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08-19-2022, 07:43 PM
KOdawg1

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No, it's not just LT. We've got some issues.

Disagree. Nick Jones, Sharp, Cole Smith/Reese, Kam Jones at LG to RT will be fine. If Dolla handles LT, the OL will be fine
08-19-2022, 10:45 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Honestly in my perfect football world we would be balanced. My favorite offense of all time is the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense from the 80's and early 90's. It was pass first but they could also run the ball. Some of the philosophies that Walsh had are similar to Leach and the Air Raid guys- short passes resulting in long gains with YAC (Jerry Rice) and passes that were extensions of the running game. Attacking space. Some of it of course if very different with the Air Raid.

My hope is that once Leach leaves we will have a good enough handle on the passing game and have that established enough that we can be more balanced with the next coach whoever that is. Realistically speaking we're not going to find coach that throws more than Leach anyway. Even if it is an Air Raid guy.

I agree with attacking downfield more. I think that may improve now that Will has more experience. Will is actually quite accurate on deep passes. So the opportunity is there. Along with that more wheel routes to give us match up advantages. I know that jet sweeps with WR's were in the playbook at one point in time with Leach. We definitely motion into it at times. Tulu or Calvin could be pretty good at running those I would think. Maybe now that we have a more experienced team we'll see some of those things.

When leach leaves the next coach is screwed bc we will have to do a full shift of personnel. And don't tell me the portal will fix it. It can help yes. But we will be behind the 8 ball in a big way.
08-19-2022, 10:54 PM
Hambone

Leach leaving sometime soon?
08-19-2022, 11:17 PM
Coach34

I'd be shocked if he is our coach in 2025
08-20-2022, 12:30 AM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

No, it's not just LT. We've got some issues.

Has there ever been a year when we haven't had issues on the OL?
08-20-2022, 11:25 AM
Ezsoil

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'd be shocked if he is our coach in 2025

While I view him as just a hired hand...culturally he is a good fit here ... 1. He's not looking for a better job 2. He likes small towns 3. He has won with less in every situation he has been in. 4. Of his 18 conference games, the team has had a chance to win in all but 4 of them ...
that is something MSU a fans have NEVER had... a chance to come back in a game even against ranked teams even on the road.

At the end of the day, most of us just want to see competitive football... he has surpassed Mullen in my book ..that being said, it does trouble me that some in the Athletic Department aren't sold on him.....to those who aren't sold on him ... what does he not provide that you think a head coach should ? And then my next question would be ...who would be willing to come to Starkville MS in the current NIL environment ?

Fact is we have the best coach for our situation
08-20-2022, 11:46 AM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

While I view him as just a hired hand...culturally he is a good fit here ... 1. He's not looking for a better job 2. He likes small towns 3. He has won with less in every situation he has been in. 4. Of his 18 conference games, the team has had a chance to win in all but 4 of them ...
that is something MSU a fans have NEVER had... a chance to come back in a game even against ranked teams even on the road.

At the end of the day, most of us just want to see competitive football... he has surpassed Mullen in my book ..that being said, it does trouble me that some in the Athletic Department aren't sold on him.....to those who aren't sold on him ... what does he not provide that you think a head coach should ? And then my next question would be ...who would be willing to come to Starkville MS in the current NIL environment ?

Fact is we have the best coach for our situation

Rep, good post.
08-20-2022, 12:19 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Rep, good post.

Ehhh except the better than Mullen part. That is a ridiculous statement at this point. Like absolutely ludicrous thing to say
08-20-2022, 12:24 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Ehhh except the better than Mullen part. That is a ridiculous statement at this point. Like absolutely ludicrous thing to say

So you're a Mullen fan?
08-20-2022, 01:23 PM
Ezsoil

[QUOTE=DEDawg;1441283]Ehhh except the better than Mullen part. That is a ridiculous statement at this point. Like absolutely ludicrous thing to say[/

Well Mullen did change the culture and did some wonderful things ... he got people to show up, he encouraged wearing Maroon, he won the games he was supposed to and ....early on....beat Ole Miss.... he mastered the formula to get bowl eligible. But he rarely beat a team that finished the season in the top 25.... in fact, Leach matched Mullen's nine year total (3) last year alone. From that standpoint and the fact that Leach wants to here and fits here ...I'd say that Leach is better than Mullen..
08-20-2022, 01:38 PM
TrapGame

Mike Leach is back in the SEC. That's what he's wanted for a while. He will retire after this job. And he'll be here longer than 2025.
08-20-2022, 01:43 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Mike Leach is back in the SEC. That's what he's wanted for a while. He will retire after this job. And he'll be here longer than 2025.

