This system is encouraging kids to be quitters and to care about themselves and no one else.

I am for NIL. I am not for the portal in its current state. The IRS is going to come calling on all this before long. The government is going to get their share

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I certainly believe it.

I mean seriously. DJ has played his ****ing ass off for us. But sure, lets shit on the players and believe Mike...who has shown many times he can be an out of touch petty POS. Why did he get fired from TT, again? Yeah...

There are tons of players in the portal, from all over the country. Not many teams are losing major contributors/starters...and certainly not like this. DJ even got a retweet from RaRa telling him to "come with me".

Sure, just blaming it on the players is easy, but that's some naive BS. Leach isn't above scrutiny. Something is clearly going on.

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There is 2 sides to a story. Leach is not going to give in. He is going to stand by who he is. He is far from a POS. He believes in doing things the right way. And I understand you may think the right way is a different way. The TTU deal was just wrong on TTUs part and that was proven in court. He is not a saint however but neither are these kids. This stuff is definitely pushing no accountability. Not a great value in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by msu15

Yep. He has never once chewed Will out.

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That could not be further from the truth. These takes kill me. Leach chews his ass all the time about changing to a run. But I know you guys will say im lying or defending Will. Just know, that is just blatantly false

Hoo boy. How many times will we hear about this on the sports talk circuit. And no one in place to do damage control.

Sure wish DJ had someone close to him to counsel "take the high road". Now because of one immature misstep, this thing will live in the public domain forever.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I think it depends on if you want to stay loyal to your principles or not. This system is encouraging kids to be quitters and to care about themselves and no one else.

I am for NIL. I am not for the portal in its current state. The IRS is going to come calling on all this before long. The government is going to get their share

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Mike Is in the SEC. This is big boy country. His "principles" are 2nd to our program.

This is a terrible look for all involved. Leach, DJ, the football program. No one looks good in this situation. Outside of our fan base, DJ far and away looks the worst, but Leach does not look great. Inside our fan base, depending on how you feel about Leach, Leach either looks worse or they are both at fault.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Mike Is in the SEC. This is big boy country. His "principles" are 2nd to our program.

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Depends on what his principles are. And if he sticks with them, then up to MSU to decide if they can accept that.

I mean ... AU just hired Hugh Freeze.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Mike Is in the SEC. This is big boy country. His "principles" are 2nd to our program.

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Well I can tell you he is 0 tolerance for stealing hitting women missing class or drugs. We hope none of those applied to DJ. But he is not going to coddle anyone. Those are pretty good principles in my opinion

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Taking credit for your star LB, I see***

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Hey, I had to show my Roy Orbison tatoo to land that recruit.

Believe it or not football at least in my opinion was meant to be about creating good men and fathers and teaching life lessons. The money and social media has changed all that.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Y'all chill. None of us know what happened. We can only speculate. Maybe we'll actually get the facts or maybe we won't. Let's let it all play out.

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What you posted makes sense, but some have their own agendas so some don't want it to play out. All of this is allegedly right now. Nobody knows the scenario on why certain things were said or what type of conversation they had.

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Originally Posted by msu15

Yep. He has never once chewed Will out.

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This is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Well I can tell you he is 0 tolerance for stealing hitting women missing class or drugs. We hope none of those applied to DJ. But he is not going to coddle anyone. Those are pretty good principles in my opinion

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Glad he wasn't here when we recruited Jeff, then.

In this league you've got to he flexible on some things.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Glad he wasn't here when we recruited Jeff, then.

In this league you've got to he flexible on some things.

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Well. Him and his staffs have won enough to stand by his principles. I cant say how I would have handled the Simmons deal. I am for second chances and on the surface Simmons seems like a great guy.

I don?t blame DJ for transferring. I also believe he shouldn?t have put that about Leach in his tweet.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Mike Is in the SEC. This is big boy country. His "principles" are 2nd to our program.

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Lmao. Kids are weak as Charmin these days & people like you are part of the reason why. DJ is obviously pissed off bc Leach didn't beg him to stay. He's easily replaceable.

No way these kids could have played for my high school coaches back in the day. They would have quit the first day of practice. I've been told much worse things than a coach saying "you aren't tough" or whatever was said, if it was even said at all.

