Sunday Morning QB- Bitchslapped Edition

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10-09-2016, 02:29 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

This is the version that I hope is true. But if it were why wouldn't Mullen try to increase his stock with a good showing without dak?

I think Mullen is trying- I just dont think there is alot of talent on the field. If he wanted to win short-term- Damien is a better answer than Fitz. Fitz is the long term answer in his opinion- so bite the bullet now and let him grow.
10-09-2016, 02:29 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by OurState

I heard the reason he keeps not getting high profile jobs has nothing to do with demeanor.

Must have everything to do with his posture then**
10-09-2016, 02:32 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

If he wanted to win short-term- Damien is a better answer than Fitz. Fitz is the long term answer in his opinion- so bite the bullet now and let him grow.

I agree with this and that tells me dan's seat isn't nearly as hot as many here believe. It always tells me dan is playing with an eye on next season and beyond, so maybe he isn't eyeing other jobs as much as believed.
10-09-2016, 02:35 PM
Coursesuper

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Someone has been paying attention.

I said months ago that Keenum finally stepped in this off season and laid down the law to Dan and Scott. No longer would Keenum allow CDM walk all over SS without consequence. Keenum told Dan no raise, no extension, and neither until Hev was gone and he stopped whoring himself out each year, hurting our program.

I wasn't going to post this publicly until what I witnessed in person yesterday. I'm fairly certain every MSU fan with half a brain saw yesterday what some of us have been seeing the last 4 years. A coach who doesn't give a shit. Dak bought Dan two additional years than he wouldn't had without Dak.

During the off season meeting with Keenum and being big told to clean up his antics and chance his attitude and what actually sparked the no extension or raise talk were these exact words from Dans mouth to Keenum. "If I couldn't win the west these last two years with Dak as my QB, I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO WIN THE WEST OR SEC AT MISSISSIPPI STATE." That's when Keenum lost it and wanted to fire him on the spot but didn't for obvious reasons. He is essentially letting Dan hang himself because Dan quit on pit program two years ago. Then Dan has essentially carried over his defeatist attitude and we have the 2016 short wearing Mullen and season. That's why Strick got out when he could because he was going to be on the same greyhound leaving Starkville when Mullen does. Keenum is fed up with CDM. It's just a matter of when, not if at this point. I just hope we don't wait and suffer too long.

I heard the exact same thing almost verbatim.
10-09-2016, 02:41 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I agree with this and that tells me dan's seat isn't nearly as hot as many here believe. It always tells me dan is playing with an eye on next season and beyond, so maybe he isn't eyeing other jobs as much as believed.

Damian would have us exactly in the same place as now. Damian wouldn't beat any other SEC teams, Fitz playing up to his potential is our only hope unless Tiano is ready.
10-09-2016, 02:43 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

Was discussing potential new coaches with another person on this board last week and the name Kliff Kingsbury came up. From what I saw he is extremely talented with offenses. Get him and then lock up a top flight D.C.

No in my opinion. His offense is exciting, but he kills his defense because they are on the field so quickly.
10-09-2016, 02:43 PM
BulldogBear

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

We aren't firing Mullen right now but Croom was also coming back until he was bent over and rammed by everyone that had a bow tie and boat shoes at the time. The Egg Bowl has a way of getting coaches from making changes in the program to looking for a job. Coach O was also basically fired for a 4th down call. He was coming back before he gave away the Egg Bowl to golf cart.

IIRC I don't believe this is correct. Orgeron was gone regardless. In fact, they had made the decision much earlier in the season. Losing to us the way he did just fell into their lap and made it so that they didn't have to deal with any potential flak from firing their coach that had just beat their rival 21-0 on the road.

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Originally Posted by Barkman Turner Overdrive

Leech ain't coming here. If Klingsbury can't win against Big 12 Defenses, he won't fair very well against SEC Defenses. I do like Mike Gundy if it is true he is sideways with Boone and Co at OSU.

I do not want one of these Big 12 mindset coaches unless it is made clear that this is not Texas HS (Overrated) football. We will need to pay the $$$ it takes to get a top notch DC and he will be set free to steal, kill, and destroy. If we can't do that, I don't want any coach that has had anything to do with the Big 12.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

We need to run an offense that's a quick strike but with a power running game. I also want an attcking D.

