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06-22-2020, 10:37 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Most southerners fought because an army was headed their way. I'm for the flag because they (the modern communists) are against it, simple as that.

Lol, ok Capt. Revisionist.
06-22-2020, 10:42 PM
Rex54

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Lol, ok Capt. Revisionist.

Fat loser commie
06-22-2020, 10:45 PM
bobcat91

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Bleeding only maroon is ultimately the issue. That's NOT the only color. It's not the only experience. And you can feel that way. But when there are folks at his own school telling him he can go to hell, go f himself, or go to a HBCU, then yes, I would say that takes a lot of balls.

There's a lot of grown men on this board that wouldn't be able to handle that. Bringing harm to MSU because he threatens to not play one season of football? Seems a tad overkill to call it that when discussing larger societal impacts like this one

I called him a drama queen. He is. I said he could leave if he wants. He can. When you can explain how it wasnt an issue for 3 years for him, but all of a sudden is now, I'll listen. He lead the SEC in rushing last year while the flag was in its present form. He had no complaints. Now it's a crisis. No, I frankly dont care about his latest tirade. From wanting to leave, to his love of Mullen to this says more about him than anything else. Look up the word narcissist.
06-22-2020, 10:45 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Fat loser commie

Aw, you wound me. Glad you've specified your comment, actually. So, just to be clear....according to you, anyone who wants to change the state flag are commies?
06-22-2020, 10:51 PM
Rex54

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Aw, you wound me. Glad you've specified your comment, actually. So, just to be clear....according to you, anyone who wants to change the state flag are commies?

Not all who want to change it are commies/cultural Marxists
But all commies/cultural marxists want it changed.
06-22-2020, 11:00 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Would you have said something different to this if Elgton Jenkins had been the one to say this? Or Fletcher Cox?

I'm a teacher and an administrator. So we aren't that dissimilar. I would run through walls for my kids. I've been there for them and told them they need to persevere. And you are right. One man is not bigger than the team. But there are certain societal ideals that are bigger than football. Race and the perception of racial injustice is one of those. It's an issue and it's not going away. Kid is trying to advocate for a little progress and change. I applaud him for that.

My big question is did he clearance to do this. I think that's the real question worth asking. Did he do it himself or did the university give him the ok?

Do you expect elgton or fletcher to sit out in protest until it's changed? They are from MS too. I wonder if any other MS professional athletes will. And if not, why would they not.
06-22-2020, 11:18 PM
hacker

Imagine if our population was close to half Jewish and we were the last state with a swastika on our flag.

Football takes a backseat to this.
06-23-2020, 06:02 AM
msstatelp1

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Most southerners fought because an army was headed their way. I'm for the flag because they (the modern communists) are against it, simple as that.

Yeah if those Yankee bastards at Fort Sumter hadn't fired on South Carolina, we wouldn't be in this situation right now! Do I need the /s?
06-23-2020, 06:05 AM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I am not attacking the kid I am telling the truth. And as far as dealing with people of color I deal with all peoples. Young peoples. And I treat everyone of them the exact same. And if they are attention starved prima donnas who want to be catered too and patted on the back 24/7, twitter all stars and but limping off the field every 4 plays then I would hold them accountable. Stop making every little thing about race.

Marcus Murphy has been great other than tutorgate notice I have not said a word against him because I know the kind of kid he is. The Hail State family goes both ways. If you are willing to walk out on us over a symbol of a flag that has not even been flown on campus in years then you are probably more of the problem than you would like to admit. Marks is ready and willing to take your carries and there will be another kid hungry for a scholarship and that monthly stipend. Has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin. I am from MS too and I would not walk out on my kids over something like this. That is what makes football great. All of that should go away in the locker room and especially in the huddle. It does not mean a thing between the lines. I know life is bigger than football and I want all our athletes to feel welcomed but I also want them to love MSU and it be about we not me

Change the flag, yesterday!

