Cohen to AD gaining some serious steam...

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10-11-2016, 06:44 PM
BankerDog

Todd, I think you should wait until we need a new Band Director to chime in.
10-11-2016, 06:52 PM
Spiderman

If Cohen gets AD, I'm in noway worried about getting a great hire for baseball.
10-11-2016, 06:53 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

You missed my point Todd. We have never had a president with previous experience as president, and we are (arguably) the best country in the world. Cohen has athletic department experience, just like any presidential candidate(minus trump) has political experience.

When people say they would rather have a MAC AD then Cohen, that's like saying they would rather have the governer of Montana become president rather than the US Secretary of State. Just because you can run a state does not mean you can run a country. I'm fine with the Secretary of State, who has experience helping run a country, be the president over a small State's governor. There are good points on both sides, but to claim Cohen incompetent is premature and ignorant. I'm just passing on what I heard, not making the decision.

The big problem with your analogy is being the baseball coach at a school is no where near the equivalent of being Secretary of State. Not even close. It would be more like the MAC guy being the Governor of Montana vs some random person that works as an lobbyist.
10-11-2016, 06:56 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I know it's not a popular stance but I'm intrigued by this. He's extremely smart and HIGHLY competitive. I think we need someone hard nosed that is willing to support his coaches but also willing to have a come to Jesus meeting quick when things get off the rails. As long as he is willing to let his staff handle things he can not (marketing, etc) I'm willing to learn more.

The problem with your statement is the stuff you want his staff to handle is 90% of what an AD's job is. Everyone gets a hard-on thinking about Cohen applying his no-nonsense approach from the diamond to hiring / firing and performance assessment of coaches. But the truth is that the boosters, big donors, and in some cases the university president will always be the ones doing the heavy lifting there. Fundraising, marketing, and guiding facilities upgrades are the vast majority of an AD's function in modern athletic departments. Those are all areas in which Cohen has next to no experience.
10-11-2016, 06:56 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Todd, I think you should wait until we need a new Band Director to chime in.

Yeah because I've been way off on our personnel decisions lately.**

Like when I said Raffo was average and we should hire Cohen. Or that it would be best for us if Dan left last November. And actually to be a total smartass about it I'd probably pick a damn good band director if they asked me about that too.

Cohen might work out- but the odds aren't in our favor. Nor are they in our favor of making a better hire in baseball if we're being honest.
10-11-2016, 06:57 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

The problem with your statement is the stuff you want his staff to handle is 90% of what an AD's job is. Everyone gets a hard-on thinking about Cohen applying his no-nonsense approach from the diamond to hiring / firing and performance assessment of coaches. But the truth is that the boosters, big donors, and in some cases the university president will always be the ones doing the heavy lifting there. Fundraising, marketing, and guiding facilities upgrades are the vast majority of an AD's function in modern athletic departments. Those are all areas in which Cohen has next to no experience.

But that would be like the Governor of Montana...
10-11-2016, 06:58 PM
EngDawg

Cohen is a risky hire. He might excell, and he might bungle the whole thing.
10-11-2016, 07:02 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by EngDawg

Cohen is a risky hire. He might excell, and he might bungle the whole thing.

What I think would happen is the people on marketing and all of the things he doesn't know how to do would take it easy and be substandard because he wouldn't know how to push them.
10-11-2016, 07:13 PM
DeviousDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The big problem with your analogy is being the baseball coach at a school is no where near the equivalent of being Secretary of State. Not even close. It would be more like the MAC guy being the Governor of Montana vs some random person that works as an lobbyist.

Lobbyist directly help the president choose the Supreme Court? News to me, also I didn't know that one individual lobbyist is in charge of one of the three main branches of the government.

Cohen did help with the hire of Mullen, and he is in charge of one of our 3 main sports. If my analogy was weak, your comeback was Brandon Holloway.
10-11-2016, 07:17 PM
BayouDawg

I may could be convinced about Cohen, but there is one small thing that I can't get past. I know exactly who is pushing for this and that would be the nutless coward stricklin. I don't want that brown nosing weasel having any input whatsoever on who gets the job. He enabled the the situation we are in now and bailed to save his own skin.
10-11-2016, 07:21 PM
ILOATHEBears

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

I'm hearing that if Cohen is announced, which is looking very likely as of now, that we will be very impressed with the short list to replace Cohen as the Baseball Coach. Cohen is just enough of an ass hole to tell Gary Henderson sorry, but it's not gonna happen buddy. Does Cohen have enough balls to tell Mullen to 17 off? That's yet to be known.

