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11-15-2013, 10:36 AM
MadDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

Yeah -- because we are the ones that would have gone 5-13 over the last 18.

What an attractive coaching job.... Come be our coach! But you better accomplish more than any coach has in our history, or your ass is gone, bitch! (channeling my inner Jesse)
11-15-2013, 10:36 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Martianlander

At least a couple of coaches on the offensive side won't be back. One of their replacements is going to knock your socks off. I'm not sure I'm totally happy with him but he will be a good recruiter. That's all I can say right now. I've been sworn to secrecy. Just remember when it happens Martianlander told you first.

And this makes sense if that is the stance that is being taken right now
11-15-2013, 10:37 AM
Madkinmecrazy

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Originally Posted by dickiedawg

If we were to lose out, there is NO WAY you bring Dan back. Absolutely none.

Doubt he'd get fired even then, unless there were off-the-field issues as well.

Fact is, you don't fire a coach after one down year unless you're Alabama or Texas or USC. You just don't. No one wants to take a job in the most competitive conference in football at a average to above average program knowing that one down year is all you get, especially since the level of competition is so high that a few minor slipups can turn a 8-4 season into a 5-7 season. If we had the prestige of the big programs or the deep pockets, it might be different.

But it isn't. Mullen is all but guaranteed another chance next year.
11-15-2013, 10:48 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Madkinmecrazy

Doubt he'd get fired even then, unless there were off-the-field issues as well.

Fact is, you don't fire a coach after one down year unless you're Alabama or Texas or USC. You just don't. No one wants to take a job in the most competitive conference in football at a average to above average program knowing that one down year is all you get, especially since the level of competition is so high that a few minor slipups can turn a 8-4 season into a 5-7 season. If we had the prestige of the big programs or the deep pockets, it might be different.

But it isn't. Mullen is all but guaranteed another chance next year.

The problem is it is 1 and1/2 down years if we lose out. Croom could have got us to a bowl last year.
11-15-2013, 10:50 AM
engie

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Originally Posted by MadDawg

What an attractive coaching job.... Come be our coach! But you better accomplish more than any coach has in our history, or your ass is gone, bitch! (channeling my inner Jesse)

Lifetime contract if you can just win 7 of 18.

Yeah -- I'd call that pretty damn attractive.
11-15-2013, 10:51 AM
MrKotter

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Nonsense! When Bama shuts us out Saturday he'll fire Geoff Collins.

Sadly this is 100% true.
11-15-2013, 10:55 AM
MrKotter

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

I have heard Brian Johnson but not sure how much truth to that is Also heard Billy G will get a promotion to OC and les to QB coach

Brian Johnson of AC/DC? Sweet
11-15-2013, 10:56 AM
engie

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Originally Posted by Madkinmecrazy

Doubt he'd get fired even then, unless there were off-the-field issues as well.

Fact is, you don't fire a coach after one down year unless you're Alabama or Texas or USC. You just don't. No one wants to take a job in the most competitive conference in football at a average to above average program knowing that one down year is all you get, especially since the level of competition is so high that a few minor slipups can turn a 8-4 season into a 5-7 season. If we had the prestige of the big programs or the deep pockets, it might be different.

But it isn't. Mullen is all but guaranteed another chance next year.

Say what? There are 50ish teams that can and do fire coaches for one losing season. Nevermind a dumpster fire half of a season to end -- followed by a losing season.

This "no one will want to take the job" line is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. We are in the SEC and can offer a top 20 salary. As such, we can name the midmajor coach from now for all eternity. If people are scared to come here because they can't go 7-5 40% of the time, they aren't the right people for the job period.

People acting like we wouldn't be a pretty hot commodity on the free market right now are kidding themselves. "New money" school -- with brand new facilities -- starved for success -- with a roster situation that tees up the first couple of years for a new coach. We aren't a "dumpster fire rebuild". That changes everything in a coaching search.
11-15-2013, 11:00 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

The problem is it is 1 and1/2 down years if we lose out. Croom could have got us to a bowl last year.

We were in the Gator Bowl last year- that's not a down year at Mississippi State

As to the stupid comment about Crooms- no way we beat Troy, Tennessee...maybe even losing to Auburn with him. We're talking about a coach that never averaged 300 yards of total offense for a season.
11-15-2013, 11:03 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

Say what? There are 50+ teams that can and do fire coaches for one losing season. Nevermind a dumpster fire half of a season to end -- followed by a losing season.