Conditioned upon him not losing to U of Mississippi 6 straight years.
08-20-2022, 02:29 PM
BuckyIsAB****

We just have to stay healthy?I am getting concerned
08-20-2022, 03:06 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

We just have to stay healthy?I am getting concerned

Anyone else besides Crumedy / Forbes?
08-20-2022, 03:30 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by Catfish

So you're a Mullen fan?

Uh I guess. The same I?m a fan of any MSU coach. What an odd response
08-20-2022, 03:33 PM
DEDawg

[QUOTE=Ezsoil;1441285]

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Ehhh except the better than Mullen part. That is a ridiculous statement at this point. Like absolutely ludicrous thing to say[/

Well Mullen did change the culture and did some wonderful things ... he got people to show up, he encouraged wearing Maroon, he won the games he was supposed to and ....early on....beat Ole Miss.... he mastered the formula to get bowl eligible. But he rarely beat a team that finished the season in the top 25.... in fact, Leach matched Mullen's nine year total (3) last year alone. From that standpoint and the fact that Leach wants to here and fits here ...I'd say that Leach is better than Mullen..

I mean who am I to say you are wrong but comparing a coach who completely turned our program around from perennial bottom dweller to number 1 in the country to a coach who hasn?t beat ole miss yet? thats wild to me
08-20-2022, 03:43 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

While I view him as just a hired hand...culturally he is a good fit here ... 1. He's not looking for a better job 2. He likes small towns 3. He has won with less in every situation he has been in. 4. Of his 18 conference games, the team has had a chance to win in all but 4 of them ...
that is something MSU a fans have NEVER had... a chance to come back in a game even against ranked teams even on the road.

At the end of the day, most of us just want to see competitive football... he has surpassed Mullen in my book ..that being said, it does trouble me that some in the Athletic Department aren't sold on him.....to those who aren't sold on him ... what does he not provide that you think a head coach should ? And then my next question would be ...who would be willing to come to Starkville MS in the current NIL environment ?

Fact is we have the best coach for our situation

In the current college football environment EVERY coach should be viewed as a hired hand and EVERY player should be viewed as a hired hand. I will say that Leach is way more loyal than most and there is a good chance he finishes his career here. He had long stops at both his other HC gigs and might still be at TX Tech today without the farce that forced him out. And I agree that we have about the best coach we could have given the NIL situation. A lot of players are very interested in playing for Leach who everyone knows as a coaching legend at this point. Can u imagine us trying to attract players in this environment with a Joe Judge as our HC? We owe a lot to the NY Giants for saving our asses.
08-20-2022, 04:43 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Tater

Anyone else besides Crumedy / Forbes?

Marks/ankle is the only one I'm hearing
08-20-2022, 05:10 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Marks/ankle is the only one I'm hearing

Cant lose him for long
08-20-2022, 05:24 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Cant lose him for long

What's the word? Sprain?
08-20-2022, 05:41 PM
R2Dawg

Dang injuries just like other years when we come into fall loaded the injury bug hits.

Crumedy and Forbes should be only getting light duty in fall camp anyway. They have proved their worth. One a potential AA and other best DT on team and potential ASEC. Wonder how it happened.
08-20-2022, 05:51 PM
memsu06

I don't get some of you Leach haters. This is only his 3rd year and you want him gone? One of those years was the COVID year that screwed up implementation of everything from the offense, defense, conditioning, etc.

Leach has a proven track record of doing more with less. That's where we are in the SEC world. We aren't going to hire Nick Saban. We run an unconventional offense and defense that teams have to prepare for. This season sets us up quite nice with several trap games against our opponents. I'm thinking Leach steals a few wins this season because of it.

Look at the coaches that were hired the year Mullen left. Only a few are actually doing well and several are either fired or on the hot seat.

Coaching hires are a crapshoot anyway. Jimbo Fisher isn't exactly tearing it up over at TAMU. So, not sure who you think you're going to replace Leach with.

