Let's not screw this up, we have to hire Billy Napier, regardless of the EB result...

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

And they’ve won 4 games, with a better defense.
Got to have some balance. You can’t be one dimensional without far superior talent.

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They also have a way tougher OOC schedule (4-0 to 2-2 due to it). Going from 1 to 2 (god forbid 3) SEC wins is improvement on their end.

with all that said and done--Hud's resume' is more impressive. he has more experience and more years to compare. He runs the exact offense that we are looking for. he doesn't require a 3 year turnaround-- he gets results immediately.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

with all that said and done--Hud's resume' is more impressive. he has more experience and more years to compare. He runs the exact offense that we are looking for. he doesn't require a 3 year turnaround-- he gets results immediately.

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In what way, world, or universe is Hud's resume more impressive than Napier or Norvell? Hell McElwain has a more impressive resume than Hud (not condoning McE, he's bad).

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

with all that said and done--Hud's resume' is more impressive. he has more experience and more years to compare. He runs the exact offense that we are looking for. he doesn't require a 3 year turnaround-- he gets results immediately.

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I've been against it for years, maybe the familiarity made it seem like it would be settling. However, this debacle of the last 2 years has made me come to a realization, we know what will work here, why be cute and try to fix what ain't broke. RTGDF, can't say it enough. Hud would do just that. Not sexy, at all, but he has proven he can win time and time again. He's a great fit and has rejuvenated his coaching career at Austin Peay. Right now I would have Hud as 3rd on the list behind Norvell and Napier. If all 3 of those guys say no or can't come to an agreement, you might as well keep Moorehead, retain this years recruiting class, and try again next year.

Hud would do just fine here, undoubtedly better than what Moorehead has done.

The beauty in all this is
A. This fan base is as united as we have been since 2014
B. If Napier turns us down (Highly doubt he would) then we can go get Hud

If we go the OC way Sark wouldn?t be a bad hire

I'm fine with Norvell, Napier or Hud. I'm not a huge fanboy of Hud's but it may be time to offer him the captain's chair. If we pull Norvell, the rumors be damned, that will be seen nationally as a home run hire.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

The beauty in all this is
A. This fan base is as united as we have been since 2014
B. If Napier turns us down (Highly doubt he would) then we can go get Hud

If we go the OC way Sark wouldn?t be a bad hire

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If this is progressing like we think, they better have this already figured out. There have been more than five weeks between today and the Nuke of the TN performance, it better be damn near figured out by now.

If you hired Napier would you be ok with him being HC and calling the plays? Worked ok for Mullen but it hasn't worked at all for Joe and I think it's always 50/50 if people can balance both. The positive is I assume Napier is already doing it at ULL.

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Originally Posted by Irondawg

If you hired Napier would you be ok with him being HC and calling the plays? Worked ok for Mullen but it hasn't worked at all for Joe and I think it's always 50/50 if people can balance both. The positive is I assume Napier is already doing it at ULL.

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I would think the issues usually would show up in other ways and not the actual playcalling. Our actual playcalling under Joe is hot garbage. I think one thing is that head coaches have to figure out how to balance all the other needs of a head coach. I think it took Mullen a couple of years to know how to balance it. The good thing with Napier is that he has already called plays against SEC teams so the speed isn't going to overwhelm him.

I’m fine with Napier but please no McE. We already saw that experience at Florida.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I’m fine with Napier but please no McE. We already saw that experience at Florida.

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McE sucks. I can't believe anyone would consider him

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

That be poor to me. Needs improvement from one year to next. He been there 4 years and only got it up to 6th out of 12. Top 3 would make me feel better.

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Need to take in account coach turnover. People are hiring his coaches.

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

In what way, world, or universe is Hud's resume more impressive than Napier or Norvell? Hell McElwain has a more impressive resume than Hud (not condoning McE, he's bad).

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he won at ULL-NorthAL and now APeay. That is 3 schools that sucked till he came along. Plus when He was on our staff-he was very good. name me 3 Schools that sucked that Napier and Norvell has turned around.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

he won at ULL-NorthAL and now APeay. That is 3 schools that sucked till he came along. Plus when He was on our staff-he was very good. name me 3 Schools that sucked that Napier and Norvell has turned around.

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In all fairness, Hud left a mess at ULL and Napier turned it around in 1 year.

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Originally Posted by Pipedream

In what way, world, or universe is Hud's resume more impressive than Napier or Norvell? Hell McElwain has a more impressive resume than Hud (not condoning McE, he's bad).

