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I'm going to say that KT will play a role in the Offense. We will see 2 QBs in the backfield....

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

If this kid can come in and win the job EVERYONE should be all in with this.
No knock on KT, if he beats him out then great

I will say this about the locker room. The way Mullen and the staff handled Fitz and Williams had that locker room divided. That’s a fact.
And like some have said in this thread , the courting of KB seemed to be a positive thing amongst the players.

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I don't understand why anyone would be against it. It seems like more and more people are coming around. People can't say that he should adapt his offense to our players and then be mad when he's trying to bring on a player that fits his system because it may make some players unhappy.

If this was baseball and we needed another really good starting pitcher our fans would be all for it. It wouldn't be "But the team might get mad if Peyton Plumlee is bumped because of this guy."

I just don't understand the logic of our fans sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

I'm going to say that KT will play a role in the Offense. We will see 2 QBs in the backfield....

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I think that's very likely. Joe likes to do that. See Tommy Stevens.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't understand why anyone would be against it. It seems like more and more people are coming around. People can't say that he should adapt his offense to our players and then be mad when he's trying to bring on a player that fits his system because it may make some players unhappy.

If this was baseball and we needed another really good starting pitcher our fans would be all for it. It wouldn't be "But the team might get mad if Peyton Plumlee is bumped because of this guy."

I just don't understand the logic of our fans sometimes.

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There are a couple that have an eye rolling agenda that is very typical in 2019. Not everyone, but some.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think that's very likely. Joe likes to do that. See Tommy Stevens.

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It's something the current SEC has not seen a lot of either

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Dan left the job unfinished. I'm convinced had he stayed we only lose to maybe Bama

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Nope .. Not if he was spending all his time job hunting instead of actually coaching he wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

That isnt true. The internet fanbase isnt indicative of the rest.

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Digger, I know a dozen State fans that do not lurk on sites. They could not tell you the difference between Gene's, ED or 6pack. That Florida game had them spitting mad at Joe.

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

Nope .. Not if he was spending all his time job hunting instead of actually coaching he wouldn't.

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He wouldn't start job hunting till after he had secured an impressive season, ie if he had at most 1 loss entering the Bama game. After Bama, yeah he'd check out but this time I think the team was so good they'd still win out vs Arky and OM, so Dan's checking out wouldn't affect the regular season W-L total

Keytaon ain't no Peyton Plumlee is the problem. He's a tad bit better than that. If I thought KT was a back of the bench pitcher I wouldn't be bitching about Joe whoring out to the entire western hemisphere for a Qb.

Damn, it is simple. If you can get a better player--then do it. Joe is here to win. If KT wants to play QB then be better than your competition..

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Damn, it is simple. If you can get a better player--then do it. Joe is here to win. If KT wants to play QB then be better than your competition..

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If you truly believe in someone and fully invest in them they tend to rise to meet your expectations. Joe doesn't get this. KT has all the tools needed to win games in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Relardo Sidney

Keytaon ain't no Peyton Plumlee is the problem. He's a tad bit better than that. If I thought KT was a back of the bench pitcher I wouldn't be bitching about Joe whoring out to the entire western hemisphere for a Qb.

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We've seen absolutely nothing that says KT is good. He beat L'Ville, but had a mediocre at best stat line and it was McLaurins 3 INT's that won that game. He had great numbers vs SFA, but KT was late throwing the ball and SFA was literally leaving guys 15 yards open so that's not anything to read into. He looked lost in his small action against A&M, but that's not much data. Moorhead keeping Fitz in vs LSU when he was 4-19 with 3 INT's, so he didn't have much faith in KT at the time. Then Moorhead went after KB indicating he didn't have complete faith in KT to develop. Then KT put up bad numbers in spring camp, and now we're going after Stevens...

And that's it. That's all the data we have on KT either way. He's never had an impressive passing game, he's never put the team on his back and carried them to a victory, he's never made a run that wowed me like Fit'z did his first year as a starter or Dak does every 3rd game in the NFL. He may be a worldbeater and I really hope he is, but there's nothing to support that. We though he'd be one when he was a Fr, but there's no evidence since then to say he is. I don't know either way but the early returns aren't looking good for us honestly

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Digger, I know a dozen State fans that do not lurk on sites. They could not tell you the difference between Gene's, ED or 6pack. That Florida game had them spitting mad at Joe.

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I realize that, but most people who have a closeup view of the team under Mullen know that his offense was not all that mentally challenging. Sort of a power spread, if you will. What Joe runs takes a more cerebral qb. Good route runners.

We lost to Florida for one reason. Dan and Grantham knew how to stop the only offensive weapon we had better than anyone. He knew exactly how Fitz would react in every situation.

Our success under a joe will depend on how he nationally attracts kids who are capable of getting their offensive assignments and keeping Bob Shoop or someone of his caliber running the defense.

Regular fans just want a bowl game and an egg bowl win. This is why last season wasn?t the disaster to them that it was to the message board hero?s.

My prediction is at some point in the season we realize the offense is very effective but low IQ kids, no matter how talented, won?t work in it. In the long run that is good news for MSU. It will remove us from the bidding wars in this state for marginal kids. But we will will be back in the running for an AJ Brown. We never were as long as Mullen was here. Mullen?s offense was the reason we couldn?t land wr recruits.

The bad news is that it will take Joe at least 1-2 more recruiting cycles to build it.

