Today is another great example against bunting

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03-26-2016, 09:56 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

A now four page thread on bunting and our offense being bad. In a game where we allowed 11 runs and scored 8 not to mention having a home run stolen. Predictable.

Look back, I said the same, poured gas on the fire for the idiot.
03-26-2016, 09:57 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Before this season started I made the prediction that Cohen would be fired at the end of this season. Is it really that difficult for you to understand?

Well go read your first post. That's not what you said. Try proof reading or editing.
03-26-2016, 09:58 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

Adding two retards into the mix doesn't make the mixture any smarter. I figured the head bunt defender would show up at some point.

Defending the bunt since 2011: Todd4Bunts

So, 8 runs is a bad offense? And I'm the "retard"? From the the guy that thinks you hit by looking for curveballs and then adjust to the fastball? Got it.

That's like Corky calling me retarded.
03-26-2016, 09:59 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

If we have 1 second left we don't call a play for Gavin to shoot a 3. It's about the play call!!!!! Not random, a coach's CALL!

Well Cohen doesn't get to bat Robson or Mangum in every bunt situation, thanks for proving my point. Last night we needed a run vs a guy no hitting us late in the game. Collins and Hump with a man in scoring position is our best chance, and Kruger just happened to be "up" at that point. Cohen did the right thing there.

Until you and Coach admit that there ARE times where a bunt is acceptable (even by one of your good hitters at times) in college baseball, you will never be accurate nor taken seriously about baseball. Simple as that. Cohen makes too many bonehead bunt calls, but last night wasn't one of them....arguing otherwise is simply wanting another thing to bitch at Cohen about.
03-26-2016, 10:01 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So, 8 runs is a bad offense? And I'm the "retard"? From the the guy that thinks you hit by looking for curveballs and then adjust to the fastball? Got it.

That's like Corky calling me retarded.

Retard.

Again it's about MAXIMIZING your runs. Yeah 8 runs should be enough but like coach said sometimes you gotta win 51-50. When you are capable of scoring 11 but handcuff yourself into 8. That's a problem. Cohen can't pitch it for them. What can Cohen control? Calling ****ing bunts. Retard
03-26-2016, 10:03 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Look back, I said the same, poured gas on the fire for the idiot.

I did and I 100% agree with you.

It's an agenda at this point- and pretty laughable.

My other favorite gem from Will James was about how we shouldn't bunt because Cohen can't control the pitching- despite the fact that pitching statistically has a very distinct advantage over the hitters considering the best of the best are successful at it roughly 30%-35% of the time. I doubt we'll see any statical analysis in his favor on that.
03-26-2016, 10:04 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Well Cohen doesn't get to bat Robson or Mangum in every bunt situation, thanks for proving my point. Last night we needed a run vs a guy no hitting us late in the game. Collins and Hump with a man in scoring position is our best chance, and Kruger just happened to be "up" at that point. Cohen did the right thing there.

Until you and Coach admit that there ARE times where a bunt is acceptable (even by one of your good hitters at times) in college baseball, you will never be accurate nor taken seriously about baseball. Simple as that. Cohen makes too many bonehead bunt calls, but last night wasn't one of them....arguing otherwise is simply wanting another thing to bitch at Cohen about.

It's about calling the right things with the right players holy shit.

By bunting Kruger we lessened our chances of scoring from 49% to 47%. How ****ing hard is that to understand.

Bunt Belmont late in the game if there is no other option to pinch hit (Cody Brown, Mangum, etc)
03-26-2016, 10:04 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by basedog

I would say U R my little bitch but there R way more saying U R there bitch! Dude U do have the little man disease bad!

Now go kiss UR little boyfriend and say good night!

Every time you type I'm reminded the importance of staying in school past an elementary level. Please tell me you don't possess a degree from the same university as myself. If you do that's an embarrassment to all MSU alumni that you're walking around or hovering around in this country. I'll send you money to tell nobody you graduated from MSU if indeed that is the case.
03-26-2016, 10:05 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I did and I 100% agree with you.

It's an agenda at this point- and pretty laughable.

