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08-22-2023, 04:14 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Some of the stuff about China is misleading. Yes they pollute the most, but they have a lot of people.

Per capita, isn't America still the #1 greenhouse emitter?

No we are not by the 2021 numbers.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ta-by-country/
08-22-2023, 04:59 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Meh..... since I'm in Leadership for one of the worlds largest oil and gas companies, I respectfully disagree and I'm also removing myself from this thread. Y'all carry on.

This isn't an oil and gas specific attack. This is just simple business. Goal of business is to make money #1. If it didn't make money (not getting fined / actually being allowed to exist) then businesses wouldn't do it. A corp would pay you a quarter an hour if it was legal. That's just the cold unfeeling reality of business.

In the US, it's bad for business in some industries to not go green.
08-22-2023, 05:06 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

To address the first paragraph, that opinion on where climate change actually ranks on large global issues was taken from studies and namely a large multinational / multi educational study done by extremely smart individuals from various backgrounds at the behest of the UN. I'm drawing a good bit of my opinions from them and their conclusions. First and foremost was educational and economical rise of third world countries was by far the biggest need global and what that actually does at every level, globally, nationally, locally and individually. But I do share that opinion but it wasn't from a place of let me find a study that matches what I believe. If that makes sense.

I don't disagree with what you are saying in the second paragraph in a wide spread sense. I guess the question I keep going back to is who are the biggest environmental abusers? Certain corporations, absolutely! But on a global scale China by far the worse emitter, triple what we do and has increased their emissions by 33% while we have reduced ours by 12% since 2010. In fact it takes the other 4 largest emitters to match China. Where is the answer to that? Extremely complex and no good solution.

To get back on topic though, a good balance of innovation, initiatives, education and partnership between corporations and the people that doesn't harm the lower class financially is the best policy in my opinion. Not a rush to solve a problem that while it exists, is not as big of an issue as it has been politicized to be. Give technology the time to give us sound long term solutions. We need corporations to foot those bills as well so we have to find that partnership and a synergy that works for both and not at the expense of the regular working individuals

See this is where I don't think you're seeing how big of a picture I'd make it. Let's play pretend and say I'm President and have a favorable house / senate super majority.

My priorities are
1. Fix Poverty (make people able to afford to live)
2. Fix Human Rights (make people want to live)
3. Fix Sustainability of our Home (make people able to live indefinitely)

And part of my "green" policies would be drastic and potentially unpopular in the consequences. But I'd wean us off the cheap China build teat. I'm talking embargo until they get their shit together. But not just that in a vacuum. Invest in America and bring up the floor to make people able to support themselves. Bring back a sort of isolationist policy and have high import taxes. I could go on and on here, but I don't think the answer is fully attacking oil and gas, it's finding sustainable ways to not need oil and gas. One good one is an embargo on China.
08-22-2023, 06:40 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No we are not by the 2021 numbers.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ta-by-country/

Thank you for the data. We look to be 5th, however all those countries are tiny middle eastern nations. We are the worst of any big nation for sure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-countries/

We're #2 in total CO2 and about half of China's total... however, China has over 4x the population we do, so it seems we're way worse than them PER CAPITA, which is what I was specifically asking about

It seems hypocrital of some in here to point the climate change finger at China as we create 2x the crap as them per person...
08-22-2023, 07:27 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Thank you for the data. We look to be 5th, however all those countries are tiny middle eastern nations. We are the worst of any big nation for sure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-countries/

We're #2 in total CO2 and about half of China's total... however, China has over 4x the population we do, so it seems we're way worse than them PER CAPITA, which is what I was specifically asking about

It seems hypocrital of some in here to point the climate change finger at China as we create 2x the crap as them per person...

But dont we overproduce in order to help countries that cannot? That has to be factored in. We have some of the best farmland on the planet- let's not punish the tractors for doing their work to help other countries around the world. We produce CO2 so they stay alive or so they dont fall into a 3rd world status- ORRRRRRR- to keep them out of the arms of China
08-22-2023, 07:31 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by Pancho

I figure it'll snow several times in MS this upcoming winter

Yes, we've had fog several mornings in August. One foggy day = one snowy day.
08-22-2023, 07:38 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Atmospheric isotope data from polar ice-cores, for example. Data going back over 700,000 years. Amazing stuff.

Incredible, considering the Earth is only 6,000 years old. :D
08-22-2023, 07:44 PM
RocketDawg

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Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

This August has already surpassed the August 2011 year in high and average. Obviously, the average could still end up lower, but as of now we're above it now.

The extreme heat just hasn't made it here, at least until this week if the forecast verifies. So far, August has been 1.9 degrees F lower than normal.

