Bragging about your own bad reading ability is a weird flex but okQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
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Bragging about your own bad reading ability is a weird flex but okQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
We're 12-4 (3-1) with our 2nd best player having played 6 games & our best bench scorer not being healthy all year. Yes we've had 1 really frustrating loss (OM) & 1 game where we gave away a chance at big win (Colorado St). People want to act like we've been bad or under achieved all year are just incorrect.
I agree, we beat a good team last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I have said it for years , we Have some of the dumbest fans when it comes to hoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
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Originally Posted by Tater
I gave reading your long post a punchers chance but I just lost interest.
Our hoops fan base IQ is very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
1 nitpick, I think Brooks is better than Tolu. Tolu isn't a very good defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
In the P&R no doubt Garrison is a better defender. Around the rim give me Tolu. Bigger Centers would feast on Garrison in this league. Brooks from OM just dominated Bc he was just so much bigger. I think they actually compliment each other well on both ends. I do need Garrison to get his stroke from 3 back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
It?s because most fans don?t understand the analytics and metrics of basketball and how that effects your seeding. Most fans see 4 stars and assume that because we have 4 stars we should win every game. They dont realize that in college basketball the home team wins 72% of the time. So when we lose at Ole Miss the world melts but in reality its just hard to win on the road especially in conference. They also don?t realize that losing on the road doesn?t hurt you one bit in seeding which is all that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Very correct..Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Florida isn't a good rebounding or 3-pt shooting team. On the road, but seems like a decent matchup for us
I'm curious to see how we handle their big man. He ain't as good as guy at Aub but will be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So you're bragging about having such little concentration that you can't read a couple paragraphs? You can't say you lost interest because you responded anyways and that took interest on your part.... It's a dumb brag and a bad putdown. Poor execution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
He repeated the same thing you said and you just said very correct to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
What redundancy lmao. I think you might actually have some cognitive misfires you should get checked out by a doctor. Or are you of the opinion that therapy is for the weak?
Looking back the OM game may be an outlier. If we continue to ply well with Tolu back, maybe that was the main reason for the head scratchers when he was out. We looked really bad at times. We should have the talent to compete with a key guy out. Can one person really make that much of a difference, mainly in the effort category? The last two games look that way. Hopefully it continues.
I will give it a punchers chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
I initially thought the same thing until seeing Brooks disappear alot this season. He did have a good game against Bama though. If he can finish the season playing anywhere close to how he played his Junior year at UNC we will be a tough out with those two in the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Need to win OM and TTQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
How does a Q1 win drop us what the hellQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Man, I have no idea. We got a Q1 and Q2 win Saturday with ark moving up. Nevertheless, it's in our hands now... if we keep winning, we'll make itQuote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
This year? No, we have been respectable so far. We have under achieved under Howland though if you go by talent. That is why I and a lot of fans have taken a wait and see approach. The Alabama game is the type of game we usually lose under Howland but with that win I have bought in. This team might be different than his prior teams hopefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
This team has nothing to do with the past though. They're being punished for something they didn't do. The fact our fans have required this program to win at a certain level before they support is crazy to me. Then it only takes 1 loss for fans to just say oh well we don't care again just doesn't sit well with me. That horse has been beaten to death though so I'll move along.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
The fact our fans have required this program to win at a certain level before they support is crazy to me. Then it only takes 1 loss for fans to just say oh well we don't care again just doesn't sit well with me.
Amen!!!
Thank you for saying this! I've said it multiple times on multiple threads about all of our sports. I genuinely don't understand how people call themselves fans... but when we are losing its "I'm not supporting this team anymore" "If they start winning the fans will come back" mentality. That's not what being a fan means.. You love and support your team through ups and downs no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
The end of Stans' tenure soured much of our fanbase on the program and began the 'Ugh, these guys don't care' thought. Then the Rick Ray years convinced them there was no need to care about the team anymore.
It will take more than making a Tourney every once in a while to bring them all the way back.
Excellent post..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
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Originally Posted by smootness
Which again makes these people the dumbest of all of our fans..
In addition to souring existing fans the end of Stansbury and the Ray era produced a lot of alumni who don't give a damn about basketball. My daughter attended State from 2012-2017 and probably attended 2 basketball games. Those students during those years became alumni who don't care about basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I graduated in 1993 and I was probably a bigger fan of our basketball program than football.
