Word is Bama is down a starting WR (Burton) and might be removed from team

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Originally Posted by TUSK

You said, "Saban isn't going to suspend a good player if it helps him win..." that's inaccurate.

I wanna go on the record as sayin' I don't condone smackin' chicks lest they be a potential threat. Was it confirmed that he "punched" the girl?

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As I've showed with proof in this very thread, he tolerates drugs, illegal guns, and hitting women (now x2). What did he do to a good player, who was it, when, and lastly, where did he end up going in the draft? I'm genuinely curious as I've never seen this. Maybe, just maybe, it'll actually give me an inkling of respect for Saban, which now I have none. Can't tolerate a coach who lets his players hit women.

I saw the video. It was fairly low resolution, so you can't tell if he punched her with a closed fist or open hand. What you can tell is she tried to duck out of the way, he reached for her, hit her in the back of the head and she grabbed her head with both hands and turned around. It had to have been hard enough to make her grab her head and turn around to see who it was.

Are you going to make judgements based on how hard the hit was? Based on your smarty remarks earlier in the thread by saying I was there I'm now going to make one. Can you feel how hard this girl got hurt? Do you share the same nerve endings? Obviously not.

Also, please show me any reputable news source that is claiming that she said something racist. It just isn't plausible that with that many people around that noone would come forward and defend him for that. I know if I was at an MSU game and someone said that and I heard it I would. Would you not do that at an Alabama game?

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Agree. Here's a similar article on FoxNews. All the comments are negative toward Saban, as they should be. I doubt the guy being in the game made much if any difference, but he shoudn't be in the game. Probably should be legally charged. Saban has handled other things "internally", which apparently means doing nothing. If one of our players slugged a fan of our team or the opposing team, I'd hope he would no longer be playing for us, regardless of how good he is.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/alaba...-tennessee-fan

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I don't think I'd be arguing for our player to be kicked off the team. She shouldn't have been near him and it is a volatile situation. But it is some sorry ass shit by Saban that he didn't even sit a single game though. I actually thought Saban was better than that. I understand SEC football isn't full of choir boys, but I would hope that hitting a woman that hasn't hit you, even if it wasn't with a closed fist and even if it wasn't that hard (I have no clue about either but has seen both used in defense), would get you a one game suspension.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I don't think I'd be arguing for our player to be kicked off the team. She shouldn't have been near him and it is a volatile situation. But it is some sorry ass shit by Saban that he didn't even sit a single game though. I actually thought Saban was better than that. I understand SEC football isn't full of choir boys, but I would hope that hitting a woman that hasn't hit you, even if it wasn't with a closed fist and even if it wasn't that hard (I have no clue about either but has seen both used in defense), would get you a one game suspension.

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I'm down with this.^

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

When did he do to a good player, who was it, when, and lastly, where did he end up going in the draft? I'm genuinely curious as I've never seen this. Maybe, just maybe, it'll actually give me an inkling of respect for Saban, which now I have none.

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I don't think we're as far apart on this issue as you may believe. I liken the "Nick Saban never suspends anyone" mantra to the "Alabama always gets all the calls" deal.

No one notices when Bammer gets the short end of the stick or when Saban disciplines a player, but when the inverse is true, it jumps out at them... Peace!

Here are a few examples of "good" players Saban either suspended or booted:

Deonte Brown – Drafted low, I think.
Jaheel Billingsly – starter, at Texas, headcase, runt oft
Tony Brown – Starter – UFA NFL
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix – NFL All Pro – 1st round.
Kenyan Drake – started in the NFL – 3rd round.
LaMichael Fanning - transferred, dunno where he is....
DJ Hall – starter, record holder at WR, jack off head case, blackballed
Agiye Hall – starter, at Texas, jack off head case, runt oft
Najee Harris – NFL All Pro – 1st round.
Tyren Jones – woulda been #2 RB in ‘15
Terrel Lewis – 3rd round.
Jaran Reed – NFL starter – 2nd round.
Q Robinson - #2 DL - dunno where he is...
Brian Robinson – NFL starter – 3rd round.
Devonta Smith – Heisman Trophy winner – 1st round.
Alphonse Taylor - Starter - dunno where he is....
Daniel Wright - flunkie - dunno where he is...

Ok, I didn't know any of this. To follow up, I know he suspended Tim Williams because he had an arrest and that was public, but for failing drug tests, he never got suspended for any of that. In that regard, do you know what each of these people did to get suspended? I think that may play into it.

Also, I Billingsly may be the player I heard Saban say he should have stayed to try to compete. I remember thinking he should have told the WR he got from Ohio State he should have stayed there to compete. It was a player who played RB to transferred to UT. If that's the case, Billingsley was not run off.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I don't think we're as far apart on this issue as you may believe. I liken the "Nick Saban never suspends anyone" mantra to the "Alabama always gets all the calls" deal.

No one notices when Bammer gets the short end of the stick or when Saban disciplines a player, but when the inverse is true, it jumps out at them... Peace!

