Some Thoughts On Our QB Situation

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

This ^^^^ all day. Sometimes you just have to use Jackie’s playbook. Here we are. That’s where are going. Try to stop us.

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In moderation, yes. However, with less talent than Bama, LSU, Auby, & A&M, this simply won't consistently work.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

In moderation, yes. However, with less talent than Bama, LSU, Auby, & A&M, this simply won't consistently work.

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Less talent won't consistently work with any system

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Less talent won't consistently work with any system

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It's why there has to be some gimmick with perfect timing & selection

It's why IMO Hugh Freeze always did better against elite competition than Mullen. Mullen wanted to stick to his system while Freeze wasn't afraid to throw in some gimmick

Against elite defenses, you've got to try and steal a touchdown somehow, someway

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It's why there has to be some gimmick with perfect timing & selection

It's why IMO Hugh Freeze always did better against elite competition than Mullen. Mullen wanted to stick to his system while Freeze wasn't afraid to throw in some gimmick

Against elite defenses, you've got to try and steal a touchdown somehow, someway

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It's also why he lost to Memphis and ark with superior talent.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

It's also why he lost to Memphis and ark with superior talent.

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Agree. There is certainly a give & take element to it.

Which would you rather have?

- I believe much of the reason they loss to Memphis & Ark wasn't necessarily because of gimmick, but because of a lack of discipline & culture as we spoke about in the other thread. You can't measure culture in big games. Culture is about taking care of business when you should.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree. There is certainly a give & take element to it.

Which would you rather have?

- I believe much of the reason they loss to Memphis & Ark wasn't necessarily because of gimmick, but because of a lack of discipline & culture as we spoke about in the other thread. You can't measure culture in big games. Culture is about taking care of business when you should.

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I really don't know. I just can't picture how we can consistently contend in the west with such a talent disadvantage.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I really don't know. I just can't picture how we can consistently contend in the west with such a talent disadvantage.

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Consistently won't happen.

However, if we can get to around 35 4/5 star players on the roster, get an elite SEC QB, & have Bama & LSU at home, we've got a chance to steal one.

We were close in 99 & 2014 had Bama on the road. That game always seems to be a road game.

Throw Dak Prescott on last year's roster with 2019 schedule & we've got a solid shot

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Relf, Russell, dak, and fitz improved completion % every year under Mullen... this doesn't include their SSS freshman stats. This was the first year since before Mullen that the returning qb didn't improve completion %, which is the stat C34 used

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Agree to disagree. Mullen increased percentage by throwing a ton of check downs. The inherent passing accuracy of those QBs only marginally improved even under Mullen. Dak is the only one that I saw a significant difference in pure accuracy from start of career to end of career. Relf was in no way accurate even as a SR, I don't care what the % says. I watched him as most here did. But yea, he was better than under Croom where he got zero coaching. Even Russell could never hit anyone accurately beyond about 20 yards. I could count on one hand the number passes Russell completed to receivers well downfield. Always an overthrow or an underthrow.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I really don't know. I just can't picture how we can consistently contend in the west with such a talent disadvantage.

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Maybe because the recruiting sites dont know the talent

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Fitz was terrible throwing the football last year. This offense worked against some SEC level defenses in the big 10. Michigan and Ohio State have better defenses than everyone but 2 or 3 teams on our schedule every single year. Wisconsin has an SEC defense. Michigan state has an SEC defense.

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Iowa was solid on defense as well. All of those teams are well coached on defense and they dont make a lot of mistakes. They wait on you to make a big one, we did and thats why we lost. Good points

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Im guessing nobody in the B10 knows to play man coverage to the RB side or straight man and bring pressure then. Im 99 percent sure Moorhead saw that in the B10. It does help having better players than your opponent and he had that 9/10 at Penn St considering who they played.

I would agree with you if you said he was too confident in his system considering what he had to work with ( a QB who cant do it and WRs that cant either) and still trying to run his offense. He could have done a much better job of adjusting to what he had but in his eyes he figured year 1 was worth the rough spots on O in order to put his system in instead of actually starting it in year 2. I can understand that

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Bingo. It didnt matter. We needed his system installed year 1.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It's why there has to be some gimmick with perfect timing & selection

It's why IMO Hugh Freeze always did better against elite competition than Mullen. Mullen wanted to stick to his system while Freeze wasn't afraid to throw in some gimmick

Against elite defenses, you've got to try and steal a touchdown somehow, someway

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Freeze had some success against elite competition because he had an elite defense a couple of years and he always had elite talent at WR. Having elite talent at WR means you can score in one play from pretty much anywhere, which means you don't necessarily have to sustain long drives to score. Mullen never had an elite WR, and probably only Wilson, Ross, and Bumphis even qualified as being good and would have gotten starter minutes for most other teams in the SEC.

If you want to beat inferior opponents, you'd rather have an elite running game than an elite passing game. You can grind them down and reduce variability. If you want to beat superior opponents, you want an elite passing game that can increase variability.

Even then, Freeze only beat Bama in Tuscaloosa b/c they benefited from a lot of turnovers and a fluke off the helmet TD reception and Bama D getting suckered by illegal men downfield, and they only beat Bama in Oxford b/c Bama's OC was too good just to run the ball for six yards a carry and had to get cute with passing.