Our fans remind me of the scouts in MoneyBall

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Our administration has been way worse than the fans. It's not close. They give the school millions from from our athletic budget and then rainy day fund millions instead of putting it into recruiting to help level the field. We prioritized 17ing baseball over everything. That's as dumb as it gets. We can't even get our damn new logo on the scoreboard but other schools have it on theirs when we go there. We've been so poorly operated by the good ole boys selling blue collar bullshit for so long the fans are finally sick of it.
I'm waiting to see how this circus of a football program goes the next two months to decide if I need to invest my money somewhere else. If we keep the circus in town after a losing record, I'm out. If they straighten out things, & win games or we fire Amatuer Hour for sucking, Im increasing my investment. Either MSU invests in the program, or they need to stop asking people to.

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This sense of entitlement is the problem now and has been for a long long time and it and the fractures with in our base and the want for control are our biggest road blocks it. Just cant understand the basic premise that we are the university. This has always has been and seems that it always will be our issue. I'm not saying the admins are perfect but, the spectacular lack of vision of our alumni and base is a death sentence at this juncture. It's get on board with the current situation or die, we have been dying slowly for a long time and it getting faster every day. I see this ending poorly for our school. When we get shuffled out, oh that's coming, it will hit the university hard. Non revenue sports will struggle mightily and cuts across the board will happen university wide. The athletes we have been able to attract are gone up the road is all sports. Y'all better get used to the home games with Troy, Jacksonville State and Ark State and those great road trips to Layfette, Monroe and Mobile. It s simple math now and its rolling at us like a steamroller.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This sense of entitlement is the problem now and has been for a long long time and it and the fractures with in our base and the want for control are our biggest road blocks it. Just cant understand the basic premise that we are the university. This has always has been and seems that it always will be our issue. I'm not saying the admins are perfect but, the spectacular lack of vision of our alumni and base is a death sentence at this juncture. It's get on board with the current situation or die, we have been dying slowly for a long time and it getting faster every day. I see this ending poorly for our school. When we get shuffled out, oh that's coming, it will hit the university hard. Non revenue sports will struggle mightily and cuts across the board will happen university wide. The athletes we have been able to attract are gone up the road is all sports. Y'all better get used to the home games with Troy, Jacksonville State and Ark State and those great road trips to Layfette, Monroe and Mobile. It s simple math now and its rolling at us like a steamroller.

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Dude, the fans have vision. It's why they're so loud now. The school leadership is short-sighted. John Cohen refused to even get involved with NIL and attempted to prioritize 17ing baseball. Our leaders allowed that. Our boosters were ok with that too. The realization is football is the life-blood of athletics and we hire Arnett? We don't even attempt to get a good coach? Nobody else in the SEC would do that. Come the 17 on!!! We good ole boy the shit out of everything. We take care of too much dead weight because they're "State people". I was hoping Selmon would fix some things but he's buddies with the coaches and isn't communicating with the fan base at all. He and Arnett hocking their family goods on SEC Nation was embarrassing! We need leadership at the university. It's simply not there.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Dude, the fans have vision. It's why they're so loud now. The school leadership is short-sighted. John Cohen refused to even get involved with NIL and attempted to prioritize 17ing baseball. Our leaders allowed that. Our boosters were ok with that too. The realization is football is the life-blood of athletics and we hire Arnett? We don't even attempt to get a good coach? Nobody else in the SEC would do that. Come the 17 on!!! We good ole boy the shit out of everything. We take care of too much dead weight because they're "State people". I was hoping Selmon would fix some things but he's buddies with the coaches and isn't communicating with the fan base at all. He and Arnett hocking their family goods on SEC Nation was embarrassing! We need leadership at the university. It's simply not there.

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Most everything your saying is irrelevant at is point and as far a vision most can't see the forest for the trees. John Cohen is gone and his leadership helped to handcuff us for sure. I agree the hire probably wasn't the one to make and we are in very bad situation. This is due to exactly to the what is was talking about. I don't know much about what this AD is doing, maybe you do, but changes are happening, don't know if its good or bad yet. As far as our overall situation, its a dire one, something that you and most here completely miss. If things continue to go south with football our $$$ maker we will get shuffled back as realignment continues to sort itself out. The situation right now is $$ for athletes. It's pay for play and those that are willing pay are going to survive and those that can't will go the way of Wazzu and Ore State. Is the current state of affairs sustainable? I don't think so but it is what it is. That's where the breakdown is, the pettiness of I cant get my way so I'm not giving only serves to put this university and its interest further and further behind the eight ball. So, its up to us to fund the damn thing and maybe survive or not and seal our fate.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Most everything your saying is irrelevant at is point and as far a vision most can't see the forest for the trees. John Cohen is gone and his leadership helped to handcuff us for sure. I agree the hire probably wasn't the one to make and we are in very bad situation. This is due to exactly to the what is was talking about. I don't know much about what this AD is doing, maybe you do, but changes are happening, don't know if its good or bad yet. As far as our overall situation, its a dire one, something that you and most here completely miss. If things continue to go south with football our $$$ maker we will get shuffled back as realignment continues to sort itself out. The situation right now is $$ for athletes. It's pay for play and those that are willing pay are going to survive and those that can't will go the way of Wazzu and Ore State. Is the current state of affairs sustainable? I don't think so but it is what it is. That's where the breakdown is, the pettiness of I cant get my way so I'm not giving only serves to put this university and its interest further and further behind the eight ball. So, its up to us to fund the damn thing and maybe survive or not and seal our fate.