I know a few players that played for Freeze & Mullen & I can tell you that if this upset Dillon, then he wouldn't have been able to pay for either of them. Good luck to anyone thinking they're immune to criticism as a college football player.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

What you posted makes sense, but some have their own agendas so some don't want it to play out. All of this is allegedly right now. Nobody knows the scenario on why certain things were said or what type of conversation they had.

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Yes and we'll never know for sure exactly what was said or done.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

Lmao. Kids are weak as Charmin these days & people like you are part of the reason why. DJ is obviously pissed off bc Leach didn't beg him to stay. He's easily replaceable.

No way these kids could have played for my high school coaches back in the day. They would have quit the first day of practice. I've been told much worse things than a coach saying "you aren't tough" or whatever was said, if it was even said at all.

I know a few players that played for Freeze & Mullen & I can tell you that if this upset Dillon, then he wouldn't have been able to pay for either of them. Good luck to anyone thinking they're immune to criticism as a college football player.

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Yep, all my fault.

Just some perspective: we had a running back named Kylin Hill a couple of years ago. Regardless of who was right or wrong off the field, we never missed his production.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

What you posted makes sense, but some have their own agendas so some don't want it to play out. All of this is allegedly right now. Nobody knows the scenario on why certain things were said or what type of conversation they had.

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This exactly. I have "family" that actually plays for Leach right now & will be back next year & he says the players LOVE Coach Leach. This sounds like a situation where he expected Leach to beg him to stay & when it didn't happen he took a criticism from practice or something & ran with it as his way "out". I'll find out more tomorrow about what really happened.

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Originally Posted by Vandownbytheriver

It is weird as hell how everything just went to hell in a matter of a few days. We need an AD in the worst way for damage control if nothing else. This has the possibility of getting completely out of hand. We are going to completely blow any momentum we had after the Egg Bowl if it keeps up.

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Probably one of those "handlers" getting into his head and making him think he is bigger than he really is.

Not sure an AD can fix that.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Well. Him and his staffs have won enough to stand by his principles. I cant say how I would have handled the Simmons deal. I am for second chances and on the surface Simmons seems like a great guy.

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Fair.

We hire Moorhead and he coddles players and the players take advantage of him and we end up with a mess.

Fans want a coach with more discipline.

We hire Leach who brings in more discipline.

Now fans are mad because our coach is too hard on the players.

Nothing better summarizes Mississippi State fans.

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Originally Posted by RisperDawg

Just some perspective: we had a running back named Kylin Hill a couple of years ago. Regardless of who was right or wrong off the field, we never missed his production.

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Yeah and interestingly enough his bad attitude showed up in the NFL.

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

This exactly. I have "family" that actually plays for Leach right now & will be back next year & he says the players LOVE Coach Leach. This sounds like a situation where he expected Leach to beg him to stay & when it didn't happen he took a criticism from practice or something & ran with it as his way "out". I'll find out more tomorrow about what really happened.

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Hard to make 100 guys happy.

I actually like the portal because if a player doesn't want to be here then they can leave. Rather that than have a bad attitude infect the entire team.

The Simmons deal was handled 100% correctly. Simmons got dragged into a Hood dispute and made the mistake guys in his neighborhood make every day. It was a family thing and not a case of a kid being involved in something nefarious. He was given a 2nd chance and told the microscope was on him. He became a campus leader at State, made good grades, and did what people figured he would do. Now he is one of the NFL's top 5 guys on the DL and you dont hear about any trouble from him.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The Simmons deal was handled 100% correctly. Simmons got dragged into a Hood dispute and made the mistake guys in his neighborhood make every day. It was a family thing and not a case of a kid being involved in something nefarious. He was given a 2nd chance and told the microscope was on him. He became a campus leader at State, made good grades, and did what people figured he would do. Now he is one of the NFL's top 5 guys on the DL and you dont hear about any trouble from him.

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Good post. Make more posts like this. Less like ones smelling your own fart.

His dad spoke with my dad in a box at the ETSU game. His dad said he was going likely going pro because they were being a told he was a 4th or 5th round pick. Looks like they got bad advice. Shocker. He wanted big money and we clearly aren?t doing that. We are trying to keep the core as much as possible. This has become an absolute shit show. All I can say is everyone keep contributing.