MSU Football Currently Comes Down to This...

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Says the guy who said there would be no way we would win 8 this year. What do you bring to this board except a bunch of overblown meltdowns and Braves news?

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Why do you lie? Here's the thread, again...

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...361#post996361

. Post #347, I said "we ain't winning 9 games." Didn't say anything about 5 or 6. Post #391 was your proposed bet.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Why do you lie? Here's the thread, again...

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...361#post996361

. Post #347, I said "we ain't winning 9 games." Didn't say anything about 5 or 6. Post #391 was your proposed bet.

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And again I was a lot closer in my final W category then you. Had Willie, Mitchell, and Guidry not dropped passes that them in the hands, we?d be 10-2, everyone is happy and we wouldn?t have to read the absolutely useless information you bring to this board.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

And again I was a lot closer in my final W category then you. Had Willie, Mitchell, and Guidry not dropped passes that them in the hands, we?d be 10-2, everyone is happy and we wouldn?t have to read the absolutely useless information you bring to this board.

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I said we wouldn't win 9. We won 8. I was right. Spin away

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think part of it was the fact that it was a unique situation where you have a guy that while erratic on and off the field he has done a lot of good things at MSU. He was coming off of an injury and also had a shot to set a SEC record for rushing by a QB. He was the guy that MSU was promoting. But he also didn't fit the offense and got suspended the first game of the year. Maybe Joe doesn't trust KT either- regardless I think benching Nick could have been a mistake long term if you are talking about optics and QB recruiting.




I agree that you have to get more talent to fix that and make it more consistent. But our run/pass ratio was basically the same in 2018 as it was in 2017. The main difference I saw on paper was we actually increased our QB runs by 12% compared to 2017.




I don't think that Auburn fans and A&M fans demand that the coach to go to a run heavy offense because of it though. Or use that as an example of the coach not running a system that fits the personnel. Our fans tend to go to extremes because of one play that doesn't work out for us.

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If you are concerned with any of that in the first paragraph then it shows your mind aint right. His job is to prepare his players for life after he leaves them and to win. None of that has anything to do with those. Promotion and records dont make a damn at the end of the day. If he wasnt the best one or he wasnt doing what we coached him to do he shouldve been benched. Period. He didnt do that in the bowl and he left him out there instead of putting KT in. That is fact.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Bama was the #2 team in the country. LSU destroyed a 27 win streaking top 10 UCF, beat UGA, finished #6. Auburn beat Washington, LSU, and absolutely annihilated their bowl team. A&M played very good against Clemson and Bama, beat Kentucky, and like Auburn annihilated their bowl team.

OM and Arky were trash, but the West wasn't a joke this year. Even then we only lost to Bama and #6 LSU, going 4-2 vs the West. Playing @ the best Kentucky team in history and against the best UF team since early Muschamp were what brought us down.

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And if Moorhead had done what his team could do we wouldve had 2 losses. That UK and UF team had no business beating us but they did and that falls squarely on Moorhead. I could excuse the LSU loss bc they were pretty good esp at LSU but we could have won that. We were just as good as they were

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If you are concerned with any of that in the first paragraph then it shows your mind aint right. His job is to prepare his players for life after he leaves them and to win. None of that has anything to do with those. Promotion and records dont make a damn at the end of the day. If he wasnt the best one or he wasnt doing what we coached him to do he shouldve been benched. Period. He didnt do that in the bowl and he left him out there instead of putting KT in. That is fact.

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To this day, I can't believe he didn't sit Fitz at LSU.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

And again I was a lot closer in my final W category then you. Had Willie, Mitchell, and Guidry not dropped passes that them in the hands, we?d be 10-2, everyone is happy and we wouldn?t have to read the absolutely useless information you bring to this board.

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You cant blame an entire season on 3 plays dude. You cant be that shortsighted. That UF game wouldnt have been close had Moorhead done what his players could do. UK wouldnt have either. I've said that about 10 times already in this thread I know.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

To this day, I can't believe he didn't sit Fitz at LSU.

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To Fitz's credit he improved tremendously after that game and he shut a lot of people up. Then we played Iowa and he went backwards. I guess the time off hurt him bc he reverted to being an athlete and just trying to get by instead of doing what he had been doing and coached to do. He should have been sat down after the goaline series when he ran it 3 times in a row by his own choice

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

To this day, I can't believe he didn't sit Fitz at LSU.

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Hell, fitz got a hit the head that probably should've got him a trip to locker room. Key was out there like 1-2 plays and right back with fitz.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I said we wouldn't win 9. We won 8. I was right. Spin away

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Joe Lunardi should be nervous

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

If you are concerned with any of that in the first paragraph then it shows your mind aint right. His job is to prepare his players for life after he leaves them and to win. None of that has anything to do with those. Promotion and records dont make a damn at the end of the day. If he wasnt the best one or he wasnt doing what we coached him to do he shouldve been benched. Period. He didnt do that in the bowl and he left him out there instead of putting KT in. That is fact.

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Mullen also left Russell in instead of pulling him in Gator Bowl 2. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Joe Lunardi should be nervous

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He definetely should be.

Just shows how much this board has changed its tune since September. I was called an idiot for saying we weren't winning 9 at halftime of Kentucky game. Now 8 games is perfectly acceptable... joe dumbed down the expectations

I'm no Joe apologist but it's pretty obvious most people's preseason predictions weren't realistic. Quit breaking your arm trying to pat yourself on the back over it.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I'm no Joe apologist but it's pretty obvious most people's preseason predictions weren't realistic. Quit breaking your arm trying to pat yourself on the back over it.

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My original prediction was wrong. I said 10-2 with losses at Bama and LSU. Took about 20 mins of sec play to see we were not well coached

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He definetely should be.

Just shows how much this board has changed its tune since September. I was called an idiot for saying we weren't winning 9 at halftime of Kentucky game. Now 8 games is perfectly acceptable... joe dumbed down the expectations

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Yep, it's like he brainwashed the board in to lowered expectations....it's the damndest thing I've ever seen.

There's nothing we can do about it right now. Firing him this early would be just about the worst possible thing we could do to our program. It's literally suicide. Just gotta gut it out for minimum two more years and then make that call. I'm on record as saying Keytaon is gonna save Joe's ass though so I doubt it's after two more years we have a new coach.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

He definetely should be.

Just shows how much this board has changed its tune since September. I was called an idiot for saying we weren't winning 9 at halftime of Kentucky game. Now 8 games is perfectly acceptable... joe dumbed down the expectations

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I said eight before the season started. I said why too.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

There's nothing we can do about it right now. Firing him this early would be just about the worst possible thing we could do to our program. It's literally suicide. Just gotta gut it out for minimum two more years and then make that call. I'm on record as saying Keytaon is gonna save Joe's ass though so I doubt it's after two more years we have a new coach.

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Exactly. The unrelenting negativity here is just insane. It doesn't help a thing, why do it?

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I'm no Joe apologist but it's pretty obvious most people's preseason predictions weren't realistic. Quit breaking your arm trying to pat yourself on the back over it.

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Not really. Its sort of strange to me that most everyone's concerns before the season were about Shoop and the defense possibly not being as good. If you had told people that our 2019 defense with Shoop was going to be a step up from our 2018 defense with Grantham I bet almost everyone would been predicting us to have a 10-2 type season.