Agreed, most of these people would read his twitter and feel totally opposite of their stance on this issue when compared to how he views the rest of the world. When has Hill ever shown to be a leader and now all of a sudden he's this great leader? Hill also is apparently against cops. Is it ok for me to disagree with him or is that racist?

Are things perfect in Mississippi? Hell no, but I'm tired of everyone, including Mississippians that have left the state, telling us how terrible it is. Most people no matter the color I come across just want to work hard, earn their check, and take care of theirs. The majority of the people in this state are good, but it's the politics that have kept the state back. Changing the flag is a good start, I just hope people don't buy into changing the flag solves all our issues. One thing I've seen working in the delta, is that poor doesn't have a color and most just need a chance to reach up.

Man, we picked the worst time to hire a majority white football staff.
06-23-2020, 07:11 AM
FISHDAWG

lets just rip all the pages out of the history books while we are at it then we won't have to keep going through all this
06-23-2020, 07:23 AM
Dawgology

The flag needs to be changed. There is nothing...absolutely nothing...that the state or it's residents gain from it. It is hurting business, it offends a large majority of our population, and now it is impacting sports. Not to mention it just underscores the nationwide perception of Mississippi.

Someone name me one way that our current flag actually BENEFITS the state and all of it's residents. Seriously. It's a challenge. Name it. One way.
06-23-2020, 07:52 AM
chef dixon

The sad part is people start using Kylin's twitter track record as a justification for not fully supporting the right thing to do. If you truly want the flag to be changed, truly believe you are not racist, and truly believe you want all races equal, it would be a no brainer to support Kylin on this issue. If you think he is being dramatic and not a team player, then it reeks of "shut up and play." I don't feel I have a right to put my self interest as a fan of MSU above his, especially when I don't know what he's been through.
06-23-2020, 07:57 AM
ZedFedder

If you go back and look at Kylin’s tweets since this tweet, I don’t think you have to worry about him playing. Also, he is doing the right thing.
06-23-2020, 08:52 AM
Gutter Cobreh

It would appear that some in this thread are threatened because a college kid that plays football has more influence to potentially force change than they do themselves.
06-23-2020, 09:03 AM
bluelightstar

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Can anyone answer me why BLM and national media are not concerned about the 5 black kids killed this past weekend in shootings? 2 were 3 years old. Not one word. Crickets. Seriously?

People are being played like fools by the movement.

I know you don't actually care about those 5 black kids and want to use them as props, but the people responsible will be, you know, arrested and held accountable. That too often doesn't happen in other contexts, which is the whole point of everything that is going on.
06-23-2020, 09:08 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

The sad part is people start using Kylin's twitter track record as a justification for not fully supporting the right thing to do. If you truly want the flag to be changed, truly believe you are not racist, and truly believe you want all races equal, it would be a no brainer to support Kylin on this issue. If you think he is being dramatic and not a team player, then it reeks of "shut up and play." I don't feel I have a right to put my self interest as a fan of MSU above his, especially when I don't know what he's been through.

Support on the issue? Absolutely, yes. I hope we all support Kylin on the issue of changing the state flag.

Agree with a certain manner of protest? That's a tougher call.

Whether or not to support the manner in which a protest is carried out is a complicated issue. I'm not sure it's fair to say a person doesn't want the flag changed and doesn't want all races to be equal just because that person doesn't agree with sitting out games as the way one should protest the state flag.

As long as a person acknowledges and respects (as opposed to agreeing with) Kylins right to protest by sitting out games, I can't call that person a racist who doesn't want the flag changed just because that person doesn't agree with Kylins form of protest. That goes against open dialogue.
06-23-2020, 09:15 AM
MaroonFlounder

Get ready for the Lee Witherspoon show, because the idiots in the state legislature are not going to change a damn thing.
06-23-2020, 09:37 AM
SheltonChoked

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Again, I could see his stance if anybody at MSU had anything to do with keeping the flag. But they don't. But he's willing to hurt the football team and all those that depend on their being football for their livelihood for something none of them have any input on.

