Bo Bounds: Would Hud Be 5-0 Right Now?

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10-04-2018, 12:34 PM
dawgs

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Originally Posted by msstate7

We won 34 his last 4 years. You taking the O/U on 34 wins the next 4 years?

Mullen's problem wasn't that he wasn't a good coach, it's that he had some glaring flaws we could all see that he refused to address that might have made him a great coach. Then couple that with job hunting every November for the last 5 years costing us numerous egg bowls when we came out flat and unprepared (since Mullen was more concerned with Minnesota and Maryland type job openingns than prepping for OM), and of course people are going to get tired of his bullshit. Thinking it was probably time for Mullen to move on if he wasn't going to buy all in and stop job hunting does not mean we don't think he did a good job here (could've been better really), it just means we wanted a coach that wanted to be here and might be willing to take a look at his own flaws and work to correct them.
10-04-2018, 12:35 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked

Mullen would have had us 5-0..... then we lose at LSU, Bama and Ole Miss.

So now we just lose to all 3, and we lost these 2
10-04-2018, 12:41 PM
MetEdDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Let me pose this question: If we still can't pour piss out of a boot with this offense by the Egg Bowl what makes you think we never win fewer than 9 games starting next year?

Well for right now I think it's too soon to judge what's going to happen. We still have more than half the season left. But if it's not better by Ole Miss then we have an issue we have to seriously address. So far we have a problem that I believe can be corrected. But if we make it to the end of the year and it's still this bad, then I'm gonna be very concerned and a change may need to happen.

The problem we have is that people are pissed now and want to do something now. So badly that we have had people say fire Joe Mo now, put Hud in his place, or that we should have hired some other G5 HC or hot shot OC. That's just plain stupid. It's literally too early to make any predictions because we have a chance to beat Auburn right in front of us plus an off week to adjust. If we beat Auburn, a whole mess of people are gonna have to eat crow because a bunch on here said we wouldn't win that game. And those of you that said that better not use the argument that Auburn isn't what we thought they were and then not use the same argument for our team.

We still don't know what we are yet. Right now we aren't good, but that's not an indicator that we will be not good the rest of the year. I'm choosing to reserve judgment until I have more data points. Additionally, I would think the recruiting response we've had publicly by our commits speaks volumes about the types of changes we are seeing from this staff. They clearly have the recruiting stuff down if guys like Pickering, who are being chased by Bama, are saying hey stay with MSU don't bail. That's huge.
10-04-2018, 12:48 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Well for right now I think it's too soon to judge what's going to happen. We still have more than half the season left. But if it's not better by Ole Miss then we have an issue we have to seriously address. So far we have a problem that I believe can be corrected. But if we make it to the end of the year and it's still this bad, then I'm gonna be very concerned and a change may need to happen.

The problem we have is that people are pissed now and want to do something now. So badly that we have had people say fire Joe Mo now, put Hud in his place, or that we should have hired some other G5 HC or hot shot OC. That's just plain stupid. It's literally too early to make any predictions because we have a chance to beat Auburn right in front of us plus an off week to adjust. If we beat Auburn, a whole mess of people are gonna have to eat crow because a bunch on here said we wouldn't win that game. And those of you that said that better not use the argument that Auburn isn't what we thought they were and then not use the same argument for our team.

We still don't know what we are yet. Right now we aren't good, but that's not an indicator that we will be not good the rest of the year. I'm choosing to reserve judgment until I have more data points. Additionally, I would think the recruiting response we've had publicly by our commits speaks volumes about the types of changes we are seeing from this staff. They clearly have the recruiting stuff down if guys like Pickering, who are being chased by Bama, are saying hey stay with MSU don't bail. That's huge.

^^^ THIS. If Joe is who we thought we hired, we right the ship, and could plausibly still beat any team left on the schedule not named Bama. That's why teams that panic under adversity lose the season, but teams that battle their way through adversity can still be successful.
10-04-2018, 12:53 PM
basedog

Isn't it time to move from Mullen? It's over, gone and never coming back NOR will we ever know how this season would be with him or anyone else!