I?m glad Mullen did what he did, but I believe within the next two years we will be glad he moved on.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

We've seen absolutely nothing that says KT is good. He beat L'Ville, but had a mediocre at best stat line and it was McLaurins 3 INT's that won that game. He had great numbers vs SFA, but KT was late throwing the ball and SFA was literally leaving guys 15 yards open so that's not anything to read into. He looked lost in his small action against A&M, but that's not much data. Moorhead keeping Fitz in vs LSU when he was 4-19 with 3 INT's, so he didn't have much faith in KT at the time. Then Moorhead went after KB indicating he didn't have complete faith in KT to develop. Then KT put up bad numbers in spring camp, and now we're going after Stevens...

And that's it. That's all the data we have on KT either way. He's never had an impressive passing game, he's never put the team on his back and carried them to a victory, he's never made a run that wowed me like Fit'z did his first year as a starter or Dak does every 3rd game in the NFL. He may be a worldbeater and I really hope he is, but there's nothing to support that. We though he'd be one when he was a Fr, but there's no evidence since then to say he is. I don't know either way but the early returns aren't looking good for us honestly

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He was the Gatorade POY in Louisiana his senior year and he didn't get that award from just rushing. He's also set more than half a dozen MSU records already in the 3 games he's played in. Y'all would be fighting like hell if Joe was trying to bench Dak for his PSU boy well I'm doing the same for KT cause I think KT can be that good if he'd just be given a damn chance. Who gives a shit about a spring game performance. I haven't watched a spring game in over a decade because they are totally worthless.

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Originally Posted by Relardo Sidney

He was the Gatorade POY in Louisiana his senior year and he didn't get that award from just rushing. He's also set more than half a dozen MSU records already in the 3 games he's played in. Y'all would be fighting like hell if Joe was trying to bench Dak for his PSU boy well I'm doing the same for KT cause I think KT can be that good if he'd just be given a damn chance. Who gives a shit about a spring game performance. I haven't watched a spring game in over a decade because they are totally worthless.

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Has been given a chance from the moment he stepped foot on campus. This isn't about a spring game. This is a collective body of work.


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No way around that. This offense won't work with that. It's not Joe's job to appease you. It's to win and to do so in the quickest amount of time. He has an opportunity to get a guy who has been in a system he designed for 3 years. He's 60+% passer and a runner. KT will be fine and will be the starter next year.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

I realize that, but most people who have a closeup view of the team under Mullen know that his offense was not all that mentally challenging. Sort of a power spread, if you will. What Joe runs takes a more cerebral qb. Good route runners.

We lost to Florida for one reason. Dan and Grantham knew how to stop the only offensive weapon we had better than anyone. He knew exactly how Fitz would react in every situation.

Our success under a joe will depend on how he nationally attracts kids who are capable of getting their offensive assignments and keeping Bob Shoop or someone of his caliber running the defense.

Regular fans just want a bowl game and an egg bowl win. This is why last season wasn?t the disaster to them that it was to the message board hero?s.

My prediction is at some point in the season we realize the offense is very effective but low IQ kids, no matter how talented, won?t work in it. In the long run that is good news for MSU. It will remove us from the bidding wars in this state for marginal kids. But we will will be back in the running for an AJ Brown. We never were as long as Mullen was here. Mullen?s offense was the reason we couldn?t land wr recruits.

The bad news is that it will take Joe at least 1-2 more recruiting cycles to build it.

I?m glad Mullen did what he did, but I believe within the next two years we will be glad he moved on.

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The offense we ran (or any offense at the time of AJ’s recruitment) wouldn’t have mattered. That was inconsequential to the “recruiting process” for him. Bama backed off him as well, for a reason

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Has been given a chance from the moment he stepped foot on campus. This isn't about a spring game. This is a collective body of work.


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No way around that. This offense won't work with that. It's not Joe's job to appease you. It's to win and to do so in the quickest amount of time. He has an opportunity to get a guy who has been in a system he designed for 3 years. He's 60+% passer and a runner. KT will be fine and will be the starter next year.

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Stephens has completed like 20 passes total in 5 years. Penn state didn't even trust him to throw the ball so they turned him into an option Qb.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Stephens has completed like 20 passes total in 5 years. Penn state didn't even trust him to throw the ball so they turned him into an option Qb.

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This. But all of a sudden he can be an SEC QB in Jo's pass first, big play (hopefully), offense.

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Originally Posted by Relardo Sidney

He was the Gatorade POY in Louisiana his senior year and he didn't get that award from just rushing. He's also set more than half a dozen MSU records already in the 3 games he's played in. Y'all would be fighting like hell if Joe was trying to bench Dak for his PSU boy well I'm doing the same for KT cause I think KT can be that good if he'd just be given a damn chance. Who gives a shit about a spring game performance. I haven't watched a spring game in over a decade because they are totally worthless.

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If KT was as good as you think he is Joe would have put him in after Florida. Fitz being a 5th yr senior be damned.

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Originally Posted by Relardo Sidney

If you truly believe in someone and fully invest in them they tend to rise to meet your expectations. Joe doesn't get this. KT has all the tools needed to win games in the SEC.

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Joe does not think you are correct. You are making this judgement on his recruiting profile and 3 games against absolute dog shit defenses where he threw for under 50 % completion % and lost to the worst defense in the country. Joe is making this decision based on his livelihood and seeing the kid every single day for the past year and a half. Do you really believe that you know more about our quarterback situation than one of the best offensive coordinators in college football? Are you that arrogant?