See previous quote and reply. Agreed.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I don't want to pile on at this point because it really does nobody any good. If changes are to be made at the end of the season then I won't be involved in it anyway but I certainly won't be opposed if they are made. Only thing I will say is that it is sad in the fact that I have never seen a coach squander such an opportunity to truly elevate a program as Dan Mullen did following our landmark 2014 season where we spent 5 weeks as the talk of all of college football. Such a waste and right here at the time that the Bears are going to be slammed by the NCAA.

Exactly, the product we are seeing today is unacceptable given our recent history. How the 17 did Mullen let this happen? <<<rhetorical

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

What pisses me off the most is that Mullen was allowed to do this. This crap didn't just happen over night. Our athletic department DID NOT hold him accountable and let him do what he damn well pleased. Now that it has hit the fan a certain person who shall not be named got outta dodge because he didn't have the stones to deal with a problem he enabled! And this unnamed person was supposedly a bulldog

I didn't want to believe this but more and more I am seeing that this is very likely true.

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Originally Posted by Sacrifice

Mullen is done, you could see it in his demeanor on the sidelines yesterday. Once you lose a team to this extent there's no way to get it back. The players have stop playing hard for him. It's probably gonna get worst. I'm sure the players know he's hired Sexton, they know he wants out. It's over!
We need to start looking now!

^^^This guy get it

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

That post game presser was the last shovel of shit on a pile already ten feet tall. I half expected him to pull a Croom and say "Well, I knew we were gonna lose this game."

I wonder how many times recently he has said execute or some derivative thereof. Croom used to say that a lot.

"Lack of execution" = coachspeak for "I don't have a clue how to teach/motivate (coach) these kids"

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Someone has been paying attention.

I said months ago that Keenum finally stepped in this off season and laid down the law to Dan and Scott. No longer would Keenum allow CDM walk all over SS without consequence. Keenum told Dan no raise, no extension, and neither until Hev was gone and he stopped whoring himself out each year, hurting our program.

I wasn't going to post this publicly until what I witnessed in person yesterday. I'm fairly certain every MSU fan with half a brain saw yesterday what some of us have been seeing the last 4 years. A coach who doesn't give a shit. Dak bought Dan two additional years than he wouldn't had without Dak.

During the off season meeting with Keenum and being big told to clean up his antics and chance his attitude and what actually sparked the no extension or raise talk were these exact words from Dans mouth to Keenum. "If I couldn't win the west these last two years with Dak as my QB, I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO WIN THE WEST OR SEC AT MISSISSIPPI STATE." That's when Keenum lost it and wanted to fire him on the spot but didn't for obvious reasons. He is essentially letting Dan hang himself because Dan quit on pit program two years ago. Then Dan has essentially carried over his defeatist attitude and we have the 2016 short wearing Mullen and season. That's why Strick got out when he could because he was going to be on the same greyhound leaving Starkville when Mullen does. Keenum is fed up with CDM. It's just a matter of when, not if at this point. I just hope we don't wait and suffer too long.

If this is true then it somewhat confirms that Dan is too dense and/or arrogant to see, much less admit, his own mistakes. The truth is we could've beaten both Bama and Ole Miss in 2014 with a better gameplan and if Mullen doesn't go scared, vanilla, and butthole puckered on us. So, it seems he is correct.... MULLEN couldn't win the West and the SEC with a Dak in place....but somebody else could have. He's right about himself...but not right about MSU.
10-09-2016, 02:46 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by Mjoelner34

That was me talking Kingsbury with Starkvegas. His first 4 games this year his team averaged 59.5 points per game. Last night he scored 38 with a QB who had an injured shoulder and was a game time decision.

Instead of looking at his W/L record, I'm looking at what he has done offensively at Houston, aTm and TT. At all 3 places he has had explosive offenses. In their losses last year they scored 52,35,27,53,26 and 27. Doesn't sound like opposing defenses are the problem for him.

If what you said about Gundy is true, he should be very high on a list also.

What has he done defensively at TT? Terrible...
10-09-2016, 02:47 PM
MidTNDawg

Probably would have been nice to post something of significance which most of us did not already know. Your analysis in the past has had a little more "meat".
10-09-2016, 02:55 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I agree with this and that tells me dan's seat isn't nearly as hot as many here believe. It always tells me dan is playing with an eye on next season and beyond, so maybe he isn't eyeing other jobs as much as believed.