Also, just checked the data for August 2011. Had one day at 101, and the monthly average was only 0.3 degrees F above normal. Quite hot, but nothing like central Mississippi apparently.
08-22-2023, 07:46 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Coach34

But dont we overproduce in order to help countries that cannot? That has to be factored in. We have some of the best farmland on the planet- let's not punish the tractors for doing their work to help other countries around the world. We produce CO2 so they stay alive or so they dont fall into a 3rd world status- ORRRRRRR- to keep them out of the arms of China

Not saying you're wrong, but that level of analysis is probably very hard to find statistics on.

Moreover, it's a 2 way street. We may export wheat and meat, but China exports mass produced goods to us too. Hard to sort out.

Regardless, we are not some "clean" country that needs to get the slackers in shape. We are also one of the worst ourselves
08-22-2023, 08:27 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Thank you for the data. We look to be 5th, however all those countries are tiny middle eastern nations. We are the worst of any big nation for sure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ted-countries/

We're #2 in total CO2 and about half of China's total... however, China has over 4x the population we do, so it seems we're way worse than them PER CAPITA, which is what I was specifically asking about

It seems hypocrital of some in here to point the climate change finger at China as we create 2x the crap as them per person...

Yes and no. When you start looking at EPI indexes China is by far worse in overall clean and Green friendly countries. Couple with the overall emissions, they score in the bottom 10 of all countries. They are the largest and most environmentally abusive of large nations. We are not even close to them when the indexes factor in per Capita rate. We have a ways to go, don't get me wrong, but our trends are to the better by a significant margin and in the top half of countries, they are still getting worse.
08-22-2023, 08:32 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yes and no. When you start looking at EPI indexes China is by far worse in overall clean and Green friendly countries. Couple with the overall emissions, they score in the bottom 10 of all countries. They are the largest and most environmentally abusive of large nations. We are not even close to them when the indexes factor in per Capita rate. We have a ways to go, don't get me wrong, but our trends are to the better by a significant margin and in the top half of countries, they are still getting worse.

I'll yield to you as you've obviously done more research on this. I'll ammendment my memory of the topic from "we produce the most per capita" to "we produce a lot per capita but China is actually the worst"
08-23-2023, 10:40 AM
ScoobaDawg

10 days till football begins..and this is what everyone on here wants to talk about.....
To be fair. I'm glad to see the politics have for the most part stayed out...

Again. It's hot. it's damn hot. but the worst of summer is almost over thankfully.
08-23-2023, 10:49 AM
Commercecomet24

Hey just wanted to give everyone a headsup but we are under and excessive heat warning, lol!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K2I7dZR7lh4
08-23-2023, 12:11 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

10 days till football begins..and this is what everyone on here wants to talk about.....
To be fair. I'm glad to see the politics have for the most part stayed out...

Again. It's hot. it's damn hot. but the worst of summer is almost over thankfully.

https://y.yarn.co/e8e30f34-fbeb-4261...a3d06_text.gif
08-23-2023, 12:13 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Hey just wanted to give everyone a headsup but we are under and excessive heat warning, lol!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K2I7dZR7lh4

Haha!! No kidding, yeah we are well aware it's excessive.
08-23-2023, 02:04 PM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Hey just wanted to give everyone a headsup but we are under and excessive heat warning, lol!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K2I7dZR7lh4

Haha! It's 94 degrees up here and they are closing schools 2-3 hours early. Lol
Next week highs in the mid 80's.
08-23-2023, 02:17 PM
Tater

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

10 days till football begins..and this is what everyone on here wants to talk about.....
To be fair. I'm glad to see the politics have for the most part stayed out...

Again. It's hot. it's damn hot. but the worst of summer is almost over thankfully.

What's there to talk about with football? We're going 15-0 and winning it all. Everyone here pretty much agrees on that. Not much activity on here when people agree. When we disagree you get more + we've stayed away from problematic ad hominem attacks. This is actually solid discussion which shows growth.

Anyways dawgs by 90.
08-23-2023, 02:23 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Tater

What's there to talk about with football? We're going 15-0 and winning it all. Everyone here pretty much agrees on that. Not much activity on here when people agree. When we disagree you get more + we've stayed away from problematic ad hominem attacks. This is actually solid discussion which shows growth.

Anyways dawgs by 90.

I like where your head's at my man!!!
08-23-2023, 02:25 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Haha! It's 94 degrees up here and they are closing schools 2-3 hours early. Lol
Next week highs in the mid 80's.

94 degrees would feel like a cool fall evening right now to us. Hahaha
08-23-2023, 02:32 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Haha! It's 94 degrees up here and they are closing schools 2-3 hours early. Lol
Next week highs in the mid 80's.

LOL! You know its bad when you're looking at next weeks forecast and going "Hey it's only gonna be 95!!!"

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