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How is Norvell?s more impressive? Both have done well in their leagues with the difference being Hud wins his bowl games and Norvell has gone winless

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

I should say this, if you can get Norvell you take him, but he would have to accept before the end of this regular season, behind closed doors of course, which means he would have already accepted by now in private. You have to keep in mind that we will not be the only school looking for a coach, and while we love Mississippi State, someone with no connections to our school does not view our school and football program the way we do. It is what it is, Arkansas is probably even a better job than ours to a completely non biased observer, I'm not saying it is, just saying it could and probably is viewed that way. We can't sit around and wait for Norvell to try and leverage our offer into a better one somewhere else. If we do that we would not only miss out on Norvell, but also the rest of our top 5 choices.

Here is what I would do if I were Cohen(and its probably already happened), I would offer Norvell his asking price as long as its $6M or less(I would always rather us have to find money to pay a good coach, than save money and have a shite coach. We could pay Mullen $6M, so we can pay someone else at or just below that, the money a good coach would help bring into the program, school, and community as a whole would far outweigh the $2M or so we would save annually by hiring a shite coach, this is the SEC, money should never be the problem, EVER.) Anyway... I'd throw $6M at Norvell, and tell him you are our #1, we would love to have you and be the last job you ever take, however, we are giving you 48 hours to talk to your family and advisors, and give us a decision in writing. If he hasn't accepted within 48 hours, I tell him good luck but we have to move on. If he doesn't accept $6M within a reasonable time from of 48 hours, he was never gonna accept it. I think Cohen has learned this lesson and will give the long shot big name guys atop the list offers, but shot clocks too. We can and will be played by coaches and their agents, its the way it works. It's as simple as this, offer what they want as long as it is let's say $6M or less(we can easily make that work, now is not the time to be frugal), give them no more than a couple days to decide, if they haven't accepted within that time frame, move on. If you dick around trying to get guys out of your league, you end up losing out on a chance with the realistic guys in the middle of your list, and end up settling for someone who wasn't even on the initial list. You see this happen every year over and over again, usually to schools that perceive themselves as a program 2-3 levels above what they are in reality. Yes, I think we are capable of hiring "the guy" type coaches, like top tier coaches, however, I think we have to find them just before they became "the guy". Give Napier a couple years and we might be laughing at the thought of us thinking he would want to be our coach.

When Norvell's 48 hours is up, I would throw $4.5M at Napier with plans to have him at $6M by 2023 if he meets his annual goals, I would then give him until December 1st to decide, with the understanding that other offers may be made between now and then, so if he wants it, the sooner he accepts it, the better, for both parties. This guy would get us back on track, he has shown he has the ability to be (maybe) an elite recruiter, he also has learned to coach from the best and runs the gd football, and at an elite level.

Napier is the right fit in all the places that Moorehead was not. Our program has slid the past 2 years, but luckily our talent level has not as we have recruited at the same or even better level than we were under Mullen. This means the right fit could step in and have us back competing as early as next year. What's even better is that Napier has shown that he can install, and successfully run his offense at a high level in year 1, he has done this everywhere he has been, in year 1. I would be ecstatic if we could pull Norvell, but I do have some questions, whereas with Napier I have less. However, I believe Norvell's ceiling may be a tad bit higher than Napier's, but at this point that's nothing more than a semi-educated guess. Norvell = SEXY pick with a few question marks; Napier = realistic & perfect fit. I'd be more than happy with both, offer both their asking price, with a shorter leash on Norvell. If they both don't accept pretty much on the spot, they never were, so you move on. Cohen is going to get it right this time, I trust him. He's our guy and he is learning from his mistakes, while recognizing what and where it went wrong. I'm pretty confident Norvell or Napier is our next guy, and judging by today's onslaught of "prepare for Moorehead's firing" talking points from MSU's chosen talking heads, it seems like someone has accepted. I am 100% guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were case. I do feel bad for Joe, great guy, just not our guy. He will land on his feet making 7 digits somewhere as an OC. Some guys just don't have what it takes internally to be a HC, Moorehead is example #1. I can only thank him for bringing in some good recruiting classes, comparatively, and giving us his best shot.

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Yup Yup Yup

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think he would improve our recruiting because he has seen how Saban does it. That's what happened at Georgia when Smart took over and copied the same formula. Alabama has a system for selling their program to players- and I'm talking about legally here.

Napier currently has the number one class in the Sun Belt right now. And if ULL can implement his recruiting machine MSU can certainly do it too.

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Well Alabama does sell itself, but those black Charger swag bags don't hurt either

Devious Dawg is Napier's wife or part time squeeze. Either way, I'm sold. Hire the dude.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

The beauty in all this is
A. This fan base is as united as we have been since 2014
B. If Napier turns us down (Highly doubt he would) then we can go get Hud

If we go the OC way Sark wouldn?t be a bad hire

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Hud ain’t on our list.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

McE sucks. I can't believe anyone would consider him

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Only if he could 17 a land shark every year. ***