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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Look our ol recruiting has lacked no argument. But then explain why our defense sucked last year and our secondary has sucked for years. If we are soooo elite recruiting at every other position, which is bs, then why do we struggle so bad at other positions besides OL. Hell ol wasn't even close to being our worst unit lay year. Not close. Again, our ol recruiting needs to step. Anything otherwise wouldn't be a prudent statement.

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Secondary has sucked for years???? Redmond , Slay, Banks, Calhoun....
it's an embarrassment that we can't put OL in the league. That means not recruiting elite OL that have NFL potential and not being able to develop and push the ones who need it..
and it is a known fact the reason we missed out on Saddiq Charles last year , he didn't want to play for Hev.. **** all that he was from Louisiana bullshit..
Hell one of the best OL we had the lastb7 years was a walk on..

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lol... yeah, if not for a few anonymous posters on ED, Mullen would fire Hev and we'd have that certain natty

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Don't know about a natty but we'd have a competent o line.

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

It's just like when we lost Charles to LSU last year. The Hev apologists said we had others higher on our board. Then when that was revealed to be complete bs it switched to well he has strong Louisiana ties so we never had a chance. The people that make excuses for Hev are nothing more than enablers.

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I feel bad for the recruiting reporters because they have to constantly take up for him even though I'm pretty sure they know there are no excuses for Hevesy.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Lol... yeah, if not for a few anonymous posters on ED, Mullen would fire Hev and we'd have that certain natty

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I don't know about that- but we would have a Sugar Bowl win and a playoff appearance. That's what pisses me off to no end about Hevesy.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Again- who replaced him? His whole reason for de-committing was because he hadn't heard from Hevesy.

It's better than your argument that we shouldn't pay attention to the o-line with the same coach because our DB's sucked.

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Maybe rivers. Maybe Abrams. Maybe landrews. None of them were locks until they signed. Once they all signed, maybe room had to be made and gainer was the spot

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe rivers. Maybe Abrams. Maybe landrews. None of them were locks until they signed. Once they all signed, maybe room had to be made and gainer was the spot

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I still don't understand this whole "room had to be made" talk. If my math is correct we're still not up to the full 85.

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Secondary has sucked for years???? Redmond , Slay, Banks, Calhoun....
it's an embarrassment that we can't put OL in the league. That means not recruiting elite OL that have NFL potential and not being able to develop and push the ones who need it..
and it is a known fact the reason we missed out on Saddiq Charles last year , he didn't want to play for Hev.. **** all that he was from Louisiana bullshit..
Hell one of the best OL we had the lastb7 years was a walk on..

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When we lost to freeze in his first year, we lost bc we couldn't cover moncrief. We had 2 NFL CBs, but couldn't even slow him down. To me that's a good example of talent means nothing if the coaching is garbage

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

I still don't understand this whole "room had to be made" talk. If my math is correct we're still not up to the full 85.

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Fine we lost gainer to usm bc of Hev. You guys are right

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'll take Cristobal's opinion of him over Liverpooldawg's. Thanks though

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I don't have an opinion, I ain't never seen him play. All I'm saying is he ISN'T a household name here. He may be the next hall of fame lineman.

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

Bo Bounds said on his show a couple months ago when Cristobal took the Oregon job that he thought state and OM really dropped the ball by not hiring him to be ol coach. I don't know if we could have realistically hired him away from Bama though:

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I'm not in the Hevesy boat by any means, but that doesn't make any sense.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

When we lost to freeze in his first year, we lost bc we couldn't cover moncrief. We had 2 NFL CBs, but couldn't even slow him down. To me that's a good example of talent means nothing if the coaching is garbage

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You are correct on that. We had Whitley trying to cover moncrief for some idiotic reason. But I'm tellin ya the decline of DBs really started with Townsend.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe rivers. Maybe Abrams. Maybe landrews. None of them were locks until they signed. Once they all signed, maybe room had to be made and gainer was the spot

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I think I figured out what happened. It's my edited post above. Basically we whiffed on a couple of targets and left empty handed.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe rivers. Maybe Abrams. Maybe landrews. None of them were locks until they signed. Once they all signed, maybe room had to be made and gainer was the spot

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'm not in the Hevesy boat by any means, but that doesn't make any sense.

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That's just what Bo was saying. I don't know if would have been a realistic possibility to pull him. Probably not.

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

Don't know how you figure that. His 2010 and 2011 corners were pretty good. 2012 was ok. I thought we should have been better with slay and banks. Townsend was aweful in my opinion. Townsends first year in 2013 was ok and we got worse each year.

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He had 2 nfl corners and we should have been 1000 times better. We will never be that talented again at corner. The casual fan didn't even know who slay was until late in his career. Melvin was a great recruiter in the day and a decent coach. There is a reason he's no longer employed.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Nobody said we were "elite" anywhere. And I don't know about you, but in my opinion, as soon as we have a new OL coach every year, we can compare OL to the defense. If anything, OL has less of an excuse to suck than even a poorly talented defense, due to continuity with the coach for 8 years.

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My point is everyone tells me how great we recruit at dl, CB and others compared for the ol. Well the results have hardly shown that the last 2 years. Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

My point is everyone tells me how great we recruit at dl, CB and others compared for the ol. Well the results have hardly shown that the last 2 years. Just sayin.

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Yep, and that's why we have a new DC. Where is our new OL coach?

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He had 2 nfl corners and we should have been 1000 times better. We will never be that talented again at corner. The casual fan didn't even know who slay was until late in his career. Melvin was a great recruiter in the day and a decent coach. There is a reason he's no longer employed.

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Oh I know why he's no longer employed. He still put out a better product in his crap years than Townsend did. Our corners went to crap in a hurry starting in 2013. But Mississippi high schools have always produced good DBs so its head scratching why we have regressed so much.

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Originally Posted by Noxdog

South MS???? Steen was from Cleveland unless I'm forgetting someone. Your point still stands. Beyond PISSED! What a cf the OL is.

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Actually Steen was from Clarksdale, and played at Lee Academy.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

No doubt the defense has sucked at times especially last year. But again the difference is Dan responded by making changes. He hired Todd Grantham to address that and we're all satisfied. That's the issue as much as anything- we have issues on the o-line but what has done about it? Why is it allowed to continue every year? Three years in a row- we lost Lashley from West Point to Alabama, last year Charles from MRA said he committed to LSU because "they showed me more attention", and now this. From a legacy o-lineman who has a Dad that played o-line in the NFL.

If Dan's defense sucked every year but we had Carl Torbush manning it very year for the past 8-9 years and nothing was done it would be just as much an issue and discussed every bit as much as Hevesy.

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Great post.