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10-05-2016, 08:08 PM
anubus

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The NCAA just needs to throw a big normal penalty out there and then stay in Oxford. I seriously doubt they are going to stop what they are doing. Y'all need to remember it was the SECOND go around that really nailed SMU.

Ole Missy is too stupid to stop getting caught.Remember in the mid 80s and 90s should've warranted program destroying punishment but here we are in 2015 the same violations but worse.The NCAA needs to show they are not paper tigers and enforce the rules. A friend of mine showed me a copy of rebel nation magazine (great for wiping windows) and one of their articles boasted of SEC expansion minus us but in a ironic turn it might be them missing out on the riches of the SEC.I hope they are tossed in the trash can of irrelevance and State is the Flagship (hear that Rev Freezus) school of Mississippi.Hopefully the hammer comes down at the end of the year or facts come out so potential recruits avoid this rotten program.
10-05-2016, 09:06 PM
gravedigger

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Originally Posted by lefty96

Until the NCAA comes down hard, this will never be a big deal. That big expose on Okie State got published, nothing came of it. Unless this turns into some spectacular ncaa case and penalty, it's just message board gossip.

Ok
10-05-2016, 09:13 PM
Bucky Dog

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I prefer these types of threads and their subject matter much more than the "auburn is gonna drag dong all over our faces - thread". ***

And Mullen sucks who is our replacement going to be!
10-05-2016, 09:18 PM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by Bucky Dog

And Mullen sucks who is our replacement going to be!

John Gruden or Mark Hudspeth
10-05-2016, 09:32 PM
lamont

OM is looking at a minimum penalty of 30 schollys over 3 years- thats the absolute minimum.

It may be 40-45 over 3 with what is coming out. But either way- its happening by next Summer.
10-05-2016, 10:58 PM
DeviousDawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

OM is looking at a minimum penalty of 30 schollys over 3 years- thats the absolute minimum.

It may be 40-45 over 3 with what is coming out. But either way- its happening by next Summer.

I think it's safe to say that 30 scholarships has become the floor now. Just the original NOA was worth ~30 scholarships. They are going to get slammed, and to add insult to injury, I wouldn't be surprised if every one of Freeze's wins will be vacated.

Although the season has started and the investigation has been put on the back burner, this is still getting worse for OM by the day.
10-05-2016, 11:06 PM
Todd4State

I can see them getting another NOA for all of the stuff that happened after the first NOA and then getting hammered even further.

People need to remember that it took them about 2-3 years to rule on USC and I would imagine that their case was not nearly as complicated as this one.

It makes sense to me to do it that way anyway. If I go out and rob a store and then get arrested but get bailed out of jail while I am awaiting trial and then I go out and rob another store the law is not going to just roll those two incidents together.
10-05-2016, 11:09 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by anubus

Ole Missy is too stupid to stop getting caught.Remember in the mid 80s and 90s should've warranted program destroying punishment but here we are in 2015 the same violations but worse.The NCAA needs to show they are not paper tigers and enforce the rules. A friend of mine showed me a copy of rebel nation magazine (great for wiping windows) and one of their articles boasted of SEC expansion minus us but in a ironic turn it might be them missing out on the riches of the SEC.I hope they are tossed in the trash can of irrelevance and State is the Flagship (hear that Rev Freezus) school of Mississippi.Hopefully the hammer comes down at the end of the year or facts come out so potential recruits avoid this rotten program.

They’re under the false guise that “everyone else is doing it” but they don’t realize that they are the only ones that cheat to the extent that they do.
And of course when they get hammered it’s going to be our fault even though it’s mainly Alabama, Georgia, etc. turning them in this time.
10-05-2016, 11:16 PM
Lumpy Chucklelips

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Originally Posted by DanDority

So what you're saying is, you want someone to tell you what you want to hear. Not necessarily what is going to happen. Just out of curiosity, how bad did the NC2A hit Miami in there latest trouble?

The NCAA fired the woman who was heading up their investigative division after the Miami fiasco. Replaced her along with several other enforcement staff who botched the Miami investigation at every turn.

I'm sure this is probably another reason they are taking their sweet time in making sure they get this one right. I hope it drags out two more years to be honest with you. Then bury their ass.
10-05-2016, 11:24 PM
anubus

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

They?re under the false guise that ?everyone else is doing it? but they don?t realize that they are the only ones that cheat to the extent that they do.
And of course when they get hammered it?s going to be our fault even though it?s mainly Alabama, Georgia, etc. turning them in this time.

they are the only ones that keep getting caught .NCAA needs to show some brass and make an example out of them.
10-05-2016, 11:32 PM
TUSK

I keep seeing some ridiculous scholly reductions numbers here... 50, 100, 300....?

c'mon...

The NCAA will toss out the DP again, before they do a "100/10" deal... 0 chance....
10-06-2016, 12:01 AM
M.Fillmore

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Originally Posted by TUSK

The NCAA will toss out the DP again, before they do a "100/10" deal... 0 chance....

Yeah, likely impossible. But a 100/10 years would be sweeeeeet! They wouldn't win 10 SEC games over the next 15 years.
10-06-2016, 12:06 AM
DeviousDawg

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Originally Posted by TUSK

I keep seeing some ridiculous scholly reductions numbers here... 50, 100, 300....?

c'mon...

The NCAA will toss out the DP again, before they do a "100/10" deal... 0 chance....