Mullen has already been told this is his last year and we already have a man ready to take over
10-11-2016, 07:24 PM
Saltydog

I listened to David Murray late this afternoon on H2H and Murray said Cohen

was not a serious candidate. Went on to say that they are pursuing "experienced" candidates and we would probably start hearing some names leaked in the next week to ten days and that a hire would be made by the end of the month.
10-11-2016, 07:28 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by ILOATHEBears

Mullen has already been told this is his last year and we already have a man ready to take over

SMH... we have no AD, but we've already done that?
10-11-2016, 07:30 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

was not a serious candidate. Went on to say that they are pursuing "experienced" candidates and we would probably start hearing some names leaked in the next week to ten days and that a hire would be made by the end of the month.

If Cohen is truly pursing the job, I can't imagine anyone in the know telling a member of the press Cohen isn't a serious candidate. That'd be a good way to really piss off our very good baseball coach
10-11-2016, 07:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

Lobbyist directly help the president choose the Supreme Court? News to me, also I didn't know that one individual lobbyist is in charge of one of the three main branches of the government.

Cohen did help with the hire of Mullen, and he is in charge of one of our 3 main sports. If my analogy was weak, your comeback was Brandon Holloway.

The point was that being a baseball coach and an AD are apples and oranges. And your comparisons are weak because last time I checked we didn't get to vote in who the AD was.

In most non-elected official jobs experience is preferred. If you think running an AD in the MAC is the same as someone sitting on a hiring committee I don't know what to tell you.
10-11-2016, 07:33 PM
preachermatt83

If it is Cohen then he is flat out lying to recruits and recruits parents. Not saying that's not the case but I highly doubt it. IF Cohen were to get the job, he is friends with a current OUTSTANDING coach from the big 12 and that would be the first offer made I bet.
10-11-2016, 07:33 PM
Spiderman

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Originally Posted by ILOATHEBears

Mullen has already been told this is his last year and we already have a man ready to take over

OMG. Please, please tell us you forgt the sarcasticks
10-11-2016, 07:36 PM
DeviousDawg

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

was not a serious candidate. Went on to say that they are pursuing "experienced" candidates and we would probably start hearing some names leaked in the next week to ten days and that a hire would be made by the end of the month.

Whether he gets the job or not, he is without a doubt the leading candidate right now. Things like this don't just come up out of nowhere...
10-11-2016, 07:51 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by gtowndawg

I know it's not a popular stance but I'm intrigued by this. He's extremely smart and HIGHLY competitive. I think we need someone hard nosed that is willing to support his coaches but also willing to have a come to Jesus meeting quick when things get off the rails. As long as he is willing to let his staff handle things he can not (marketing, etc) I'm willing to learn more.

Yep.

All these people are freaking out like they KNOW Cohen would be a bad hire. He likely wouldn't be, but nobody knows. Besides, none of us know a damn thing about hiring an AD. Saying Cohen is a "lazy" choice, or "I'm done if we hire Cohen", is just so damn ridiculous. From a fans perspective, Cohen has everything I want in an AD....involved in all sports on campus, smart guy, knows how to raise funds, knows how to recruit and how important recruiting is in all sports, and wants MSU to win Championships. Plus, nobody walks on Cohen like they do Stricklin.

To anyone saying John's a terrible hire, give me YOUR short list for AD and what makes them the guy for the job. I'll hang up and listen.
10-11-2016, 08:09 PM
Intramural All-American

As I said the other day, Cohen is most definitely a very serious candidate. I'll say this, those expecting to get a big time head coach to replace him if he gets it, should hold your horses. He has people that he likes that are assistant coaches now. You're not going to hire a head coach away from a school at this point in the game. Fall ball has already started, so expect an assistant coach. If it's the name I have heard, we may have an all-new coaching staff in a matter of the next couple weeks. Again, this all depends on if Cohen gets it, which is a good chance but not a sure thing.

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