Lovett decommitted

I’m sorry, but Lovett is not a difference maker. Losing him doesn’t make a damn. He’d redshirt next year and probably play very sparingly as RS Fr. I’d take him but I’m not going to cry about him going somewhere else. Too many others as good or better out there.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Yep. And they had this planned to happen after our bowl game and most especially now that we won

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Think about it. What a great time for a flip but right after the team you have been committed to, wins it's bowl game.

Yeah, I don't want to play for that bunch, I want to go help out a team sitting on their butts at home after going 6 and 6 and on probation.

That makes a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Ok, what is your solution genius? Start a bidding war for a 3star player?? Good grief you need a xanax

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What is yours?

Start by agreeing that there is a problem.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We had a major thread the other day about how close we were to being a real
Competitor in college football and, if we could sign 2 or so more quality players a year, that might become a reality.

That why we are obsessed. Because we are close and losing recruiting battles like this hurts.

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Really.... its all about a recruit? I think its more about lack of life and meaning.

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Originally Posted by Coach

I think its more about lack of life and meaning.

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Thanks for the unsolicited advice about how I should live my life.

To think that we should ?flip one of their recruits for show? is asinine. We don?t need to play into their game. If some dumbass recruit wants to go play for Matt F?n Luke, then they probably aren?t worth it.
We all got worked up over Snoop Brassell, Tobias, CJ, Pat Pat, and others and CJ was the only one who we might have gotten anything out of. And he didn?t even have a cup of coffee in the League.
R-E-L-A-X

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Ok, who?s job is it then or are we just conceding players?

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Yours. I?m retired.

Shotgun, if you want these kinds of things to end, this is all you have to do:

Coordinate State boosters all over the country and tell them they have to blindly donate to "the fund" as petty cash to give to recruits. Then coordinate jobs for parents of recruits that pay $150K per year or more with very minimal effort or skill.

That's all it takes to recruit like OM, Auburn, Bama, Georgia, etc. Just dont BBD one of the Blue-Bloods at the last minute

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Originally Posted by Kyper

Shotgun, if you want these kinds of things to end, this is all you have to do:

Coordinate State boosters all over the country and tell them they have to blindly donate to "the fund" as petty cash to give to recruits. Then coordinate jobs for parents of recruits that pay $150K per year or more with very minimal effort or skill.

That's all it takes to recruit like OM, Auburn, Bama, Georgia, etc. Just dont BBD one of the Blue-Bloods at the last minute

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So, since other SEC schools do this, are you saying that MSU lacks the resources to recruit well in the SEC?

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Originally Posted by Kyper

Shotgun, if you want these kinds of things to end, this is all you have to do:

Coordinate State boosters all over the country and tell them they have to blindly donate to "the fund" as petty cash to give to recruits. Then coordinate jobs for parents of recruits that pay $150K per year or more with very minimal effort or skill.

That's all it takes to recruit like OM, Auburn, Bama, Georgia, etc. Just dont BBD one of the Blue-Bloods at the last minute

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Or, we can (wait for it) NOT CHEAT blatantly, and institute a geographic plan for filling our roster with Alabama and Louisiana players who feel like MSU is close to home. Hopefully we also have an X/O advantage to sell.

Look I understand we play the game with a few guys annually in Mississippi, but it’s not as widespread as others. Cheating can’t be our main recruiting plan. That’s just not the MSU culture. Let that go.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

So, since other SEC schools do this, are you saying that MSU lacks the resources to recruit well in the SEC?

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State lacks the coordinated effort and commitment of other schools. Too many wannabe Chiefs and not enough Indians. Bama doesnt have to pay recruits to visit like OM does, but you can damn well bet Bama lines up 6-figure jobs for the parents of major signees. Nick Saban has relatively little knowledge of it but he damn sure expects it to happen for signing day because his wish list is known to the chief who makes the rest happen. State has nothing closely resembling this.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

No I get it.

Kind of in jest making a point though that it?s going to be tough to take the next step so long as our depth gets plucked out from under us.