Leach is a solid head coach that will get the most out of his players. When's the last time we had 4-4 Star QBs on the roster. We currently have the best receiver room we've had since at least 2014 or a long time before then.

Leach and the staff are doing what they need to. We may not have many standout players, but our entire roster is not bad at all.
08-20-2022, 05:53 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Mike Leach is back in the SEC. That's what he's wanted for a while. He will retire after this job. And he'll be here longer than 2025.

I agree he will retire at State. I just think as he gets closer to 65, Key West and his millions in the bank will be reason enough to give it up
08-20-2022, 06:10 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by memsu06

I don't get some of you Leach haters. This is only his 3rd year and you want him gone? One of those years was the COVID year that screwed up implementation of everything from the offense, defense, conditioning, etc.

Leach has a proven track record of doing more with less. That's where we are in the SEC world. We aren't going to hire Nick Saban. We run an unconventional offense and defense that teams have to prepare for. This season sets us up quite nice with several trap games against our opponents. I'm thinking Leach steals a few wins this season because of it.

Look at the coaches that were hired the year Mullen left. Only a few are actually doing well and several are either fired or on the hot seat.

Coaching hires are a crapshoot anyway. Jimbo Fisher isn't exactly tearing it up over at TAMU. So, not sure who you think you're going to replace Leach with.

Leach is a solid head coach that will get the most out of his players. When's the last time we had 4-4 Star QBs on the roster. We currently have the best receiver room we've had since at least 2014 or a long time before then.

Leach and the staff are doing what they need to. We may not have many standout players, but our entire roster is not bad at all.

I don't hate leach; but I've come to the conclusion that we can't win big no matter who we have now, so I prefer a coach that runs a style that's fun to watch
08-20-2022, 07:33 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by memsu06

I don't get some of you Leach haters. This is only his 3rd year and you want him gone? One of those years was the COVID year that screwed up implementation of everything from the offense, defense, conditioning, etc.

Leach has a proven track record of doing more with less. That's where we are in the SEC world. We aren't going to hire Nick Saban. We run an unconventional offense and defense that teams have to prepare for. This season sets us up quite nice with several trap games against our opponents. I'm thinking Leach steals a few wins this season because of it.

Look at the coaches that were hired the year Mullen left. Only a few are actually doing well and several are either fired or on the hot seat.

Coaching hires are a crapshoot anyway. Jimbo Fisher isn't exactly tearing it up over at TAMU. So, not sure who you think you're going to replace Leach with.

Leach is a solid head coach that will get the most out of his players. When's the last time we had 4-4 Star QBs on the roster. We currently have the best receiver room we've had since at least 2014 or a long time before then.

Leach and the staff are doing what they need to. We may not have many standout players, but our entire roster is not bad at all.

Leach is the perfect fit here but some people think if you aren't running the ball every other play you're not playing football.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I agree he will retire at State. I just think as he gets closer to 65, Key West and his millions in the bank will be reason enough to give it up

Key West and his millions right now are reason enough to give it up. He's still coaching. He loves coaching and will coach several years past 65.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I don't hate leach; but I've come to the conclusion that we can't win big no matter who we have now, so I prefer a coach that runs a style that's fun to watch

Fun to watch? I was having the time of my life watching us score 40 unanswered points on Auburn. There is no way in Hell we could have come back on Auburn like that with Mullen running Holloway up the middle and Fitz on 3rd and long. We've both seen that movie too many times.
08-20-2022, 07:47 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Fun to watch? I was having the time of my life watching us score 40 unanswered points on Auburn. There is no way in Hell we could have come back on Auburn like that with Mullen running Holloway up the middle and Fitz on 3rd and long. We've both seen that movie too many times.

Auburn was fun. You didnt mention the 2 following games vs real players.

Mullen's style was better, but id prefer something like clawson's. I'd prefer a more balanced approach that looks to hit big plays in the passing game.