Here are a few examples of "good" players Saban either suspended or booted:

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I suspect, but don't know, that if you are doing the things in the weight room and at practice to get better, Saban is going to be willing to give a lot of latitude. That's just based on Saban's personality I think that is what he is going to view as evidence of high character worthy of "internal discipline" and second/third/whatever chances. And I don't think that's just self interest. I think he's actually wired to view that as the primary quality in question.

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

Also, I Billingsly may be the player I heard Saban say he should have stayed to try to compete. I remember thinking he should have told the WR he got from Ohio State he should have stayed there to compete. It was a player who played RB to transferred to UT. If that's the case, Billingsley was not run off.

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You're talking about Alvin Kamara... he was definitely runt oft...

Errbody wanted Billingsley to stay, he could have been a great addition, however, he was either unwilling or unable to do the things (on and off the field) required, so, he transferred...

"unwilling or unable to do the things (on and off the field) required" = "runt oft", to me.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

You're talking about Alvin Kamara... he was definitely runt oft...

Errbody wanted Billingsley to stay, he could have been a great addition, however, he was either unwilling or unable to do the things (on and off the field) required, so, he transferred...

"unwilling or unable to do the things (on and off the field) required" = "runt oft", to me.

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As a side note here - I've looked at not just the responses to me, but your responses to others and you have changed my opinion of you (for the better.) I haven't spent too much time here and not had many direct conversations with you, but you seem to be like the pink unicorn in the room (i.e. a reasonable Alabama fan). Most Alabama fans think Saban can do no wrong and every player that's ever played for them is a choir boy who is on the math team and volunteers at the Children's Hospital in their spare time. I haven't had the chance to talk directly to you much, but maybe you seem to be a little different.


That being said - "being unable or unwilling to do the things (on and off the field) required" sounds like they ran him off when in fact they wanted him to stay. If the coaches wanted him to stay, he wasn't run off. That would not count as a player Saban suspended of kicked off for doing something against the rules or common decency.

Also, I worked in Tallahassee almost 2 decades ago and actually worked with DJ Hall's cousin. I think DJ was before Saban's time, but he might have been a senior or something when Saban first got there. His cousin played at FAMU.

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

. I haven't had the chance to talk directly to you much, but maybe you seem to be a little different.

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Tusk is good folk.

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

As I've showed with proof in this very thread, he tolerates drugs, illegal guns, and hitting women (now x2). What did he do to a good player, who was it, when, and lastly, where did he end up going in the draft? I'm genuinely curious as I've never seen this. Maybe, just maybe, it'll actually give me an inkling of respect for Saban, which now I have none. Can't tolerate a coach who lets his players hit women.

I saw the video. It was fairly low resolution, so you can't tell if he punched her with a closed fist or open hand. What you can tell is she tried to duck out of the way, he reached for her, hit her in the back of the head and she grabbed her head with both hands and turned around. It had to have been hard enough to make her grab her head and turn around to see who it was.

Are you going to make judgements based on how hard the hit was? Based on your smarty remarks earlier in the thread by saying I was there I'm now going to make one. Can you feel how hard this girl got hurt? Do you share the same nerve endings? Obviously not.

Also, please show me any reputable news source that is claiming that she said something racist. It just isn't plausible that with that many people around that noone would come forward and defend him for that. I know if I was at an MSU game and someone said that and I heard it I would. Would you not do that at an Alabama game?

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Both he and Saben were "scared" of her as she and 200,000 orange clad, Antifa/TN branch, fans rushed the field.****

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Originally Posted by State82

Tusk is good folk.

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This. Tusk is a good dude and not your typical bama fan. I've had the opportunity to talk with him several times and he's a straight shooter.

Oh and he don't like om either, lol!

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Originally Posted by MSUDAWGFAN

As a side note here - I've looked at not just the responses to me, but your responses to others and you have changed my opinion of you (for the better.) I haven't spent too much time here and not had many direct conversations with you, but you seem to be like the pink unicorn in the room (i.e. a reasonable Alabama fan). Most Alabama fans think Saban can do no wrong and every player that's ever played for them is a choir boy who is on the math team and volunteers at the Children's Hospital in their spare time. I haven't had the chance to talk directly to you much, but maybe you seem to be a little different.


That being said - "being unable or unwilling to do the things (on and off the field) required" sounds like they ran him off when in fact they wanted him to stay. If the coaches wanted him to stay, he wasn't run off. That would not count as a player Saban suspended of kicked off for doing something against the rules or common decency.

Also, I worked in Tallahassee almost 2 decades ago and actually worked with DJ Hall's cousin. I think DJ was before Saban's time, but he might have been a senior or something when Saban first got there. His cousin played at FAMU.

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I "loath" most Bammer Fans.

DJ was there when Saban arrived and was a HUGE cancer to the team... word is Saban blackballed him with the NFL.

Lastly, we'll hafta agree to disagree, re: Billingsley... he was definitely "wanted", however, he just had "too much DJ" in him to be on the team....