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03-28-2018, 06:24 PM
Doggie_Style

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Originally Posted by dawgs

I’m sick of hearing we need more time to get talent on campus. we had to wait for Cohen to build up. Now we get to wait for whoever to build up again. We shouldn’t have these big lulls. Not with the commitment to the program we have. Football is a development program for us, baseball should not be. Go get a coach who will turn us into a top 20-25/fringe regional host discussion type team in “down” years and a national seed and national title contender in peak years. There’s literally no excuse why we can’t have a program with that kinda consistency. Sure 1 or 2 bad years happen, but we have far too many bad years mixed in over the last 15 years. Meanwhile Nichols st beats our ass midweek. Pisses me off, demand better. We have put too much into the program to accept anything less.

Not to be Captain Obvious but Cann was a disaster hire....let’s hope Cohen gets it right
03-28-2018, 06:40 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

McMahon II?? ***

+1 and LMBO!

I will say I really liked Pat, but RP was a major problem for Pat. Looked over his shoulder and just wouldn't let the program go and getting in the way. Never could blame Pat for leaving, I think he was good Coach and left alone would have done really good things at Msu.
03-28-2018, 06:43 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by basedog

How would you know or do you know, just asking? I'm just gonna say again what ED wants is one thing, what Cohen, players, and even recruits what may or could be a whole different things.

I'm going sit and enjoy this thing, I do think Cohen will make a good pick regardless what I think and most on ED think?

I am kinda amazed and a little surprised about what I'm hearing, I have a slightly different view now. I do have a decent view anyway if you know what I mean.

Great post.
03-28-2018, 06:46 PM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by basedog

I'd rather hold off, I do have an interest, let me give you a hint, he is a HC, he does know a lot about Msu, he is a good recruiter better than what I though actually, he is a pitching coach, he has ties to the SEC from more than one SEC program.

Who this Coach is may not get the job nor want it, but I do know commits and recruits talk about him and hope he gets the job.

LOL Base. you might as well have spelled his name . thanks man.
03-28-2018, 07:02 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Bully13

LOL Base. you might as well have spelled his name . thanks man.

Does that mean I'm Elite now? Where the hell is my rep points, I mean am I not worthy? LOL!

In the future hopefully I will be able to say more about recruiting and future Dawgs! Maybe in the future I might not be able to read ED, I'm getting to old to really kick someone's ass like I use too!
03-28-2018, 07:17 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by basedog

I'd rather hold off, I do have an interest, let me give you a hint, he is a HC, he does know a lot about Msu, he is a good recruiter better than what I though actually, he is a pitching coach, he has ties to the SEC from more than one SEC program.

Who this Coach is may not get the job nor want it, but I do know commits and recruits talk about him and hope he gets the job.

I knew there was a reason Polk finally came to a game a couple weeks ago... he was interviewing with Cohen and will be making his return to coaching. Here is hoping the 3rd time is the charm...***
03-28-2018, 07:24 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

I knew there was a reason Polk finally came to a game a couple weeks ago... he was interviewing with Cohen and will be making his return to coaching. Here is hoping the 3rd time is the charm...***

Another +1
03-28-2018, 07:36 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by basedog

+1 and LMBO!

I will say I really liked Pat, but RP was a major problem for Pat. Looked over his shoulder and just wouldn't let the program go and getting in the way. Never could blame Pat for leaving, I think he was good Coach and left alone would have done really good things at Msu.

As someone who know him well you couldn?t be more wrong. Mac made a major 17 up and he knows exactly what it was RP had nothing to do with it and nothing to do with him going to Fla.u
03-28-2018, 07:44 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

As someone who know him well you couldn?t be more wrong. Mac made a major 17 up and he knows exactly what it was RP had nothing to do with it and nothing to do with him going to Fla.u

Interesting, clue me in.
03-28-2018, 08:01 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by dawgs

I’m sick of hearing we need more time to get talent on campus. we had to wait for Cohen to build up. Now we get to wait for whoever to build up again. We shouldn’t have these big lulls. Not with the commitment to the program we have. Football is a development program for us, baseball should not be. Go get a coach who will turn us into a top 20-25/fringe regional host discussion type team in “down” years and a national seed and national title contender in peak years. There’s literally no excuse why we can’t have a program with that kinda consistency. Sure 1 or 2 bad years happen, but we have far too many bad years mixed in over the last 15 years. Meanwhile Nichols st beats our ass midweek. Pisses me off, demand better. We have put too much into the program to accept anything less.

Unfortunately- baseball recruiting is the hardest of the Big 3. Recruits in baseball these days are committing earlier and getting locked in with coaches. Then you add in that by the end of the season- nearly all of the decent recruits are signed with programs. So anybody we hire- gets nothing to add recruiting-wise for the 2019 season. Our new coach coaches his 1st season with a completely inherited roster. So now he starts recruiting- and so many recruits are already committed to other programs- he has to get the best of the rest. So its going to be until 2020 until our new coach starts getting his recruits into the program and on the field. Cann was really awesome on the recruiting trial- and you see the minimal impact his guys have had this year paired with Cohen's leftovers.