My other favorite gem from Will James was about how we shouldn't bunt because Cohen can't control the pitching- despite the fact that pitching statistically has a very distinct advantage over the hitters considering the best of the best are successful at it roughly 30%-35% of the time. I doubt we'll see any statical analysis in his favor on that.

You are ****ing stupid and cannot comprehend written English.
03-26-2016, 10:07 PM
Dawg62

We should have about 15 sac bunts during the year. Not 60.
03-26-2016, 10:09 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

It's about calling the right things with the right players holy shit.

By bunting Kruger we lessened our chances of scoring from 49% to 47%. How ****ing hard is that to understand.

Bunt Belmont late in the game if there is no other option to pinch hit (Cody Brown, Mangum, etc)

No we didn't. By bunting Kruger we increased our chances by a lot in THAT GAME. We were being no hit. Your Sabermetrucs don't always overrule key situations, like when you're being no hit and you have a chance at getting a RISP for your best hitters.

We can agree to disagree, bc until you quit thinking everything is stats based you'll never get it.
03-26-2016, 10:10 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

Retard.

Again it's about MAXIMIZING your runs. Yeah 8 runs should be enough but like coach said sometimes you gotta win 51-50. When you are capable of scoring 11 but handcuff yourself into 8. That's a problem. Cohen can't pitch it for them. What can Cohen control? Calling ****ing bunts. Retard

Cohen also can't hit it for them. Cohen can control which pitchers he puts into the game however- which using statistical analysis does give us a better chance if they are used properly. Like not trying every freshman pitcher on the roster. Pitching is FAR more controlled than hitting because the pitching coach TELLS the pitcher what pitch to throw and decides which pitcher pitches.

And I will also say that if you score 8 runs a game you are going to win the majority of them. I don't give a damn how many times you bunt. 11 runs allowed by a pitching staff is simply unacceptable- and blaming a loss on a bunt in that situation is laughable at best.
03-26-2016, 10:12 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Rick Ray was laughing too

Double lulz

You're so far gone you honestly can't understand how insane you sound. Comparing Cohen to Ray, holy crap.
03-26-2016, 10:12 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Every time you type I'm reminded the importance of staying in school past an elementary level. Please tell me you don't possess a degree from the same university as myself. If you do that's an embarrassment to all MSU alumni that you're walking around or hovering around in this country. I'll send you money to tell nobody you graduated from MSU if indeed that is the case.

Nothing like pissing off a little bitch, definitely shows why your boyfriend calls U Pee Wee!
03-26-2016, 10:12 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

You are ****ing stupid and cannot comprehend written English.

Simmer down and get a girlfriend. Preferably one that played softball so that she can actually teach you something about baseball.

And not surprising that this is your go to when you are wrong. Pitcher ALWAYS has the advantage statistically. Even if it's Ted Williams.
03-26-2016, 10:13 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

When you bunt one man over your odds of scoring drop from 49% to 47%. Any disagreement like you are exhibiting here is just saying **** math and logic.

Well I haven't done statistical research and I'm not sure how those numbers you quoted were attained but 8 or 9 out of 10 managers would bunt in the late innings of a game like yesterday if the leadoff man got on. I find it hard to rail against Cohen for something the vast majority of baseball coaches would do.
03-26-2016, 10:15 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

It's about calling the right things with the right players holy shit.

By bunting Kruger we lessened our chances of scoring from 49% to 47%. How ****ing hard is that to understand.

Bunt Belmont late in the game if there is no other option to pinch hit (Cody Brown, Mangum, etc)

So pinch hit Belmont for Kruger? He doesn't get to choose who hits, & u don't take Kruger's bat out in the 6th.
03-26-2016, 10:15 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No we didn't. By bunting Kruger we increased our chances by a lot in THAT GAME.

That's simply not true. Because the pitcher was above average it actually hurt our chances more than normal. Your thinking is flawed.
03-26-2016, 10:15 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

We should have about 15 sac bunts during the year. Not 60.

I agree, but lastnight's could be one of the 15. Today's never should happen.
03-26-2016, 10:16 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

So pinch hit Belmont for Kruger? He doesn't get to choose who hits, & u don't take Kruger's bat out in the 6th.

Can you read? You asked for a time when to bunt. I said that time would be with Belmont late in the game if there are no other options available off the bench.

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