Hailstate!
10-04-2018, 12:54 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Well for right now I think it's too soon to judge what's going to happen. We still have more than half the season left. But if it's not better by Ole Miss then we have an issue we have to seriously address. So far we have a problem that I believe can be corrected. But if we make it to the end of the year and it's still this bad, then I'm gonna be very concerned and a change may need to happen.

The problem we have is that people are pissed now and want to do something now. So badly that we have had people say fire Joe Mo now, put Hud in his place, or that we should have hired some other G5 HC or hot shot OC. That's just plain stupid. It's literally too early to make any predictions because we have a chance to beat Auburn right in front of us plus an off week to adjust. If we beat Auburn, a whole mess of people are gonna have to eat crow because a bunch on here said we wouldn't win that game. And those of you that said that better not use the argument that Auburn isn't what we thought they were and then not use the same argument for our team.

We still don't know what we are yet. Right now we aren't good, but that's not an indicator that we will be not good the rest of the year. I'm choosing to reserve judgment until I have more data points. Additionally, I would think the recruiting response we've had publicly by our commits speaks volumes about the types of changes we are seeing from this staff. They clearly have the recruiting stuff down if guys like Pickering, who are being chased by Bama, are saying hey stay with MSU don't bail. That's huge.

We hired the best OC in the country last year so hiring the next guy is as much of a risk as seeing if Joe can get us going. If we go the rest of the year with zero improvement then maybe you look at getting someone else.
10-04-2018, 12:58 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Well for right now I think it's too soon to judge what's going to happen. We still have more than half the season left. But if it's not better by Ole Miss then we have an issue we have to seriously address. So far we have a problem that I believe can be corrected. But if we make it to the end of the year and it's still this bad, then I'm gonna be very concerned and a change may need to happen.

The problem we have is that people are pissed now and want to do something now. So badly that we have had people say fire Joe Mo now, put Hud in his place, or that we should have hired some other G5 HC or hot shot OC. That's just plain stupid. It's literally too early to make any predictions because we have a chance to beat Auburn right in front of us plus an off week to adjust. If we beat Auburn, a whole mess of people are gonna have to eat crow because a bunch on here said we wouldn't win that game. And those of you that said that better not use the argument that Auburn isn't what we thought they were and then not use the same argument for our team.

We still don't know what we are yet. Right now we aren't good, but that's not an indicator that we will be not good the rest of the year. I'm choosing to reserve judgment until I have more data points. Additionally, I would think the recruiting response we've had publicly by our commits speaks volumes about the types of changes we are seeing from this staff. They clearly have the recruiting stuff down if guys like Pickering, who are being chased by Bama, are saying hey stay with MSU don't bail. That's huge.

Excellent response.

I don't like the way things are trending right now. We need to see this offense start clicking against a SEC opponent. Beating La Tech 50-10 does absolutely nothing for us.
10-04-2018, 01:10 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by basedog

Isn't it time to move from Mullen? It's over, gone and never coming back NOR will we ever know how this season would be with him or anyone else!

Hailstate!

I miss him soooo baaad. We'd be 5-0 with him right now. He won sooo many big games for us. He's the greatest. *****
10-04-2018, 01:15 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Excellent response.

I don't like the way things are trending right now. We need to see this offense start clicking against a SEC opponent. Beating La Tech 50-10 does absolutely nothing for us.