ETA... leach is hardly a bad coach. He's good in fact, so I'm not stumping to fire him. Just given a choice, I'd prefer a different type offense.
08-20-2022, 10:40 PM
BuckyIsAB****

Marks wont miss any time. Crumedy will be back by LSU and Forbes could go if we need him to. Key word is need. Nothing major except Crumedy. But he will be back. Could be a lot worse but It just seems like they all hit at once
08-20-2022, 11:38 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Marks wont miss any time. Crumedy will be back by LSU and Forbes could go if we need him to. Key word is need. Nothing major except Crumedy. But he will be back. Could be a lot worse but It just seems like they all hit at once

Thanks - if we can stay here that's about as good as ever entering the season,
08-21-2022, 09:56 AM
Cooterpoot

Lewis is probably going to miss the season due to injury. He's the only concern at this point.
08-21-2022, 10:06 AM
Hambone

Percy Lewis? John Lewis?
08-21-2022, 11:26 AM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Lewis is probably going to miss the season due to injury. He's the only concern at this point.

Yeah throwing out a Lewis here isn't cool. Certainly hope you are referring to John. Sound like a jerk to say that.
08-21-2022, 11:56 AM
TrapGame

John Lewis, so everybody knows.
08-22-2022, 09:09 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

You know what kind of offense I like to watch? The kind that results in winning.

Leach has done historic levels of winning everywhere he's been.

Look at his time here: we ALL agreed whatever coach followed JoMo would have a lost year due to culture issues. An Leach sucked in 2020, but fixed the culture. Then in 2021 we were a FG kicker away from 9-3. Considering our FG kicker was good in 2020 and sucked in 21 because of an injury, I think it's reasonable to say Leach cannot be blamed for not getting a transfer. But guess what? He did get a transfer this year, because Leach adreses our weaknesses as he sees them.

We have 4* Qbs. WRs are talented. OL has adjusted to the scheme, seems well coached, and we're recruiting well there. Defense is well coached and recruiting is about the same as always there. Leach is good at using the Portal.

What do you guys want from him?? An offense you personally like watching? All I care about is the scoreboard. If were lose by 20, I'm not having much fun that 2nd half. If we win by literally anything, then the game was a good one to watch. Who cares?

I don't see this debate about defense- nobody cares if a DC runs a 3-3 or a 3-4 etc, as long as the stats are good we like that DC. But offense has to be the style you like?

And for the "were so screwed when Mullen leaves" crowd... remember how we hated jomo for running his system, instead of adapting to the players he had? Like we said then, a good coach adjusts to his players. The guy that replaces Leach will have multiple 4* QBs (including dual threats) an OL that's very good at pass pro, and very good WRs. If he cant make an offense work around that because he's missing a TE/high 4* RB, he's not a good coach. He'll, the portal can solve any TE or RB issue immediately. Leach may be a system guy but he's bringing in a lot of talent that will translate well to any system
08-22-2022, 09:15 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

You know what kind of offense I like to watch? The kind that results in winning.

Leach has done historic levels of winning everywhere he's been.

Look at his time here: we ALL agreed whatever coach followed JoMo would have a lost year due to culture issues. An Leach sucked in 2020, but fixed the culture. Then in 2021 we were a FG kicker away from 9-3. Considering our FG kicker was good in 2020 and sucked in 21 because of an injury, I think it's reasonable to say Leach canyon be blamed for not getting a transfer. But guess what? He did get a transfer this year, because Leach adreses our weaknesses as he sees them.

We have 4* Qbs. WRs are talented. OL has adjusted to the scheme, seems well coached, and we're recruiting well there. Defense is well coached and recruiting is about the same as its always been there. Leach is good at using the Portal.

What do you guys want from him?? An offense you personally like watching? All I care about is the scoreboard. Of were lose by 20, I'm not having much fun that 2nd half. If we win by literally anything, then the game was a good one to watch. Who cares? I don't see this debate about defense- nobody cares if a DC runs a 3-3 or a 3-4 etc, as long as the stats are good we like that DC. But offense has to be the style you like?

And for all the "were so screwed when Mullen leaves" crowd... remember how we hated jomo for running g his system, instead of adapti g to the players he had? Like we said then, a good coaches adjusts to his players. The guy that replaces Leach will have multiple 4* QBs (including dual threats) an OL that's very good at pass pro, and very good WRs. If he can't for an offense around that because he's missing a TE/high 4* RB, he's not a good coach. He'll, the portal can solve any TE or RB issue immediately.