And we can let fear of what's next guide our decisions now. Like I said in my first post, the only reason the majority of the people here are fine with his stance is because you agree with him. If he said he wasn't playing until all males that identified as females could go in women's locker rooms and shower beside your daughter then probably not. You can't let whether or not you agree with the particular issue at hand determine whether it is right or not because next time the tables will be turned.

You don't think that the MSU Alumni voices matter to the elected officials?

Stop with the stupid strawmen. It should not be shocking that a black man in Mississippi is against a symbol of white supremacy....
06-23-2020, 09:39 AM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Support on the issue? Absolutely, yes. I hope we all support Kylin on the issue of changing the state flag.

Agree with a certain manner of protest? That's a tougher call.

Whether or not to support the manner in which a protest is carried out is a complicated issue. I'm not sure it's fair to say a person doesn't want the flag changed and doesn't want all races to be equal just because that person doesn't agree with sitting out games as the way one should protest the state flag.

As long as a person acknowledges and respects (as opposed to agreeing with) Kylins right to protest by sitting out games, I can't call that person a racist who doesn't want the flag changed just because that person doesn't agree with Kylins form of protest. That goes against open dialogue.

But that's not what a lot of people doing. They are basically telling him to go screw himself and get out. There also tends to be a problem with the form of protest for a lot of people when it may actually be powerful enough to make change.
06-23-2020, 10:18 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

But that's not what a lot of people doing. They are basically telling him to go screw himself and get out.

Then those people are wrong and are being intolerant. But likewise, I think we are being intolerant and wrong if we paint everyone as racist and pro-confederate flag who doesn't agree with a particular manner of protest (not the issue being protested, mind you).
06-23-2020, 10:25 AM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

You don't think that the MSU Alumni voices matter to the elected officials?

Stop with the stupid strawmen. It should not be shocking that a black man in Mississippi is against a symbol of white supremacy....

Buts that's it. All the alumni can do is run to the end of their chains and bark. They don't have the authority to change it.

And where did I say a black man in MS shouldn't be? All I said is his protest is misguided because it is not hurting the decision makers. It is only hurting other innocent people caught up in this.
06-23-2020, 10:31 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

I know you don't actually care about those 5 black kids and want to use them as props, but the people responsible will be, you know, arrested and held accountable. That too often doesn't happen in other contexts, which is the whole point of everything that is going on.

Just like the cop that killed George Floyd will be held accountable.
06-23-2020, 10:36 AM
Rex54

Bubba Wallace case solved? Garage door pull down loop?

https://twitter.com/jamesebeatty/sta...759667201?s=21
06-23-2020, 10:51 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

People are being complete irrational on most issues now. Why hurt MSU when MSU has nothing to do with the flag? IF MSU still raised the flag, I'd understand Hill but this is just additional moves to ramp up everything.

Some are after anything related to our 200 year history before long most people will have to change their name because we all had relatives that lived 100 years ago. Some want Lee statue removed from drill field now. Stop the insanity.

On top of that, every sport we love is being destroyed by constant focus on race. All the pushing is making things worse - lesson at Talledega. No one knows when to stop and if everyone doesn't tone it down a notch well you can fill in what is coming.

MSU is already hurt. We have now lost the chance to host baseball regionals and super regionals and the NCAA women's basketball tourney. That is freakin' ridiculous. If Kylin and others can put pressure on the PTB in the state to get the flag changed if for no other reason to give our baseball and WBB athletes fair footing when competing for championships then I'm OK with it. Those are the only 2 sports we are realistically playing for championships these days anyway. Football is just about what bowl we might make and MBB is in a bad way but baseball and WBB are 2 sports we can play with most anyone and have a realistic shot at winning a NC in.
06-23-2020, 10:53 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Rex54

Bubba Wallace case solved? Garage door pull down loop?

https://twitter.com/jamesebeatty/sta...759667201?s=21

Surely not. As pissed as I was yesterday because some low life scum did that, this better not be what all the fuss was over. Hell I had tears in my eyes watching that scene take place before the race. Bubba is a good dude.
06-23-2020, 11:20 AM
Dawgology

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

I know you don't actually care about those 5 black kids and want to use them as props, but the people responsible will be, you know, arrested and held accountable. That too often doesn't happen in other contexts, which is the whole point of everything that is going on.