That's why I hold out hope that these 2 games were our learning curve. How many times over the past 9 years did our offense struggle against UAB, La Tech, USA, and we end up in a dog fight? How many times did our defense turn putrid and we have to fight off Samford or UMASS?
10-04-2018, 01:19 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I miss him soooo baaad. We'd be 5-0 with him right now. He won sooo many big games for us. He's the greatest. *****

Now we can't even win not big games. Hell of an upgrade
10-04-2018, 01:21 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Now we can't even win not big games. Hell of an upgrade

Just like 2016 ... Mullen's 8th year as HC.
10-04-2018, 01:21 PM
fishwater99

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Originally Posted by basedog

I know the season looks bad and may be bad the rest of the year but I've never seen a Coach get as much heat at Msu in year one as Moorhead. I have said several times I don't like what I have seen but it's year one.

I sure hope we beat Auburn to silent the crowd a little. I'm thinking it will be a close game because Auburn has issues as well.

When is the last time a first year coach inherited a team this good? We usually fire a coach, they don't just leave like Mullen did..
10-04-2018, 01:23 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

When is the last time a first year coach inherited a team this good? We usually fire a coach, they don't just leave like Mullen did..

I would say Smart’s first year at GA maybe the closest example.
10-04-2018, 01:25 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Just like 2016 ... Mullen's 8th year as HC.

Mullen took over a dumpster fire and we were pretty dang competitive with Tyson freaking lee at qb. Moorhead has turned the sec total yardage leader into less of a qb than Tyson lee was. This season is an abortion, and it's embarrassing y'all think Moorhead isn't to blame. Moorhead can't hold mullen's jock, and Mullen is only a good coach (not even close to elite)
10-04-2018, 01:30 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I would say Smart’s first year at GA maybe the closest example.

Yeah, Kirby caught hell that first year at Georgia. I'm kinda hoping this is our transition year to a new coach and scheme. And then next season we look damn good on offense. (Crosses fingers.)
10-04-2018, 01:34 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, Kirby caught hell that first year at Georgia. I'm kinda hoping this is our transition year to a new coach and scheme. And then next season we look damn good on offense. (Crosses fingers.)

Signing swift and Fromm would go a long way towards that
10-04-2018, 01:36 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Signing swift and Fromm would go a long way towards that

But who thought Jake Fromm was going to do that his freshman year?
10-04-2018, 01:41 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

But who thought Jake Fromm was going to do that his freshman year?

247 had him the #2 pro qb in the class
10-04-2018, 01:59 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Mullen took over a dumpster fire and we were pretty dang competitive with Tyson freaking lee at qb. Moorhead has turned the sec total yardage leader into less of a qb than Tyson lee was. This season is an abortion, and it's embarrassing y'all think Moorhead isn't to blame. Moorhead can't hold mullen's jock, and Mullen is only a good coach (not even close to elite)

QB - not great but we sat a 4 star Tyler Russell on the bench

Anthony Dixon led the SEC in rushing and played awhile in the NFL.
Christian Ducre

WR
Brandon McRae - 51 receptions 518 yards 3 TDs in previous year
Leon Berry
Chad Bumphis
Brandon Heavens
Chris Smith
Ricco Sanders

OL
Experienced Oline returning from previous year - similar to this year

1st Round LT - Derek Sherrod
JC Brigone - Junior
Craig Jenkins - Senior
Addison Lawrence - Sophomore
Quentin Saulsberry - played in NFL - Sophomore

Defense had a shit load of talent.

Kyle Love - Long time NFL starter at DT
Pernell McPhee - Long time NFL starter at DE
Josh Boyd - Freshman - Long time NFL starter
Fletcher Cox - Freshman - One of top DT in NFL
Jamar Chaney - NFL LB
Chris White - NFL LB - won Conerly Trophy
KJ Wright - One of top OLB Coverage in NFL
Charles Mitchell - played a little NFL
Jon Banks - Freshman year - played a good bit
Corey Broomfield - Freshman year - played a good bit
10-04-2018, 02:06 PM
drunkernhelldawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

No state coach has ever taken over a team this talented. Joe fed the expectations.... know your ring size, fitz Heisman talk, no one has ever picked this offense up so quick, etc. He deserves every bit of the criticism

To me, "We Believe" was worse.

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