No matter who we hire- its going to be a rebuild
03-28-2018, 08:34 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Doggie_Style

Not to be Captain Obvious but Cann was a disaster hire....let’s hope Cohen gets it right

The end result was a disaster. But it wasn't a bad hire.
03-28-2018, 09:00 PM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

As someone who know him well you couldn?t be more wrong. Mac made a major 17 up and he knows exactly what it was RP had nothing to do with it and nothing to do with him going to Fla.u

are we talking about the author who lives in VA?
03-28-2018, 09:26 PM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Unfortunately- baseball recruiting is the hardest of the Big 3. Recruits in baseball these days are committing earlier and getting locked in with coaches.

No matter who we hire- its going to be a rebuild

Are you saying that these 3 recruiting classes are basically going to disappear, almost regardless of coach we hire?

In that case. We better sell the new stadium for scrap metal and crushed aggregate material.

This seems like the baseball program got an NCAA death penalty
03-28-2018, 09:29 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

Are you saying that these 3 recruiting classes are basically going to disappear, almost regardless of coach we hire?

In that case. We better sell the new stadium for scrap metal and crushed aggregate material.

This seems like the baseball program got an NCAA death penalty

Holding these next 3 recruiting classes together will be very difficult
03-28-2018, 09:45 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

The end result was a disaster. But it wasn't a bad hire.

His tenure lasted roughly 14 months, so however you want to slice it - Cann was a bad hire. It’s not even debatable.
03-28-2018, 10:07 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Holding these next 3 recruiting classes together will be very difficult

Inevitably some are going to go pro. That was never going to change. The fact that we haven't had any de-commits tells me that recruits are going to wait and see who the new coach is at least.
03-28-2018, 10:26 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Bully13

are we talking about the author who lives in VA?

Assuming that was it, where PM totally torked off Grisham and now all his money goes to UVA. Still hard to believe Mac would have been that stupid.
03-29-2018, 08:44 AM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

His tenure lasted roughly 14 months, so however you want to slice it - Cann was a bad hire. It’s not even debatable.

If Canny doesn't become a dumbass chasing the poon then he is a great hire. Setting up top 5 recruiting classes and in his first year getting to a Super isn't a bad hire. I would guess there isn't anyone that expected Canny to do what he did.

Was Richard Williams a bad hire also since he "retired" for something worse? What would be the time limit on deciding that?
03-29-2018, 09:15 AM
The Federalist Engineer

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Assuming that was it, where PM totally torked off Grisham and now all his money goes to UVA. Still hard to believe Mac would have been that stupid.

So, the Grisham story that I have understood is that John’s son Ty Grisham wanted to play for MSU in around the 2000-2001 season. The kid was not a great prospect and McMahon did not want to entertain Ty even as a walk-on candidate. Maybe it was more, maybe Grisham wanted Ty on the 35 man-roster.

This made John Grisham very sour with MSU. At the same time, the moribund baseball program at UVA is willing to have Ty on the team. UVA in 2000 almost did not have any program, so why not have Ty on the team.

They accepted Ty as both a walk-on and into the 35-man-roster. In his 4 years at UVA, Ty got 12 at-bats in mop-up duty. Ty is very proud of being a pity case player and has “ball player” status listed in his on-line bio. In fairness to MSU it should read, “my dad paid for me to be a make-believe baseball player in college.”

In gratitude for Ty being on the team. John Grisham gave $3M dollars for a UVA stadium project and injected new life into the UVA program. Ty left UVA baseball in 2003 and Brian O’Conner came to town in 2004. The rest is history.

The punch-line is that Pat McMahan and MSU should have given “Fredo” Grisham a break, it would have kept a very influential alumnus happy.
03-29-2018, 09:33 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

So, the Grisham story that I have understood is that John’s son Ty Grisham wanted to play for MSU in around the 2000-2001 season. The kid was not a great prospect and McMahon did not want to entertain Ty even as a walk-on candidate. Maybe it was more, maybe Grisham wanted Ty on the 35 man-roster.

This made John Grisham very sour with MSU. At the same time, the moribund baseball program at UVA is willing to have Ty on the team. UVA in 2000 almost did not have any program, so why not have Ty on the team.

They accepted Ty as both a walk-on and into the 35-man-roster. In his 4 years at UVA, Ty got 12 at-bats in mop-up duty. Ty is very proud of being a pity case player and has “ball player” status listed in his on-line bio. In fairness to MSU it should read, “my dad paid for me to be a make-believe baseball player in college.”

In gratitude for Ty being on the team. John Grisham gave $3M dollars for a UVA stadium project and injected new life into the UVA program. Ty left UVA baseball in 2003 and Brian O’Conner came to town in 2004. The rest is history.

The punch-line is that Pat McMahan and MSU should have given “Fredo” Grisham a break, it would have kept a very influential alumnus happy.

Even worse there was no 35 man limit at that time.

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