Moorhead is Done At MSU

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Coming off Croom era wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

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Oh, I must have mis-remembered

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Oh, I must have mis-remembered

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I think so ... it wasn't Rick Ray level of leaving a program. Now I'm not saying Joe didn't inherit many more much better players Just saying that 2009 class was mostly together when Mullen came on board and that was Mullen's highest ranked class until 2015.

I get that but sometimes it just takes a couple of years to fully establish yourself. Texas should be a top5-10 every year based on talent but its taken Herman a couple of years to get them going. I'm just saying I'm not gonna give up on a coach after 1 season and 1 1/2 recruiting cycles.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I don?t have a problem with Shotgun. I don?t agree with him, but there are worse guys on here.

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I don't have any problem with Shotgun, either. He's obviously a loyal MS State supporter, and he calls things like he sees them.

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Originally Posted by CrosscityDawg

I get that but sometimes it just takes a couple of years to fully establish yourself. Texas should be a top5-10 every year based on talent but its taken Herman a couple of years to get them going. I'm just saying I'm not gonna give up on a coach after 1 season and 1 1/2 recruiting cycles.

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I agree it take a few years, but what bothers me most is that Moorhead was either arrogant about recruiting in the South or completely ignorant.

As evidenced by his hires at LB, WR, QB coach, and RB, he has/ had absolutely no clue about what it takes to recruit in the South.

That being said, he has made some adjustments and hired recruiters, but he basically wasted a year to learn because he had no clue. His learning curve has been too steep.

I just don't see it. I don't see the awareness and ability to do something great.

To be successful at MSU, I believe a coach has to be GREAT in one Area: Recruiting, Xs and Os, or development.

Joe comes across to me as a G5 coach where talent levels are more even.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I agree it take a few years, but what bothers me most is that Moorhead was either arrogant about recruiting in the South or completely ignorant.

As evidenced by his hires at LB, WR, QB coach, and RB, he has/ had absolutely no clue about what it takes to recruit in the South.

That being said, he has made some adjustments and hired recruiters, but he basically wasted a year to learn because he had no clue. His learning curve has been too steep.

I just don't see it. I don't see the awareness and ability to do something great.

To be successful at MSU, I believe a coach has to be GREAT one Area: Recruiting, Xs and Os, or development.

Joe comes across to me as a G5 coach where talent levels are more even.

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When we got Mullen he had already been at FL with Urban. Yet he still went thru a learning curve and he wasn't new to the SEC. Mullen himself has said at FL they had to figure it out. And this was pre-Saban and AU paying Cam, etc.

The learning curve probably has been steep for Moorhead. But we did get the best OL class we ever got and probably one of the top 3 (maybe 4) DL classes in the last 10 years too. Not saying there weren't some misses, but he did decent his first go round IMO. On a scale of 1 - 10 ... I'd give him a 7 or so.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

When we got Mullen he had already been at FL with Urban. Yet he still went thru a learning curve and he wasn't new to the SEC. Mullen himself has said at FL they had to figure it out. And this was pre-Saban and AU paying Cam, etc.

The learning curve probably has been steep for Moorhead. But we did get the best OL class we ever got and probably one of the top 3 (maybe 4) DL classes in the last 10 years too. Not saying there weren't some misses, but he did decent his first go round IMO. On a scale of 1 - 10 ... I'd give him a 7 or so.

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I would go 5 or 6. He's been slap average IMO and that won't work at MSU.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I agree it take a few years, but what bothers me most is that Moorhead was either arrogant about recruiting in the South or completely ignorant.

As evidenced by his hires at LB, WR, QB coach, and RB, he has/ had absolutely no clue about what it takes to recruit in the South.

That being said, he has made some adjustments and hired recruiters, but he basically wasted a year to learn because he had no clue. His learning curve has been too steep.

I just don't see it. I don't see the awareness and ability to do something great.

To be successful at MSU, I believe a coach has to be GREAT in one Area: Recruiting, Xs and Os, or development.

Joe comes across to me as a G5 coach where talent levels are more even.

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Based on your join date, you've wasted 6 years posting here and you still haven't figured it out....

You still allow your emotions to get the best of you on a daily basis. You swing positive to negative faster then anyone here based on one minute issue. Missing on a couple guys will not destroy the program. Not signing a full class will, so I have apprehension there. As opposed to creating a thread stating Moorhead is done at MSU, the better play may have been to wait to see how the day unfolds or actually officially wraps up before doing so.

I haven't put you on ignore yet, as I do think you bring value to the board.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Some people are never going to be happy with Joe even if he goes 15-0 next year. Or at any point in his time here.

He does need to better in recruiting next year though. At least he appears to be off to a good start there. Plus the funny thing is right now we have signed more four stars than Dan did in every class he had in 9 years except for one or two.

The only silver lining for us is we need to hit the transfer portal to fill the WR need but that's doable at least.

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Replace the name UK with UGA and if Mullen wasn't the coach at UF and people would have a different opinion.