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01-13-2020, 09:58 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We will be underdogs 3 out of those 5....We could easily lose NC State, Mizzou, and Kentucky

But SHOULD win 2 of the 3.

I mean we could play the COULD game all day
01-13-2020, 10:08 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yeah, but it would be a big disappointment to go 1-3 or worse against the other 4. None of those teams are going to be very good next year.

Like, could Missouri come into Starkville and beat us? Sure, they've got a lot better chance than Tulane or Arkansas. But they probably won't. They are mediocre and have a lot less proven of a head coach than we do.

Could we lose to NC State? Sure, it's on the road and will be only our 2nd game against Leach. But nobody is going to pick a 4-8 ACC team to turn around and beat a 6-6 team the next year. It's not like they had a bunch of close unlucky losses - they were repeatedly blown out throughout 2019.

NC State will probabaly be pretty good. They were supposed to be good, were in nearly every game, and have almost everybody back. It's up there. Ole Miss gave us all we want ed in Vegas and it's up there. Kentucky is up there and they are going to be good again. Missouri will be at least decent. We are going to be going into the year running a different system that offensively at least, we aren't very well suited to as it looks right now. If Leach gets to six wins, he will have done one heck of a job.
01-13-2020, 10:09 PM
Jarius

[QUOTE=Coach34;1221210]Mizzou returns 19 starters
Kentucky returns 17 starters and we play at their place.
NC State returns 19 starters and we play at their place
A&M returns 17 starters

Joe Moorhead beat Kentucky this year. We beat them damn near every year. NC State was one of the worst teams in the country this year. Missouri has a new coach and play us in Starkville. They were also really bad last year. We will be favored against NC State and Missouri and will be around a pick Em against Kentucky. We will have a head coaching advantage against all 3 of those teams. A&M is not a tossup. They recruit top ten athletes.
01-13-2020, 10:11 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

But SHOULD win 2 of the 3.

I mean we could play the COULD game all day

Why "should" we win these? All bring back way more experience than we do. I've got Ky as a loss. Ky is always a tossup now under Stoops and where we are now as a program. It's at Lexington ... Advantage Ky.

There are years we should absolutely beat TAM (not next year). But going by recruiting rankings that is never the case. You can't go by recruiting rankings when you want to then not use when you don't want to. It don't work that way.
01-13-2020, 10:12 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

NC State will probabaly be pretty good. They were supposed to be good, were in nearly every game, and have almost everybody back. It's up there. Ole Miss gave us all we want ed in Vegas and it's up there. Kentucky is up there and they are going to be good again. Missouri will be at least decent. We are going to be going into the year running a different system that offensively at least, we aren't very well suited to as it looks right now. If Leach gets to six wins, he will have done one heck of a job.

NC State lost to Georgia Tech this year and went 4-8.
01-13-2020, 10:12 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I'm counting TAM as a sure loss.

Ky is a tossup every year at this point in our program until Leach rights the ship. Stoops has established a good culture and program there. I'm counting Ky as a loss cause it at their place.

We have lost 2 straight at Kentucky and they return a better football team in 2020
01-13-2020, 10:13 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Jarius

NC State lost to Georgia Tech this year and went 4-8.

NC State started alot of freshmen in 2019 including their QB. They will be vastly improved in 2020
01-13-2020, 10:14 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Why "should" we win these? All bring back way more experience than we do. I've got Ky as a loss. Ky is always a tossup now under Stoops and where we are now as a program. It's at Lexington ... Advantage Ky.

There are years we should absolutely beat TAM (not next year). But going by recruiting rankings that is never the case. You can't go by recruiting rankings when you want to then not use when you don't want to. It don't work that way.

Why should we beat Kentucky and Missouri? Is that a serious question? We have better players and a better head coach than both. That's why.
01-13-2020, 10:14 PM
ShotgunDawg

I'm done discussing this till we have more information
01-13-2020, 10:15 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

NC State started alot of freshmen in 2019 including their QB. They will be vastly improved in 2020

Our defense started a ton of freshman last year and you don't expect us to be vastly improved. We also started a freshman quarterback.
01-13-2020, 10:18 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Our defense started a ton of freshman last year and you don't expect us to be vastly improved. We also started a freshman quarterback.

because our freshmen were back-ups that got pressed into action. The guys in front of them were far superior.
01-13-2020, 10:18 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Why should we beat Kentucky and Missouri? Is that a serious question? We have better players and a better head coach than both. That's why.

Not yet with KY. They have way more experience coming back and continuity in coaching and are well coached.
01-13-2020, 10:19 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'm done discussing this till we have more information

Lol ... I believe you started it dude.
01-13-2020, 10:20 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Why should we beat Kentucky and Missouri? Is that a serious question? We have better players and a better head coach than both. That's why.

What? Kentucky and Mizzou both has won more games than we have the last 4 seasons. Both teams returns the bulk of their starters in 2020 and will be favored over us. If we win either game its a big upset for us
01-13-2020, 10:24 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What? Kentucky and Mizzou both has won more games than we have the last 4 seasons. Both teams returns the bulk of their starters in 2020 and will be favored over us. I we win either game its a big upset for us

Beating Mizzou at home is a big upset for us?

You're expecting this thing to his rock bottom then. I disagree
01-13-2020, 10:25 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What? Kentucky and Mizzou both has won more games than we have the last 4 seasons. Both teams returns the bulk of their starters in 2020 and will be favored over us. I we win either game its a big upset for us

Kentucky and Missouri both play in the East. Kentucky would not go to a bowl game and would have a new coach if they had to play in the West. Missouri has another coach and they don't even play in the West. That's a ridiculously flawed way to make any reasonable argument. Beating Missouri or Kentucky will not be a huge upset next year and it doesn't matter if we play them on Mars.
01-13-2020, 10:26 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

NC State will probabaly be pretty good. They were supposed to be good, were in nearly every game, and have almost everybody back. It's up there. Ole Miss gave us all we want ed in Vegas and it's up there. Kentucky is up there and they are going to be good again. Missouri will be at least decent. We are going to be going into the year running a different system that offensively at least, we aren't very well suited to as it looks right now. If Leach gets to six wins, he will have done one heck of a job.

No they weren't, they had 7 losses by 14 or more points.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_N..._team#Schedule
01-13-2020, 10:28 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Beating Mizzou at home is a big upset for us?

You're expecting this thing to his rock bottom then. I disagree

Mizzou returns 19 starters- 10 on defense. We have huge holes on D and are changing offenses. Yeah- we are the underdog in this match-up in 2020. I'm not betting on Gus Walley, Austin Williams, and Osirius Mitchell in 2020
01-13-2020, 10:29 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Coach34

What? Kentucky and Mizzou both has won more games than we have the last 4 seasons. Both teams returns the bulk of their starters in 2020 and will be favored over us. If we win either game its a big upset for us

Missouri is 25-25 and 13-19 over the last 4 years, so no.
01-13-2020, 10:29 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Coach34

because our freshmen were back-ups that got pressed into action. The guys in front of them were far superior.

And our backups were also a shit ton more highly recruited than anyone on NC State's roster. Playing time helps ours as much as it helped theirs no matter the reason for being pressed into action.

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