Where Things Stand Currently

I don't believe for a second Lebby said he isnt making changes. I suppose one of you guys snuck inside Byan Building and heard the conversation**

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

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Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

IF you're against him there's no changing your mind but did you ever consider that Dan may have just learned his lesson?

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It wouldn't split the fanbase even further. Moving from a coach with low (but not 0%) approval to one who would have high (but not 100%) approval is repairing the split, not taking it further.



I just don't think Dan is a "turd" at all, nor that the vast majority of our fans think he is.


That's because nobody wants him. If Lebby had been a good in-game coach and we were 8-4 right now, of course he'd be talking to other schools. And I wouldn't be offended by it if it he did.

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The goal isn't to put a band aid on things. The goal is to get the best coach for Mississippi State. That's not Dan Mullen. Back in 2010 he was the best we could do. But it's 2025 now. Player acquisition is the most important thing right now. That was the thing that Dan was the worst about.

Bringing Dan Mullen back would be the most poor ol State move we could ever do. And hell- he started this shit back in 2015 if we're being honest and actually know what goes on.

It won't work. But hey- maybe he can win enough so he can get the career record for wins that he doesn't care about.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs87

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

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I don't know. I remember him losing to Kentucky in similar fashion in 2016 with Peter Sirmon as his DC. He lost to New Mexico this year.

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Originally Posted by Dawgs87

Do you think Merlin would've won the Florida game this year?

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Yes, Mullen had a couple of losses to teams that finished 3-5 in the SEC (but usually beat them) and never had a loss to a team who finished 2-6. He just wasn't that kind of coach.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

And that's why we're not bowling, because Lebby wouldn't do that against Texas.

Another great pro-Mullen, anti-Lebby argument that you're making.

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We lost a lot of games under Dan because of that ultra conservative approach. You aren?t going to win big when your entire coaching mindset is to not do anything that might lose the game.

This fanbase has got to get on board with modern football and game theory.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't know. I remember him losing to Kentucky in similar fashion in 2016 with Peter Sirmon as his DC. He lost to New Mexico this year.

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That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

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Originally Posted by KB21

We lost a lot of games under Dan because of that ultra conservative approach.

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List them all?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

IF you're against him there's no changing your mind but did you ever consider that Dan may have just learned his lesson?

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What lesson? His ass got blown out by Boise State the only team they played with a pulse and he's on his second DC. He took over a 10 win team and they haven't gotten worse but haven't gotten better either.

Has it occurred to you that maybe he's the same guy? He was already trying to get in on Arkansas this year around midseason.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

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Why? He went 5-7 during the regular season that year also. That sounds familiar to me. That Florida team also beat Texas at home this year.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

List them all?

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Alabama every time we had a prayer.

But you know what? You're right. His conservative play calling usually led to a blowout before the fourth quarter even started so we just looked like bitches.

He almost lost LSU in 2014 because of his idiotic substitutions and conservative play calling.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Why? He went 5-7 during the regular season that year also. That sounds familiar to me. That Florida team also beat Texas at home this year.

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Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

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We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

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Brent Vigen didn't end up taking the Oregon State job. Let's go get him.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

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Comparing apples and watermelons again. Everything that happened per nil is a different game. Anyway, he is not coming back here.

Lebby?s ceiling is not 5-7. That?s ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his process. He is analytically sound in his decision making. He?s aggressive. He has a great offensive scheme.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Because 2-6 is worse than 4-4?

Dan Mullen's floor is 5-7. Jeff Lebby's ceiling is 5-7. I'm not saying that Mullen is the absolute best coach we could possibly hire, but there's no way to objectively look at both resumes and not conclude that Mullen is a huge improvement, and most of our fans (this thread excepted) would be really happy to have him back. If there actually is a realistic chance of making that swap in the next few days, we should 100% do it.

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Lebby's ceiling is higher than 5-7. He went 5-7 with no offensive line and no defense and he doubled our win total. Stop clutching pearls over some bullshit that happened at Baylor that didn't even involve you.

We should always do what is best for Mississippi State and if you think that bringing Dan back is what is best then you are a dumbass and an example of why we don't win. And the booster that want to do it are dumbasses as well. Boosters got us into this mess so why the **** not? They'll never learn.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

That 2016 Kentucky team went 4-4 in the SEC and played in a bowl. Just not comparable.

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I don’t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

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Originally Posted by KB21

Lebby?s ceiling is not 5-7. That?s ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his process. He is analytically sound in his decision making. He?s aggressive. He has a great offensive scheme.

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There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

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Don?t take the bait man.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We are split badly now. We are NOT coming together under Lebby. Who do you suggest that could unite the fanbase? It ain?t Lebby! Give us other choices!

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I've already said to hire someone other than Dan who we know won't fix that either.
You tell me what your choice is?

But hell if you told me that we hired Sumrall I'd be fine with that and I'm not that wild about him. I'd give Joe Judge a chance but I want to see him as a head coach somewhere like Tulane before I buy in. Eric Morris would be my first choice.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I don?t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

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If the OP had posted that boosters were trying to fire Lebby in favor of Brent Vigen or Brian Newberry or Jon Sumrall, I'd be posting about them instead.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Eric Morris would be my first choice.