You're right, the NCAA will give OM the death penalty before they dock them 50+ scholarships. I don't know how they will handle it, simply because no one does, there has never been an investigation of this magnitude under the NCAA's new penalty structure.

I will say that the NCAA did not create the new penalty structure to lessen penalties, and they are most definitely not still investigating OM while granting immunity to opposing teams players to lessen OM's penalties. The NCAA has set themselves up to slam OM, the only question now is how they will do it.

Expecting 50+ scholarships is unrealistic, but expecting 30-40 is reality. As always, it is only going to get much much worse for OM before it gets better. OM had a chance to accept 20 years in jail for 2nd degree murder, instead they claimed innocence. Unfortunately, after their innocent plea, the NCAA found a smoking gun with OM's DNA all over it.

For those that have watched the Netflix series "Narcos", imagine OM as Pablo Escobar. In the first season Pablo quickly rose to prominence, some were skeptical but he was surrounded by people he trusted in Medellin(Mississippi). Pablo won his support by supplying money to the poor in his area, and became a cult angel. Towards the end of the first season Pablo pushed his luck too far and stepped out of his comfort zone and decided to go national and run for president. This was a mistake and Pablo's dark secrets were revealed and Pablo was indicted at the end of the first season. The whole second season Pablo is on the run, as his followers continue to dwindle because of "mistakes" he made. He could've turned himself in and protected his family, but he believed he was important enough to get away with it. He continued to believe he would get away with it until the bitter end, when he was killed by himself.

So many parallels here.
10-06-2016, 12:07 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by M.Fillmore

Yeah, likely impossible. But a 100/10 years would be sweeeeeet! They wouldn't win 10 SEC games over the next 15 years.

I am wondering if they get another NOA if repeat violator status is in play though. That would be bad.
10-06-2016, 01:01 AM
Coldsleeve Jr.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I am wondering if they get another NOA if repeat violator status is in play though. That would be bad.

I've brought this up too. Technically, repeat offender clause wouldn't come into play bc the COI hasn't handed out punishments on the first NOA yet. And the COI will decide OM's fate at one, cumulative COI Hearing. (Res Judicata/Preclusion is the legal term).

Im sure another NOA is coming, but even if 4 more were coming there would still only be one COI Hearing. So, technically, repeat offender isn't really possible.

Now I could see where they got busted in NOA1 for something, OM says it was a "mistake", but the "mistake" happens again in NOA2. While they may not call it "repeat offender" and use the specific powers of that clause, I'm sure there's something that allows the punishment to be as severe as the NCAA wants it to be.
10-06-2016, 01:16 AM
DeviousDawg

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Originally Posted by Coldsleeve Jr.

Now I could see where they got busted in NOA1 for something, OM says it was a "mistake", but the "mistake" happens again in NOA2. While they may not call it "repeat offender" and use the specific powers of that clause, I'm sure there's something that allows the punishment to be as severe as the NCAA wants it to be.

In this case, if the "mistake" was ruled to be of the mitigated variety in the first NOA and it was repeated, then it would be ruled as an aggrivated "mistake" in the addendum/NOA#2. The penalties for an aggrivated violation vs a mitaged violation have no comparison. I think we will see a lot of aggrivated "mistakes" in the addendum, which doesn't bode well for the Rebels.
10-06-2016, 06:28 AM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by StatesboroBlues

He said "current" player...

My bad I missed the current part.
10-06-2016, 07:16 AM
GreenheadDawg

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

You're right, the NCAA will give OM the death penalty before they dock them 50+ scholarships. I don't know how they will handle it, simply because no one does, there has never been an investigation of this magnitude under the NCAA's new penalty structure.

I will say that the NCAA did not create the new penalty structure to lessen penalties, and they are most definitely not still investigating OM while granting immunity to opposing teams players to lessen OM's penalties. The NCAA has set themselves up to slam OM, the only question now is how they will do it.

Expecting 50+ scholarships is unrealistic, but expecting 30-40 is reality. As always, it is only going to get much much worse for OM before it gets better. OM had a chance to accept 20 years in jail for 2nd degree murder, instead they claimed innocence. Unfortunately, after their innocent plea, the NCAA found a smoking gun with OM's DNA all over it.

For those that have watched the Netflix series "Narcos", imagine OM as Pablo Escobar. In the first season Pablo quickly rose to prominence, some were skeptical but he was surrounded by people he trusted in Medellin(Mississippi). Pablo won his support by supplying money to the poor in his area, and became a cult angel. Towards the end of the first season Pablo pushed his luck too far and stepped out of his comfort zone and decided to go national and run for president. This was a mistake and Pablo's dark secrets were revealed and Pablo was indicted at the end of the first season. The whole second season Pablo is on the run, as his followers continue to dwindle because of "mistakes" he made. He could've turned himself in and protected his family, but he believed he was important enough to get away with it. He continued to believe he would get away with it until the bitter end, when he was killed by himself.

So many parallels here.

Great show. I got really into that series
10-06-2016, 07:17 AM
GreenheadDawg

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

OM is looking at a minimum penalty of 30 schollys over 3 years- thats the absolute minimum.

It may be 40-45 over 3 with what is coming out. But either way- its happening by next Summer.

Realistically, will they see any bowl bans, show causes, etc. What are the odds?
10-06-2016, 07:23 AM
mic

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Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg

Realistically, will they see any bowl bans, show causes, etc. What are the odds?

Yes and yes... 99%

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