Everybody else moves up and down around us. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreCowbell
Maybe, but it's pretty easy to see how it happened. It's not like our basketball program has produced much to be excited about over the last 10+ years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Yeah, I don't get the shock. When we suck in football attendance drops...were there not bigger crowds during Vic's tenure than there are now on the Women's side?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I mean, I get it, in a perfect world we pack out every stadium regardless of how shitty the product is because "that's what fans are supposed to do"....but that isn't reality. We were far more exciting to watch, even when we lost, during the Stans years, and we had bigger crowds. It's entertainment at the end of the day, and even when we win, the Howland teams aren't that fun to watch. Is what it is.
Again, not saying it's ideal...but to say I'm surprised would be a lie. Winning helps, putting an exciting brand of basketball on the court helps a ton too though.
Another example...I hated watching Cohen's teams play bc the small ball was atrocious. I ended up watching a ton bc we started winning and I love college baseball, but there was nothing exciting about watching that style of play.
He was quoting what IYOK posted and I agree too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN
Howland has won enough to get more support than he's gotten. I think you can agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
That's just it. No one is asking for sold out crowds. 3-4K crowds for SEC games are embarrassing. If we could consistently have 6-8k fans for SEC games it would be huge. That's all I'm asking for. This team has won enough for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I can't remember who it was that posted some comparative stats for our teams over the years (probably Todd; if it was someone else, I apologize), but seeing that the 2013 team only had like 32 or so HRs (with Hunter getting 16 of them) compared to the 70+ we hit this year, with 5 guys in the order with double digits, was definitely eye opening, and certainly more fun, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Dingers are fun, but even last year it never felt like they were our bread and butter.
True, and I think we'll see a big crowd Saturday and going forward hopefully. Unfortunately we dont have another Saturday home game for like a month after Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I hope you're right. I'll say this & leave it alone. If things this season hold like they should, this would be the 4th time in the last 5 seasons that we'd finish top half of the SEC. This program deserves more support. Again not sellouts but 6-8k consistently for SEC games isn't an unreasonable expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Marketing sucks. Product is uninspiring and bland basketball. Success is non-existent, our last Tourney win was 14 years ago. There was a better show in town for a while. Covid kinda still is a thing whether we want it to be or not. The seating arrangement is ass for both Students and long time ticket holders who were alienated with the reseating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Yea you've got your 5k or so die-hards that make every game that's feasible, but you're average poster here isn't reality. You've got dumbasses like Ari calling people stupid for not supporting this when he clearly hasn't spoken to anyone other than a mirror since march 2020.
How the hell do you sell going to a basketball game to someone who doesn't go right now? Why make the drive, fight awful traffic, pay for parking, watch an uninspiring product, most likely get disappointed, fight awful traffic back... all the while in the middle of a pandemic. Because of a sense of duty to the school? That may work on you, me, or your average forum poster. But it doesn't work on the average joe. What incentive are we giving kids to come?
You can say I'm complaining and nitpicking and spoiled, but I'm telling you people who point these things out aren't speaking about things that stop them. I'm telling you what stops my fellow alumni, what stops students now. The Griss got packed out for volleyball when those girls kicked it up a notch. The Hump got packed out when those girls kicked it into overdrive. The mens team just isn't doing anything to inspire the sidewalk fan.
Part of the problem is the marketing of everything but baseball needs an overhaul. I'm about to the point myself where I'm gonna just bang on Cohen's door to let me help set up a school program to revolutionize State's digital content and vastly improve social media presence. I do similar shit for a living and have almost built up enough of a nest egg to take on a passion job at a big pay cut to fix this mess.
But really, I'm curious how you people think you can attract someone to going to these games that currently has 0 interest other than "school duty." I'll hang up and listen.
I'll admit, I'm one of the ones complaining about the low attendance but your post makes alot of sense. I don't have the answers either, but I know crowd sizes and fan support also affects recruitingQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Yep. And anyone can point out a problem like several here have done. But we pay big bucks for problem solvers and project managers who can engineer solutions. (By we, I mean America, not State. State still hasn't done the first step. Identify that there's a problem.)Quote:
Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN