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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
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Because Turner was sent packing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Yea I disagree. I think a lot of NFL players would say the same thing. If thats the case then Turner could have been a Pro Bowl RBQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Our offense was so bad it was really child abuse of Michael Henig and Tyson Lee. That last Croom Egg Bowl had 11 sacks and a horrific beating of our 5-8 QB - listed as 5-10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
The LSU game in 2004 was one of the worst ass whippings I have ever seen. I know we were bad but we looked like we couldnt beat Starkville AcademyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Nick had that type of talent. I won't go into the entirety of details but everyone there knows the truth. However, his last year there as a Sophomore he was second in the SEC in all purpose yards averaging 139 yds per game. He still holds the single season record at state for all purpose yards. He also has the MSU single game record of 344 all purpose yards in a game against Tennessee.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Nick had more rushing yards than Norwood and a higher average per attempt. He had 700 yards rushing that year splitting time. I recognize your a Brandon diehard fan that reps all things Brandon so I understand your bias. However, being there and statistically it was clear who was better.
He put in a young Chris Relf toward the end and nearly got him killed in that game also. Chris went on to be an UM Killer. Hail Chris! Hail State!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
he left omarr in after being killed at half-time--no reason to play him in the second half. We had I think vandy and UAB as our next 2 games--winnable with Omarr at QB--but Sly left Him in at LSU and Omarr kept getting killed and was finally hurt and couldn't play the next 2 games which we lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
It was an ass whipping of epic proportionsQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Because he passed multiple counterfeit $100's at Remington Hunt Club in the same night. Dude was taking fake hundreds and buying a dollar beer from the beer cart ladies to get $99 in change (probably didn't even bother to tip the girls) and he did it at about three different carts in the bar that same night. Not smart. He was a phenomenal football player and just as equally a phenomenal dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
Other than a Maine type loss that LSU game was the most embarrassing beat down I remember seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
He was murdered btwQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Some of you may have read the quotes, but there is a thread on SixpackSpeak from a writer from the Detroit Free Press who writes that Sly's one year as offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions helped cause Barry Sanders to retire early in disgust. The writer's opinions on this are very clear when they could have hired many other competent OC's. We all know he was a career RB coach everywhere else in the NFL.
I'm pretty sure he's aware of that. I'm not sure what that has to do with the facts he presented. And yes, it's unfortunate he was murdered. It's also unfortunate he made the choices he made.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Fact: Jackie left a big mess and we would?ve been bad for 2-3 years after no matter who we hired.
Also a fact: In Year 5 under Croom we were only marginally better than when he walked in the door. Go back and watch the LA Tech, Auburn, Tennessee, and Ole Miss games from 2008 and see if you still have anything positive to say about the guy.
2007 was really enjoyable at the time just because of how bad things had been previously, and that season had some of my favorite MSU moments of my lifetime (I?m only 26), but everything else about the Croom era was a train wreck. We had discipline issues galore, the baffling coaching never stopped, you could bank on us losing to a C-USA team or worse every year, and it all ended with the most embarrassing Egg Bowl performance you could possibly imagine.
He lost to Maine within his first three games and got annihilated by Ole Miss in his final game. And it rarely got much better than that in between.
What does that have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Great post. I don't agree with all of it, but I love the factual basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
That was the worst decade in my memory. It didn't start with Croom, whose 2007 season was the only winning season of the decade. As far as him only being marginally better, maybe. But a lot of factors go into a team's performance, especially in Football, the ultimate team game.
I'll always believe that part of the anti Croom sentiment started with the emphasis on race (the only color that matters). We'd have been a lot smarter to never even reference race, history or not.
No, a solid coach probably gets us bowl eligible in 2004. We only needed to beat Maine, Vandy (who finished 2-9), and UAB to get to 6-5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
Then we also played Arkansas (who finished 5-6) and Ole Miss (who finished 4-7). We certainly had issues, but if the 2009 version of Mullen takes over in 2004, we are immediately bowl eligible (although not sure 6-5 gets you a bowl game in 2004).
The 2005 schedule was harder, but who knows what we look like with competent coaching starting in 2004.
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Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
Of all the ridiculous ideas, this one is a star. The idea that Jackie left us in good shape after the three years he'd put us through is mythmaking at its most dishonest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
He "coached" at least 4 of the worse losses I have ever watched in my 50 plus years of going to State games: #4 - LSU beatdown #3 Ole Miss - 48 - 0, "I didn't see that coming" #2 Remember the Maine and #1 that offensive of truly "offensive" displays - the 3-2 loss to Auburn, (worse game that I have ever watched). He also blamed his failures on everyone but himself in the ESPN 30 for 30. I rate him right down there with Larry "I won't speak to you, as you are beneath me" Templeton. Hail State, but never Croom or LT!