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ROI matters. The fans can't constantly fight the admin/booster headwinds. That's got to change. We won't have a P5 program if they want to keep this a big club instead of actually pushing to be good. Fans don't want to support that club.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

ROI matters. The fans can't constantly fight the admin/booster headwinds. That's got to change. We won't have a P5 program if they want to keep this a big club instead of actually pushing to be good. Fans don't want to support that club.

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I give up. Just don't get it. The only thing your correct on is we wont be P5 for much longer.

I don't think we are about to relegated to the sunbelt for one losing season. However I do wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong in the Bryan building or the relationship between the big money boosters and the Bryan building. Because Stricklin leaving was a head scratcher.... but ok it's Florida. However then the next AD, who is a former MSU athlete, leaving for another sec rival... what the hell is going on here? Not a good sign.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

OM fans continue to fund it because they see a payoff with a brash HC, exciting offense, and a buy in from their administration from the top down.

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And we have none of those things at State. We have a cheap, old school mentality. You have to believe your money is going to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

This sense of entitlement is the problem now and has been for a long long time and it and the fractures with in our base and the want for control are our biggest road blocks it. Just cant understand the basic premise that we are the university. This has always has been and seems that it always will be our issue. I'm not saying the admins are perfect but, the spectacular lack of vision of our alumni and base is a death sentence at this juncture. It's get on board with the current situation or die, we have been dying slowly for a long time and it getting faster every day. I see this ending poorly for our school. When we get shuffled out, oh that's coming, it will hit the university hard. Non revenue sports will struggle mightily and cuts across the board will happen university wide. The athletes we have been able to attract are gone up the road is all sports. Y'all better get used to the home games with Troy, Jacksonville State and Ark State and those great road trips to Layfette, Monroe and Mobile. It s simple math now and its rolling at us like a steamroller.

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We can give all day long, but if the people “admin” don’t do the right things with the money. Nothing will change, it goes and sits and waists away. It is bureaucracy at its best. Why can you not see that?

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Most everything your saying is irrelevant at is point and as far a vision most can't see the forest for the trees. John Cohen is gone and his leadership helped to handcuff us for sure. I agree the hire probably wasn't the one to make and we are in very bad situation. This is due to exactly to the what is was talking about. I don't know much about what this AD is doing, maybe you do, but changes are happening, don't know if its good or bad yet. As far as our overall situation, its a dire one, something that you and most here completely miss. If things continue to go south with football our $$$ maker we will get shuffled back as realignment continues to sort itself out. The situation right now is $$ for athletes. It's pay for play and those that are willing pay are going to survive and those that can't will go the way of Wazzu and Ore State. Is the current state of affairs sustainable? I don't think so but it is what it is. That's where the breakdown is, the pettiness of I cant get my way so I'm not giving only serves to put this university and its interest further and further behind the eight ball. So, its up to us to fund the damn thing and maybe survive or not and seal our fate.

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I will be shocked if State is out to pasture. We are a founding member of the SEC and we have the brinks trucks to use if we need to. That’s cooters point, we have the money we just chose to hoard it. For reasons I cannot understand.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

I will be shocked if State is out to pasture. We are a founding member of the SEC and we have the brinks trucks to use if we need to. That’s cooters point, we have the money we just chose to hoard it. For reasons I cannot understand.

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Exactly where is this money?

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Originally Posted by Ezsoil

Yes not only is our fan base less affluent, we are vastly smaller.....farmers and engineers do not make as much money as doctors and lawyers....throw in the fact that they have five times the number of alumni that we have and you see that we have to find innovative ways to compete.

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I would say farmers and engineers make around the same amount of money, its just that Farmers have to pay for more things which takes a way their net income.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

Our fan base could easily come up with 25,000 fans to give $20 / month.

That?s 67 cents per day.

We can afford that.

That would be $6m per year.

We wont do it (as evidence fed by this thread) but to act like it?s is impossible is short sighted at best.

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You're 100% correct, we won't do it. It'll never happen. Too much push back.

Welcome to the beginning of the end! Going to be a bumpy ride! Sunbelt here we come!

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Exactly where is this money?

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That’s not exactly, you have been saying this whole time “we have to cough up the money” now you are saying the admin has to cough up the money? I’m confused.

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Originally Posted by SpaceWranglerDawg

You're 100% correct, we won't do it. It'll never happen. Too much push back.

Welcome to the beginning of the end! Going to be a bumpy ride! Sunbelt here we come!

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The issue is the admin has not pushed this, they won’t. That would have been the first thing I did if I was selmon was create a marketing drive to get 20-50 bucks a month donations. If that would have happened things would seem a lot different right now.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

That’s not exactly, you have been saying this whole time “we have to cough up the money” now you are saying the admin has to cough up the money? I’m confused.

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Where did I say that? I asked where this Brinks truck of $$$ is.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

Where did I say that? I asked where this Brinks truck of $$$ is.

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Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.

We've routinely hoarded $10-15MM a year in rainy day funds. At least cut that in half to help football. Lowest recruiting budget is instantly corrected. Pay a legitimate coach and staff what it takes to get them. Don't Arnett the shit out of everything. Stop paying "State people" to 17 up.
Selmon should've been the right move, and he's done some things. I'm not ready to throw him out or anything. He just needs to step up communications a bit. I'll give him a year to get completely settled because the job isn't easy.

[QUOTE=Maverick91;1544173]Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, its amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such a easy time peddling his propaganda.

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, its amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such a easy time peddling his propaganda.

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You mean like Nike owning our logo? That kinda BS? LOL

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Originally Posted by Maverick91

Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, it's amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such an easy time peddling his propaganda.

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Correct