OM to deny majority of violations

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The time for that has come and gone. He has already given his interviews with the investigators and his response to the NOA. What is left is the COI meeting and penalty phase.

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Was kind of said in jest, but I'm sure they would lesson his penalties for more info, don't you think? Just guessing here.

the meek, uneducated, uninformed and in this case, the dumb and stupid.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

The NCAA ain't gonna believe him unless he has recordings, pictures or documents. Very concrete proof. Because OM is painting him as a bat shit crazy rouge who is nothing but a liar.

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I really don't think it'll take recordings or anything like that. It'll only take Barn telling them something remotely close to what they already have heard or know. Yes, OM is trying to paint him as a raving lunatic but the problem with that is the NCAA already has a ton more dirt on OM than they do Barn. It'd be comparable to OJ calling someone else a killer.

Interesting that his lawyer is from Houston and is a big Rice booster. Farrar worked at Rice at one time. It looks like he reached out to an old friend from then instead of someone who might be influenced by UNM. He does not list NCAA issues as an area of expertise on the firms website. But he does go to Indianapolis, presumably to talk to the NCAA. It appears he then calls around to area news media to get the word out (back to UNM?). Why else would the station in Evansville go to Indianapolis to interview him? Curiouser and curiouser...

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Spider and his "big ole miss booster" golfing buddies have said all along that OM will skate. I guess this is his/their last ditch effort to find a reason as to why they'll escape harsh penalties. He thinks the NCAA won't believe Barney because Ole Miss is painting him to be a lying, crazy, rouge cheating coach. And for some explicable reason, the NCAA will believe OM!?! He thinks the NCAA can't see the whole picture:

1) Barney lied to protect OM
2) OM back stabs Barney
3) Barney tells the truth
4) NCAA believes Barney

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I never said that,unlike 99% of those here, I have never said what kind of penalties OM will get. That's because NO one knows and anybody saying with certain what is gonna happen is just a wild ass guess.

As far as what is happening with Barney, my thoughts today were a reaction to that article. I've gone on record that, no matter how it happens, OM's defenfense would to be blame Barney and the boosters an save Freeze. Looks spot on so far.

And, as far as my sources, let's go back to AJ Brown when 99% on here said he's a dog. I said no and was called a reb lover just like today. On the day Willie gay 1st commited publicly to a school, 99% here said it would be State. I said no. I also never said where he would sign, but as of that day he was gonna commit to OM.

Some, laughably, thought we had a shot at Bowie. i said no way in hell.

Today's article, on my 1st reading, made me think OM was gonna change course and blame Barney. But after reading it, and watching the vid a couple of times it seems aful hinky now. As i said earlier, who knows now what will happen, but people who matter at OM, and who have a say in things their really believe their plan will save Freeze.

They aren't pumping sunshine , they believe they've done it. Have they? I have no idea. I put nothing past some of those people.

Hell, my wish is for the whole school to be closed, but wish in one and shit in the other, it ain't gonna happen.

As one Loyalty foundation member told me, if you see Freeze get fired at anytime before the season, you will know then we are royally F--ked.

I just report what I'm hearing. Never said if that's whats gonna happen.

Freeze is done. If I remember correctly, he was mentioned in a Level 1 in the original NOA for taking a booster to visit a recruit. I thought they would clean house once they received the addendum and pin it on Freeze, but they've decided to go down with the ship. If they go in front of the COI with the "Barney did it all" defense, they will be laughed out of the building. Cheating while being investigated plus thinking the COI consists of a bunch of gullible fools will end up getting them such severe penalties that they will be wishing for the death penalty.

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

No, Barney isn't getting ALL the blame. All the blame will go to Hugh Freeze and their athletic dept that hired him and had two other programs on probation too. Bro you have been compromised by the Russians.

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GD, shit flies right over people's heads. I will type slow... I HAVE NO IDEA IF THE NCAA IS GONNA BLAME BARNEY, HUGH FREEZE OR YOUR ASS. WHAT I DO KNOW IT THAT OLE MISS IS EITHER GOING TO BLAME BARNEY OR BARNEY WILL TAKE THE BLAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. WILL IT WORK? I HAVE NO GD F--KING IDEA

Is that plain enough?

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

I thought after reading the article that was maybe what had happened. Now, I'm not sure.

But yes, if he all of a sudden did come out with a bunch of new dirt, they wouldn't give it much credibility.

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Sure they would. The NCAA is not an impartial jury. They are judge, jury, and executioner. If they believe these things happened and Farrar is saying they did, they won't care a bit about how credible he is. They will point to Farrar's testimony and consider it evidence.

The NCAA also knows this case is huge for them. And they just recently changed their standards to make coaches even more responsible for everything that happens under their watch because they don't want coaches to skate by saying they had no knowledge.

Your perspective on this makes little sense.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

GD, shit flies right over people's heads. I will type slow... I HAVE NO IDEA IF THE NCAA IS GONNA BLAME BARNEY, HUGH FREEZE OR YOUR ASS. WHAT I DO KNOW IT THAT OLE MISS IS EITHER GOING TO BLAME BARNEY OR BARNEY WILL TAKE THE BLAME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE. WILL IT WORK? I HAVE NO GD F--KING IDEA

Is that plain enough?

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Of course Ole Miss will blame others. Based on everything we know about the NCAA, it will absolutely not work.

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The current list of allegations brought against Ole Miss and its football staff is the most significant list of charges against a NCAA program in 30 years, according to those with knowledgeable about the history of NCAA allegations.