This "no one will want to take the job" line is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

But sadly this is the mentality of a large portion of our fanbase.
11-15-2013, 11:09 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

That's the point Cadaver- this is not a speculation thread- this is "stance the admin is taking" thread

Well, unless you are part of the Administration, which you are not, then it is a speculation thread. If you are good friends with whoever told you that shit about us keeping Dan, then he probably knows that you run a damn message board. He isn't going to tell you if they are considering firing Mullen with 3 games left, I wouldn't imagine. I doubt anyone in the Athl Dep would say that to anybody right now. And besides, you yourself said that Administration wouldn't be making that call, the money boys would. So all in all, I view this thread as a propaganda piece to help push your defense of Mullen.

Just don't be surprised if someone on this board happens to run in to a member of Admin tomorrow at the Bryan Building, and they tell him that Mullen will get fired if he loses to ole miss. And when they post it on here, it shouldn't be locked, because it is not speculation...it is a "stance the admin is taking" thread. I mean after all, they could have a better source inside the admin than you do, right?

See how that works. This thread is a prime example of NOT "letting the season play out", by the Mullen defender side. It's a double standard, and it appears that nobody is buying it regardless if it's true or not. Had you not been defending Mullen like he was your long lost brother for the past month, it would be a lot more believable to those that aren't buying it.
11-15-2013, 11:13 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Madkinmecrazy

Doubt he'd get fired even then, unless there were off-the-field issues as well.

Fact is, you don't fire a coach after one down year unless you're Alabama or Texas or USC. You just don't. No one wants to take a job in the most competitive conference in football at a average to above average program knowing that one down year is all you get, especially since the level of competition is so high that a few minor slipups can turn a 8-4 season into a 5-7 season. If we had the prestige of the big programs or the deep pockets, it might be different.

But it isn't. Mullen is all but guaranteed another chance next year.

Good grief. So you are just ignoring the fact that we shut it down last year after starting 7-0? Just took the second half of the season off basically. Everybody that says "it's one bad season" is just not paying attention.
11-15-2013, 11:13 AM
engie

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

But sadly this is the mentality of a large portion of our fanbase.

Because of how the basketball search went. Yet, they aren't cognizant of their approach becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

We let our basketball program be driven TOTALLY into the ground in terms of what we had coming back -- with obvious attitude and drug issues -- necessitating a multi-year rebuild from dumpster fire status.

Yet, they are in favor of giving the football program EVERY opportunity to reach dumpster fire status before making a change -- thus CREATING the same hiring environment of the basketball search all over again -- and also creating, to a smaller extent, the same limitations. At MSU -- we never collectively learn from what we did wrong before -- thus we never move forward.

I contend that IF we had gotten rid of Stansbury a year sooner -- with what we had coming back and coming in -- we would have been a VERY attractive situation for a prospective coach, could have likely salvaged the Hood/Gardner/Deville class, and the basketball program likely goes dancing in year 1 under the new guy -- with a nice base and core for the future. That one extra "chance to right the ship" DESTROYED us -- and it cost us AT LEAST 3 YEARS.

All that said -- I'm all for letting the season play out. Mullen gave me a SLIVER of hope in the aTm game for the first time in awhile -- and it's more than fair to see where it leads. He beats Arky and OM -- he's got to stay. He loses either -- he's got to go.
11-15-2013, 11:16 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Well, unless you are part of the Administration, which you are not, then it is a speculation thread. If you are good friends with whoever told you that shit about us keeping Dan, then he probably knows that you run a damn message board. He isn't going to tell you if they are considering firing Mullen with 3 games left, I wouldn't imagine. I doubt anyone in the Athl Dep would say that to anybody right now. And besides, you yourself said that Administration wouldn't be making that call, the money boys would. So all in all, I view his thread as a propaganda piece to help push your defense of Mullen.
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1. I think the Admin wants this stance out there- and wants the speculation to end. That's why it was told to me with "I dont care if you post it or not"

2. Engie said the Money Boys are making this call- not me. And that is who is going to have to step in to make it happen it looks like. The Admin looks to be moving forward with Mullen.
11-15-2013, 11:20 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Nonsense! When Bama shuts us out Saturday he'll fire Geoff Collins.