Any coach would do it this way. Has to play for the future in case nobody will hire him. He didnt switch to Sexton for hell of it.
10-09-2016, 02:56 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by MidTNDawg

Probably would have been nice to post something of significance which most of us did not already know. Your analysis in the past has had a little more "meat".

Managing Taco Bell takes up a lot more time these days
10-09-2016, 02:57 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by MidTNDawg

Probably would have been nice to post something of significance which most of us did not already know. Your analysis in the past has had a little more "meat".

There was something very different today... random hasn't said Mullen wouldn't be fired this year until now
10-09-2016, 02:59 PM
BayouDawg

If this is true then it somewhat confirms that Dan is too dense and/or arrogant to see, much less admit, his own mistakes. The truth is we could've beaten both Bama and Ole Miss in 2014 with a better gameplan and if Mullen doesn't go scared, vanilla, and butthole puckered on us. So, it seems he is correct.... MULLEN couldn't win the West and the SEC with a Dak in place....but somebody else could have. He's right about himself...but not right about MSU.[/QUOTE]

This is spot on. We should have won the West in '14, but Dan tucked his wiener in the Bama game and mailed it in after that. He needs professional help.
10-09-2016, 03:08 PM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by BulldogBear

I wonder how many times recently he has said execute or some derivative thereof. Croom used to say that a lot.

"Lack of execution" = coachspeak for "I don't have a clue how to teach/motivate (coach) these kids"

If this is true then it somewhat confirms that Dan is too dense and/or arrogant to see, much less admit, his own mistakes. The truth is we could've beaten both Bama and Ole Miss in 2014 with a better gameplan and if Mullen doesn't go scared, vanilla, and butthole puckered on us. So, it seems he is correct.... MULLEN couldn't win the West and the SEC with a Dak in place....but somebody else could have. He's right about himself...but not right about MSU.

I agree on all this and especially what's in bold. Dan lost both those games in my mind. If he had taken those lessons and figured out what he needed to do differently (which is what I hoped he would do) then things would be different now IMO. Head coaching just ain't execution, it's motivation and preparing teams psychologically to play. See Bryant, Saban, Meyer, Krzyzewski, etc. Bum Phillips said of Bryant "He can his'n and beat your'n, and your'n and beat his'n".

It sounds like Dan is convinced he needs elite talent to win West and while that helps, it didn't really help Miles. Sure he won NC in 07, but he lost 2 games that year and SEC had a stranglehold on a BCS bid due to Slive at the time. See Auburn 2010.

I don't believe elite talent at LSU will help Dan get over the hump. Put him at LSU and he'll still turn over DCs and lose 2 games a year - unless he will admit there are still some things he needs to figure out and then figure them out. He's good for at least 1 - 2 losses due to poor game/clock management. Their East rival is FL, not KY. Saban will still own him. And we'd get the where we had a better chance to beat them than we currently do ****. Sounds like a recipe for 2 - 3 losses a year to me.
10-09-2016, 03:16 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Managing Taco Bell takes up a lot more time these days

I need to spread some rep around, but the Taco Bell reference always cracks me up.
10-09-2016, 03:25 PM
Cowboydawg

At the very least he needs to be forced to make staff changes. Things will begin to take care of themselves after that.
10-09-2016, 03:44 PM
Noxdog

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Originally Posted by OurState

Random Poster,

Clear out your DM's or check any alternate user names you have for a pvt msg

Same here RP, you have a PM.
10-09-2016, 03:57 PM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by ILOATHEBears

I agree with all this except one part. The decision makers decided at the beginning of the year this was cdms last year regardless of record. That is why the urgency for Mullen to get a new agent and why his game plans are sh$t. He is sticking it to us on his swan song. Because for the need for the cigar boys stepping in once again it made the UF/Stricklin marriage even more likely. It's a real good chance we have a person that wants this job lined up.

I knew there had to be more going in for Stricklin to split. Makes some sense now.
10-09-2016, 04:06 PM
pilldawg

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg34

Chris Peterson - Boise State.

Bobby Petrino - Arkansas and Louisville
10-09-2016, 04:15 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

I knew there had to be more going in for Stricklin to split. Makes some sense now.

Stricklin is a snake that brown noses his way through life. His day of reckoning will come though

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