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He's already been announced as Oklahoma State's next coach. Otherwise, sure, I'd be fine with him.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

There was "absolutely nothing wrong" with his approach to the 4th quarters of the Florida and Texas games? OK buddy.

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There wasn?t, and the analytics back that up.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The goal isn't to put a band aid on things. The goal is to get the best coach for Mississippi State. That's not Dan Mullen. Back in 2010 he was the best we could do. But it's 2025 now. Player acquisition is the most important thing right now. That was the thing that Dan was the worst about.

Bringing Dan Mullen back would be the most poor ol State move we could ever do. And hell- he started this shit back in 2015 if we're being honest and actually know what goes on.

It won't work. But hey- maybe he can win enough so he can get the career record for wins that he doesn't care about.

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We are not getting Mullen back so you don?t have to worry.

But how do you say he was bad at player acquisition?

Our fans think this . Why?

Do we need to compare the player Dan had vs now?

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

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Dak and Simmons are already donating a lot for NIL?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Dak and Simmons are already donating a lot for NIL?

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Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by Brobi-wan

I don?t fault you for wanting to fire Lebby, but stumping for Dan is weird. A lot of people wanted him gone by the time he left. His constant shopping soured a lot of fans.

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Pretty certain that when Kiffin leaves and if OM goes through the same cycle of depressive seasons as State, you don?t think their fan base would want him back? People who want him back are thinking he would have State back to a respectable level (given his experience it isn?t too far stretched). Those who are adamantly against the thought of a Mullen 2.0 (no he won?t come back anyways) just have an agenda just like their agenda of glossing over how poorly of a HC Lebby has been

If Lebby is so poor as a head coach, then show me what has gotten worse under his coaching and show me the numbers that support that.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I've already said to hire someone other than Dan who we know won't fix that either.
You tell me what your choice is?

But hell if you told me that we hired Sumrall I'd be fine with that and I'm not that wild about him. I'd give Joe Judge a chance but I want to see him as a head coach somewhere like Tulane before I buy in. Eric Morris would be my first choice.

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I?m not for bringing in Dan either. But something has to give. The fan base IS SPLIT and it has to be reunited! The hire of O?Connor appears to have united the State Baseball fans, except for the little league failures who hate baseball.

There has to be significant changes and it has to happen this year, not halfway through the 2026 season. I just don?t think Lebby can unite the fans because he wasn?t a likeable hire to begin with. This thing will explode if he is retained and goes 1-8 or even 2-7 SEC next year. It will certainly take more than firing Hutzler and Loadholt!

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

It?s funny people talking about almost losses under Mullen. I would love to go back to winning and almost losing. Instead we just lose under Lebby

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

We are not getting Mullen back so you don?t have to worry.

But how do you say he was bad at player acquisition?

Our fans think this . Why?

Do we need to compare the player Dan had vs now?

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Because there were multiple instances like AJ Brown during his tenure. His whole thing was what? Finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Ok. So that era is over. Would he have been able to keep those diamonds after he developed them? And you can't just have those guys on the roster hanging out anymore.

You can compare players but it's apples and oranges because the era is completely different. This era is more like the AJ Brown situation than it is the Benardrick McKinney situation.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

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Always

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Always

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I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

I?m not for bringing in Dan either. But something has to give. The fan base IS SPLIT and it has to be reunited! The hire of O?Connor appears to have united the State Baseball fans, except for the little league failures who hate baseball.

There has to be significant changes and it has to happen this year, not halfway through the 2026 season. I just don?t think Lebby can unite the fans because he wasn?t a likeable hire to begin with. This thing will explode if he is retained and goes 1-8 or even 2-7 SEC next year. It will certainly take more than firing Hutzler and Loadholt!

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I haven't said anything about keeping Lebby over Dan. I'm just saying we shouldn't hire Dan back period. It isn't Dan or Lebby for me.

I'm fine with Lebby making changes and see what happens. I've also said that 2026 he has to get it done or be gone.

I believe is being fair to coaches and we were very fair to Lemonis. That helped us get O'Connor. Being fair to Lebby and it appears as if MSU is being fair to him will hopefully yield a better head coach if we have to go that route. We'll see. I don't want to try to make a head coaching hire this cycle. Too many blueblood jobs opening up. We need to make adjustments but I'm not ready to blow it all up yet.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Damn, a thread that was giving good info gone to shit over stupidity that’s just not going to happen.

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Yep. The usual suspects already have their repetitive dedicated thread to scream about Dan but somehow it got brought over into this one

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I haven't said anything about keeping Lebby over Dan. I'm just saying we shouldn't hire Dan back period. It isn't Dan or Lebby for me.

I'm fine with Lebby making changes and see what happens. I've also said that 2026 he has to get it done or be gone.

I believe is being fair to coaches and we were very fair to Lemonis. That helped us get O'Connor. Being fair to Lebby and it appears as if MSU is being fair to him will hopefully yield a better head coach if we have to go that route. We'll see. I don't want to try to make a head coaching hire this cycle. Too many blueblood jobs opening up. We need to make adjustments but I'm not ready to blow it all up yet.

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Do you agree that he HAS to make significant staff changes or hit the road?