Even if OM is willing to pay recruits, you can?t allow them to just pluck the ones they want to pay every year. They just flipped half our DL class in the past 2 weeks.

Just curious, are we helpless against this? Are we just conceding players?

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Gun I am seeing rumors Williams has grade issues and possibly the same with Lovett, are they worth the effort? We do not need to pay players and incur the same bad name that Mississippi has incurred.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Yours. I?m retired.

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Haha. Awesome

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

It?s the fact that we knew this was coming and could do nothing about it that bothers me.

And for me, it?s not so much about Lovett as it is the bigger picture.

If they can this easily flip half our DL class, then what is going to prevent them from dominating the 2019 class, flipping future croots?

When will MSU stop allowing this to happen?

Perhaps I don?t get it. Maybe ifyouonlyknew was right, because it looks to me like we just sit back and watch OM do anything they want and then throw our hands up in helplessness.

Again, maybe I don?t get it. If so, can someone explain it?

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Here's your sign. they are 17 - 18 year old kids, there is nothing you can do to explain or control their rationale. You are getting way too over invested in what an 18 year old does.

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Originally Posted by Kyper

State lacks the coordinated effort and commitment of other schools. Too many wannabe Chiefs and not enough Indians. Bama doesnt have to pay recruits to visit like OM does, but you can damn well bet Bama lines up 6-figure jobs for the parents of major signees. Nick Saban has relatively little knowledge of it but he damn sure expects it to happen for signing day because his wish list is known to the chief who makes the rest happen. State has nothing closely resembling this.

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Completely agree & until we correct this....

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

Here's your sign. they are 17 - 18 year old kids, there is nothing you can do to explain or control their rationale. You are getting way too over invested in what an 18 year old does.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

Define Allowing, Shotgun. You can?t control everything and everybody and we are not losing any recruits we want out of malfeasance.

The NCAA had an easy chance to make a statement and punted.

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Exactly, once the COI announced those pathetic sanctions, UNM had the green light to carry on as usual (the only way they know how to do things). When you have an unethical recruiting school like the Plantation in a state with the poverty you deal with in MS its always going to be a significant factor and appealing to certain families that are just looking to get something in the short term without really factoring in the long term view. I figured with us at a bowl game and UNM at home that we would lose a player or two just because the Rebs THRIVE during the dead period while our staff is out of the picture. Just another reason I personally like the early signing period. No doubt losing both Williams and Lovett is a big deal. Our DL needs some guys to learn the ropes in 2018 and be ready to step up in 2019. Heck, UNM already signed 4 DTs (1 JUCO) in the early period so competition is obviously not the primary reason for flipping. Still hard to believe the COI essentially gave OM the green light to keep on keepin' on. If UNM gets the 2nd year bowl ban overturned I will literally puke.

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Originally Posted by Mutt the Hoople

Today's NFL has become a pariah to many patriotic Americans, what with the Colin Kaepernick kneeling bullshit. When they see so many Mississippi State players that are successful in the NFL, they're afraid that they'll develop such skills as to get into the League, and be forced to kneel before the National Anthem, or their opinions about Donald Trump, the economy, foreign policy, etc.

However, if they go to Ole Miss, they know they'll never have to worry about whether to kneel or not during the National Anthem, or have to answer hard questions. So, perhaps these children are trying to be patriotic Americans.

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Sound Logic! (but really funny)

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

The only thing that will stop it is shutting the OM Network down.

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Agree... They won't ever stop. It makes no difference if we play the game or not. It doesn't matter if we kill their first born child. Some folks can be bought (money or otherwise) easier than others. They will never quit trying to help themselves while hurting us by any means necessary.

Our focus should be trying to have the best team we can have, which includes getting the best players we can get. It doesn't matter how you get them or where you get them from. You just need to get them. We are likely going to lose a couple of recruits every year. That is almost impossible to stop. We need to make sure we're planning for it in advance.

That was orchestrated - he was going to decommit awhile back.