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http://44news.wevv.com/ole-miss-foot...aa-violations/

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They worked hard for it too!

Why is Spider catching so much hell? He's troubleshooting this thing out loud, on the board. He's made some good and interesting points. I get that y'all want to burn it to the ground but this process is nuanced with numerous different angles and strategies at play. Theorizing is fun. More fun than repeatedly screaming death penalty like you have some strain of ole miss autism.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Sure they would. The NCAA is not an impartial jury. They are judge, jury, and executioner. If they believe these things happened and Farrar is saying they did, they won't care a bit about how credible he is. They will point to Farrar's testimony and consider it evidence.

The NCAA also knows this case is huge for them. And they just recently changed their standards to make coaches even more responsible for everything that happens under their watch because they don't want coaches to skate by saying they had no knowledge.

Your perspective on this makes little sense.

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any thing he would say now would be a whole new investigation. and if so, they ain't just gonna go on his word. he better have to proof. Rosie has said many times, since the Miami case, the NCAA is only gonna give credence to things that are easy to prove. He said she said ain't gonna work.

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

Why is Spider catching so much hell? He's troubleshooting this thing out loud, on the board. He's made some good and interesting points. I get that y'all want to burn it to the ground but this process is nuanced with numerous different angles and strategies being at playing. Theorizing is fun. More fun than repeatedly screaming death penalty like you have some strain of ole miss autism.

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Thank you for getting it

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Originally Posted by Boodawg

Was kind of said in jest, but I'm sure they would lesson his penalties for more info, don't you think? Just guessing here.

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To do that though means they have to reopen the investigation phase again. They are ready to hand out penalties now. Everything is already done when you get to the COI. New testimony or changing testimony after the response is not allowed. That's why anything dealing immunity to get more information can't be done at this point. Also, when it comes to immunity, the investigators can't just hand out immunity to get information. It has to be approved before hand by the COI chair and the investigators have to actually document what they have and what they are hoping immunity will collaborate. They know a violation occurred but they need immunity testimony to collaborate that infraction.

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Originally Posted by Coach

http://44news.wevv.com/ole-miss-foot...aa-violations/

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They worked hard for it too!

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Move that back to it's own topic. You know that Ole Miss fans are watching it. Let them READ IT! LOL!

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

As many on here have seen me post ad nauseum .. the plan all along is to have Barney and boosters take the hit.

It's the only hope they have. They have to try to convince the NCAA that Freeze was a stickler for compliance, and that he stayed on top of it but despite him being the most diligent HC on compliance in the nation, Barney went rouge and set up the booster involvement.

The boosters will take the hit because of their love for OM.

Barney is now damaged goods and ,in the NCAA's eyes, an uncreditable witness. He has already been caught lying to them. Of course he was under the impression that he was to be taken care of by OM. Once he lied for them, OM got what they wanted. They then stabbed him in the back. They could now point to him and say "See!!! He's a liar!!! He set all this up!! He's been lying to us all along!"

So they fire him and Barney now threatens to burn them. OM laughs and says go ahead, they ain't gonna believe you. You're a proven liar who is now just a disgruntled employee.

Plus the boosters are gonna claim it was all Barney too.

OM has fired no one else in a case with "the largest violations the NCAA has brought against one school in 30 years." Think about that.

Poor ole Barn, fell for Freeze's "Faith and Family" bullshit hook,line and sinker. I'm to lazy to go back and look up all the Freeze quotes and tweets about his "Brother in Christ" Barney and all their walks and talks in their spiritual journeys. Nothing but praises for poor ole Barn until he got suspended.

And then Freeze goes out yesterday and talks about how confident he is that he has clean hands, and how he asked Bjork and Vitter could he do anything to be better at compliance, and that they said no. Then that new rules are "reckless"

I think he's an actual sociopath. Dan Wolken called he and Butch Jones basically the 2 most un- self aware coaches in the nation yesterday in a tweet.

The Culture of Corruption is all in. If Freeze, and others on his staff survive this, the new rules are "there are no rules"

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That line of reasoning makes a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

any thing he would say now would be a whole new investigation. and if so, they ain't just gonna go on his word. he better have to proof. Rosie has said many times, since the Miami case, the NCAA is only gonna give credence to things that are easy to prove. He said she said ain't gonna work.

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Regardless, your views aren't consistent. Farrar won't have credibility when throwing out new allegations...but he would have credibility if he said it was all him? Why would the NCAA care in one case but not the other?

And the NCAA has made it clear that the HC is responsible for things that happen under them, whether they have direct knowledge or not. In fact, the NCAA has already directly charged Freeze specifically with failing to promote or monitor compliance. So I don't know where this idea that they could pin it all on somebody else to save Freeze or themselves comes from.

[QUOTE=Coach;753306]http://44news.wevv.com/ole-miss-foot...aa-violations/

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It's odd how this article left the following quote out, but the SDS article includes it. Why would they take the best part out?


“It is as close to the death penalty as you can get without that actually happen,” Loyd said. “Coach Farrar has been questioned extensively, in fact, five times by the NCAA about those allegations.”

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

The NCAA ain't gonna believe him unless he has recordings, pictures or documents. Very concrete proof. Because OM is painting him as a bat shit crazy rouge who is nothing but a liar.

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Is this fact or opinion?

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

The NCAA ain't gonna believe him unless he has recordings, pictures or documents. Very concrete proof. Because OM is painting him as a bat shit crazy rouge who is nothing but a liar.

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Yea but, his lawyer was quoted as saying Barney had had 5 interviews with the NCAA, that's a lot of interviews with somebody they don't believe.