Where in anyone's response has anyone said JWS left us in good shape?? No one has said that only that the players he left had some talent and with the low level of competition we played after that, a good coach could have gotten us bowl eligible is the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
As others have posted, I liked some of the things Croom stood for but his lack of appreciation for MSU at the end for giving him 5 years is offensive considering the disaster he left our program. Some disagree but the mess Croom left is nothing compared to what JWS left. Mullen made us competitive just with coaching in year 1 with only sparse talent.
Between the people on the team and the people that were committed to Croom, there was a decent amount of NFL talent on the roster. That was one reason that Mullen was able to turn it around so quickly. It helps when you inherit a team with a 1st round LT and the leading rusher in MSU history. Any competent head coach could have got us to 6 wins Mullen's second year. Mullen however was a good coach and got us to 9 wins but the talent was there to go bowling.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Other than AD and a couple other players what great talent was on that first team Mullen had not a freshman or that actually played much his first year? Talent comment did not include freshmen as other than Cox, I don't remember any big impact freshmen. Cox wasn't all pro DT Cox his freshman year either - good for a freshman yes but I am talking about talent that played Dan's first year. Again other than freshman, Croom had the same talent the game before getting bounced 45-0 in egg bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Can we lock this?
Which is probably why nobody has made that argument. We had what was possibly the easiest schedule we have played since I've been a fan. Everybody in the West was down except LSU and Auburn and then we got the two worst teams from the East. So we have 4 games we win with solid coaching in conference, then Bama and FLorida that we could be competitive with, before having Main, UAB, and Tulane for OOC wins. Just going chalk in the OOC and beating 3 of the 4 worst SEC teams gets us to 6-5. We could have pretty reasonably gone 7-4 without beating a decent team. If we played that type of schedule today, people would be living if we did worse than 9-2.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
This is selective memory. Croom left some really good pieces and a roster with some gigantic holes. Not everybody just any competent coach could have taken a team with Relf or a RS Tyler RUssell (who probably would have been the starter if we have any coach other than Mullen b/c Relf wouldn't have improved as much and we likely wouldn't have had an offense that made use of his strengths).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Ole Miss, UK, Florida, UGA, and @Houston we all games we could have lost with a competent coach. I think there's a pretty decent chance we would have lost UK, FLorida, UGA, and ole Miss. We likely wouldn't have lost them all
Ignoring the freshmen, looking at the roster and going off memory:Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Charles Mitchell was a good safety.
McRae and Leon Berry were decent if not great wide receivers.
Maurice Langston was a solid CB.
Wade Bonner was a solid safety.
Jamar Chaney was a very good linebacker.
Dixon was a very good RB.
Christian Ducre was a good RB.
KJ Wright was a very good LB.
Patrick Hanrahan was a solid fullback.
Depasquale was a good kicker
Saulsberry was a good OG
Addison Lawrence was a solid OL (not sure if he played that year though)
DJ Looney was a good OL (again, not sure if he was good yet)
Brignone was a good Center
Derek Sherrod was a very good OT
Kyle Love was a good DL
Had major holes at free Safety and QB that were damn near debilitating, and some of those I likely am giving credit for how good they were a year or two later, but there were pieces for Mullen to work with, especially on defense.
ON offense, I think that first year was Mullen's best jobs his entire time at MSU as far as taking advantage of the playmakers he had on offense.
I agree. Mullen did a good job in 09, probably should have been a 7-8 win team. Got screwed vs LSU and a Houston team that had maybe 1 loss on the seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Go back and look at the roster. KJ Wright, Pernell McPhee, Kyle Love, and Derek Sherrod (1st round LT). That is without even looking at the roster. Doesn't count Cox, Gabe Jackson, and other guys in that recruiting class that was already committed.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
We ran into the #1 strength of schedule that year. Mullen did a great job with that schedule.
To summarize this thread for the people too young to remember the 2000s. It sucked.
If you lived through 2003 and 2004, you really appreciated 2014. The final minutes of the Auburn game might have made you cry. Dan cried.
From losing to Maine to being #1 in the Nation... for 5 weeks
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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I'm trying to figure out how this thing has made it 10 pages?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Apparently some people are really nostalgic about MSU being a total and complete laughingstock and just generally sucking dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State