This is absolutely...100%...not a fact at all.

Homicide clearance rate in the USA is approximately 64%. 36% of people who commit murder get by with it. 16,214 homicides that year so 5,837 individuals weren't arrested or prosecuted. They were not held accountable....last year. In one year.

Last year there were 4 officer involved shootings where an unarmed black male was killed that didn't involve a fight or violence. Of those 4 2 of the cases ended up in the law enforcement officer involved be arrested and prosecuted. That means two...TWO...cases didn't have the conclusion that you desire.

And those two....still under investigation with charges pending.

So stop lying.
06-23-2020, 03:29 PM
Rex54

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Surely not. As pissed as I was yesterday because some low life scum did that, this better not be what all the fuss was over. Hell I had tears in my eyes watching that scene take place before the race. Bubba is a good dude.

Now Bubba is saying "he never actually saw the 'noose" but judging by the CUT GARAGE ROPE that's exactly what happened. Someone saw it, cut it down, probably took pictures of it and ran to Bubba/NASCAR. They ran with the story and now that the cow is out of the barn they aren't going to admit that it was a garage door rope and look like idiots.

Nobody outside is allowed around that area with Covid, there's incredible surveillance around. We would know if someone hung a noose. These things are so tiresome.
06-23-2020, 03:51 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Aw, you wound me. Glad you've specified your comment, actually. So, just to be clear....according to you, anyone who wants to change the state flag are commies?

I've got to stand up for Beardo here. He's been posting here a long time and I've never seen anything to indicate he's fat.**
06-23-2020, 04:17 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I've got to stand up for Beardo here. He's been posting here a long time and I've never seen anything to indicate he's fat.**

Haha! Nice job!
06-23-2020, 04:19 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I've got to stand up for Beardo here. He's been posting here a long time and I've never seen anything to indicate he's fat.**

Lol, nice.

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06-24-2020, 08:45 AM
USS Relf

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06-24-2020, 09:40 AM
SheltonChoked

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Buts that's it. All the alumni can do is run to the end of their chains and bark. They don't have the authority to change it.

And where did I say a black man in MS shouldn't be? All I said is his protest is misguided because it is not hurting the decision makers. It is only hurting other innocent people caught up in this.

Kylin is doing all he can do. He was under the age to vote during the previous vote.

And MSU Alumni cannot call their Legislators? Are we not citizens?

His protest is targeted at those who voted for it last time, and those "Innocent people" have done nothing to change it in the 20 years since the last vote. I agree we are not that innocent.

His protest got National attention. Same as Joe Frank Sanderson, who is the CEO of a Fortune 1000 company. That's a pretty good outcome for a College kid.
06-27-2020, 05:31 PM
dantheman4248

Whole lotta crow to be eaten in this thread. Good on those that already apologized, but 5 days after this threat by him we as a state have made a huge stride. Lmao to anyone doubting the power of sec football's platform in the south.
06-27-2020, 05:54 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by dantheman4248

Whole lotta crow to be eaten in this thread. Good on those that already apologized, but 5 days after this threat by him we as a state have made a huge stride. Lmao to anyone doubting the power of sec football's platform in the south.

And there is without a doubt no question this would not have progressed this fast unless Kylin stepped up. Those that said he was just doing it for attention need to look hard and fast and how they judge people.

I'll say it again. A black running back from Mississippi just got the flag of the state of Mississippi changed less than a week after he announced he would sit out if it wasn't changed.

I would say that's pretty damn impressive. And don't mistake this. The nation and college football were watching. The number of Bama friends of mine that supported him and what he was doing was impressive. This was not a Mississippi issue. This was a larger, national issue.

I hope those in our fan base who doubled down on the wrong side really take a hard look at themselves and their motives. Today was an emphatic statement that the status quo and what's always been may not be good enough anymore.

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