I just hate we didn't have Leach for a few more years before NIL took off. I think we're better off with Leach than probably any other coach because of his offense but I don't think it's going to be enough to make a difference unless something changes with NIL.

Also, how we transition when he leaves is a good argument against Leach I think. We are going to go with another air raid based coach (which luckily there are a decent number of options now) or we are going to go through a painful rebuild. The portal may help or hurt with that. On the one hand, we'll be able to get transfers to fit whatever scheme we are going with, but good players that came for the air raid will transfer out, even if they would be a decent fit for the new scheme. But you can't really make your choices on a coaching hire based on how the transition will look when he leaves.
08-22-2022, 09:22 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

You know what kind of offense I like to watch? The kind that results in winning.

Leach has done historic levels of winning everywhere he's been.

Look at his time here: we ALL agreed whatever coach followed JoMo would have a lost year due to culture issues. An Leach sucked in 2020, but fixed the culture. Then in 2021 we were a FG kicker away from 9-3. Considering our FG kicker was good in 2020 and sucked in 21 because of an injury, I think it's reasonable to say Leach cannot be blamed for not getting a transfer. But guess what? He did get a transfer this year, because Leach adreses our weaknesses as he sees them.

We have 4* Qbs. WRs are talented. OL has adjusted to the scheme, seems well coached, and we're recruiting well there. Defense is well coached and recruiting is about the same as always there. Leach is good at using the Portal.

What do you guys want from him?? An offense you personally like watching? All I care about is the scoreboard. If were lose by 20, I'm not having much fun that 2nd half. If we win by literally anything, then the game was a good one to watch. Who cares?

I don't see this debate about defense- nobody cares if a DC runs a 3-3 or a 3-4 etc, as long as the stats are good we like that DC. But offense has to be the style you like?

And for the "were so screwed when Mullen leaves" crowd... remember how we hated jomo for running his system, instead of adapting to the players he had? Like we said then, a good coach adjusts to his players. The guy that replaces Leach will have multiple 4* QBs (including dual threats) an OL that's very good at pass pro, and very good WRs. If he cant make an offense work around that because he's missing a TE/high 4* RB, he's not a good coach. He'll, the portal can solve any TE or RB issue immediately. Leach may be a system guy but he's bringing in a lot of talent that will translate well to any system

The fact is we aren't winning big again. Taking this into consideration, all you really have is the entertainment factor, so if I don't consider the product entertaining, why go? I've used all my travel weekends the last few years to watch the saints and braves, who I consider much more entertaining, along with more to do in the area of the games.

Again, leach has done a solid job, and I'm not advocating to fire him. Just a personal preference on my part
08-22-2022, 09:30 AM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The fact is we aren't winning big again. Taking this into consideration, all you really have is the entertainment factor, so if I don't consider the product entertaining, why go? I've used all my travel weekends the last few years to watch the saints and braves, who I consider much more entertaining, along with more to do in the area of the games.

Again, leach has done a solid job, and I'm not advocating to fire him. Just a personal preference on my part

We were never going to win a Natty, not sire why you're just now accepting that.

As for entertainment value, I consider 9-3 more entertaining than 8-4. Don't you?
08-22-2022, 09:40 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

We were never going to win a Natty, not sire why you're just now accepting that.

As for entertainment value, I consider 9-3 more entertaining than 8-4. Don't you?

Not necessarily. I enjoyed us better in 2009 than in 2012.
08-22-2022, 10:32 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

We were never going to win a Natty, not sire why you're just now accepting that.

As for entertainment value, I consider 9-3 more entertaining than 8-4. Don't you?

I don't know how anyone could refute this ... winning is much more fun and I couldn't care less if it's through the air or on the ground
08-22-2022, 10:40 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

I don't know how anyone could refute this ... winning is much more fun and I couldn't care less if it's through the air or on the ground

Did you enjoy 2012 (8-4) with Russell throwing it in the picket or 2013 (7-5) with dak running and throwing? Maybe you're the opposite, but if you aren't winning big, style matters.

ETA... now obviously, if we get to a NY6 bowl, style is much less important to me. If the difference is liberty and music though, does it even matter?
08-22-2022, 10:43 AM
HancockCountyDog

I enjoyed the second half of the AU game as much as any game I have watched in the last 10 years.

I did not enjoy the egg bowl at all.

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