Ha, I laughed at this
11-15-2013, 11:21 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

1. I think the Admin wants this stance out there- and wants the speculation to end. That's why it was told to me with "I dont care if you post it or not"

2. Engie said the Money Boys are making this call- not me. And that is who is going to have to step in to make it happen it looks like. The Admin looks to be moving forward with Mullen.

Fair enough. Both good points, and I can agree with that.

And I apologize, I thought you said that bolded part
11-15-2013, 11:21 AM
Eric Nies Grind Time

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Originally Posted by Coach34

1. I think the Admin wants this stance out there- and wants the speculation to end. That's why it was told to me with "I dont care if you post it or not"

2. Engie said the Money Boys are making this call- not me. And that is who is going to have to step in to make it happen it looks like. The Admin looks to be moving forward with Mullen.

I believe that someone told you this...but it just seems odd for someone to say that so early. There will be a pretty large backlash on Mullen if he loses the Egg Bowl two times in a row.
11-15-2013, 11:23 AM
Madkinmecrazy

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Good grief. So you are just ignoring the fact that we shut it down last year after starting 7-0? Just took the second half of the season off basically. Everybody that says "it's one bad season" is just not paying attention.

In MSU's history, a bowl is a bowl is a bowl.

I know you want him gone and I know it pisses you off because it isn't happening, but it's not life we have the money or prestige to upgrade after a single losing season.
11-15-2013, 11:25 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

Because of how the basketball search went. Yet, they aren't cognizant of their approach becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

We let our basketball program be driven TOTALLY into the ground in terms of what we had coming back -- with obvious attitude and drug issues -- necessitating a multi-year rebuild from dumpster fire status.

Yet, they are in favor of giving the football program EVERY opportunity to reach dumpster fire status before making a change -- thus CREATING the same hiring environment of the basketball search all over again -- and also creating, to a smaller extent, the same limitations. At MSU -- we never collectively learn from what we did wrong before -- thus we never move forward.

I contend that IF we had gotten rid of Stansbury a year sooner -- with what we had coming back and coming in -- we would have been a VERY attractive situation for a prospective coach, could have likely salvaged the Hood/Gardner/Deville class, and the basketball program likely goes dancing in year 1 under the new guy -- with a nice base and core for the future. That one extra "chance to right the ship" DESTROYED us -- and it cost us AT LEAST 3 YEARS.

All that said -- I'm all for letting the season play out. Mullen gave me a SLIVER of hope in the aTm game for the first time in awhile -- and it's more than fair to see where it leads. He beats Arky and OM -- he's got to stay. He loses either -- he's got to go.

Yep. We are about to let that happen to football. Because all,these same people that say, "scant fire Mullen after!one bad year", will be fed up with Mullen's shit when he only wins 6 with an easy schedule next year. So then, if we fire him after next year, we look like an even worse job because we are firing him after a WINNING season instead of doing in when we should do it, which is after a losing season this year. I bet none of you, "Mullen deserves one more year" guys have thought beyond this season though.
11-15-2013, 11:29 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Madkinmecrazy

In MSU's history, a bowl is a bowl is a bowl.

I know you want him gone and I know it pisses you off because it isn't happening, but it's not life we have the money or prestige to upgrade after a single losing season.

In other words, I'm going to avoid answering the question or discussing what he just pointed out about my previous post, and instead just say something about what he thinks. Good try, but you avoided the topic of discussion.

You JUST said "in MSU's history, a bowl is a bowl". So in other words, you don't give a rats ass who we beat to achieve the bowl, how bad we looked doing it, or anything that is happening on the field...just as long as we make a bowl. What a mediocre accepting mentality. We've never been a consistent winner in o ur history, so don't you think we may ought to start trying to do things differently?

You guys kill me with this, "we don't do things that way at MSU" and then you wonder why we suck 2 years later. It's because we keep doing the same dumb shit year after year after year. There's a reason we can't be good and stay good, and it's because of mentalities like yours where we just stick our head in the sand until a coach drives a program completely into the ground before we decide to do anything about it.

This isn't about what I want...this is about me pointing out the flaws in your stance, and wanting what is best for MSU. Look beyond the current and into the future of this program. Recruiting is going down, wins are going down, on field decisions are getting worse, etc... What makes you think a switch is going to flip and we will turn the clock back to 2010?

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