Soooo....the burner phones are becoming a big issue

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02-15-2016, 01:32 PM
ckDOG

Am I the only one that thinks the existence of burner phones is as big as the content that may or may not be there? If you prove they exist and the source (not that hard is you can make a couple unrelated former recruits sing), you have proven there is a known and intentional plan to skirt the rules by a program or its booster network. NCAA has their info at that point - anything beyond is gravy.
02-15-2016, 01:42 PM
Billy17

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Originally Posted by engie

Everything on them can be reviewed -- by governing bodies with subpoena power and unlimited funds. Wiping them doesn't clear their drive imprints. I sincerely doubt the NCAA has anyone in a technology forensic position however. And even if they did, it's a lot of resources to dedicate.

Burners calling burners isn't going to give them much. The players saying "OM gave us burners" may get them further slapped on the wrist or further the case for LOIC -- but it's not nearly as cut and dry as having the actual evidence existing on the phone. A smart "criminal" in this case is going to give them a good enough phone that they(as the "contract holder" which if they are smart still doesn't tie directly to them individually) both can trace and remotely wipe. Providing prepaid iphones, for instance, gives the provider damn near unlimited power if they were tech savvy on the front end. Can spy on the recruit to an insane extent without them knowing. And still have the ability to "burn" them remotely at a moment's notice.

The phones might provide another piece here to help get them -- but they are most likely not smoking guns if they were done by the pros. Then again, they've been sloppy and lazy lately -- so hopefully they didn't take the necessary precautions to properly insulate themselves, and will thus fry for it. One can hope -- just shouldn't expect -- IMO.

I agree they have been sloppy and lazy and letting a recruit keep his burner shows how stupid they are- I mean its bad when our site knows more than there fan sites
02-15-2016, 01:43 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Am I the only one that thinks the existence of burner phones is as big as the content that may or may not be there? If you prove they exist and the source (not that hard is you can make a couple unrelated former recruits sing), you have proven there is a known and intentional plan to skirt the rules by a program or its booster network. NCAA has their info at that point - anything beyond is gravy.

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02-15-2016, 01:44 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Am I the only one that thinks the existence of burner phones is as big as the content that may or may not be there? If you prove they exist and the source (not that hard is you can make a couple unrelated former recruits sing), you have proven there is a known and intentional plan to skirt the rules by a program or its booster network. NCAA has their info at that point - anything beyond is gravy.

They have the info that allows them to tell the staff one thing. Produce the logs and phone records. You don't and its Level 1 obstruction and that is an aggravated offense that carries min and max penalties that they won't no part of. At a min you can get 2-3 year bowl bans, 25%+ scholarship reductions, 2%+ of financial penalties, 5 years+ show cause, 40%+ game suspension to HC through show cause, 4 years + probation. Now they don't have to use all of the penalties but which ever penalties they enforce, these are the min they would get.
02-15-2016, 01:58 PM
turkish

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Am I the only one that thinks the existence of burner phones is as big as the content that may or may not be there? If you prove they exist and the source (not that hard is you can make a couple unrelated former recruits sing), you have proven there is a known and intentional plan to skirt the rules by a program or its booster network. NCAA has their info at that point - anything beyond is gravy.

If we're talking MSU, I think that's how the NCAA would treat it. I'm not convinced yet that everybody else has to play by the same rules.
02-15-2016, 02:11 PM
32 Dive

All there needs to be, one would assume, is a common thread between these burner phones. If they were THAT sloppy, they'll get nailed. But one would reason, that each burner phone (on #TheNetwork end) would not be used to contact more than one burner phone (on the recruit's end). IF there is a number, that appears on all of these phones, and there is a somewhat logical tie-in...

Surely, with all that goes on, they wouldn't be THAT careless.

Now, I'm skimming over this rather quickly. SO, I may have gotten lost in the details. Are the phones allegedly from UM Staffers, or #TheNetwork?
02-15-2016, 02:19 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

Jim Barksdale doesn't own C Spire, but I beleive the owners are Ole Miss fans.

All you need to know about C spire

Cellular South, Inc. began its wireless service on the Mississippi Gulf Coast on February 4, 1988, using AMPS technology. Former football quarterback Archie Manning made the company?s inaugural call from Gulfport, Mississippi to then U.S. Representative Trent Lott in Washington, D.C.[5] Wikipedia
02-15-2016, 02:19 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

But you can associate the numbers - and if any social media app has been used it will open up other avenues. If your name relates to your way of earning a paycheck you know how detailed big data can go. All in non-legal channels. Quite sure the NCAA can access the same companies the politicos of the world use.

They can't use anything that's not publicly available other than what people turn over to them. They can purchase data or use lexusnexus, mill through old school records, etc... but they have as much standing as our local HOA to go into a company and ask for private records.

There are some ways they can piece things together, but I don't expect any "smoking gun" scenarios here. As another poster said, the existence of the guns is big. They'll contain little to no info though.
02-15-2016, 02:23 PM
Dawgowar

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

They can't use anything that's not publicly available other than what people turn over to them. They can purchase data or use lexusnexus, mill through old school records, etc... but they have as much standing as our local HOA to go into a company and ask for private records.

There are some ways they can piece things together, but I don't expect any "smoking gun" scenarios here. As another poster said, the existence of the guns is big. They'll contain little to no info though.

Don't get me wrong, happy with just the known existence of these, but would love to see the trail run to the coaching staff. Not a requirement but it would be nice.
02-15-2016, 02:25 PM
sleepy dawg

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Pisses me off that's who my service is with then.

C Spire does not have burner phones. Please do not lump C Spire in with this mess.
02-15-2016, 02:29 PM
JDog13

Are we sure they weren't Obama phones?
02-15-2016, 02:38 PM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by JDog13

Are we sure they weren't Obama phones?

I love when people give Obama credit for something Bush started. W was such a bleeding heart liberal. Didn't veto a single bill for 6 years. Spend, spend, spend... signed every check that crossed his desk for 6 straight years. Unreal. It's amazing he didn't send Obama phones to all the third world countries.
02-15-2016, 02:44 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I love when people give Obama credit for something Bush started. W was such a bleeding heart liberal. Didn't veto a single bill for 6 years. Spend, spend, spend... signed every check that crossed his desk for 6 straight years. Unreal. It's amazing he didn't send Obama phones to all the third world countries.

I think Regan started it but it was to allow everyone access to a land line to make emergency phone calls.
02-15-2016, 02:47 PM
Saltydog

The burner phones were just part of the ministry and a way for Freezus to spread

the gospel to some unrepentant recruits.........Nothing to see here...........
02-15-2016, 02:57 PM
smootness

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I agree with you, but if the two or three unconnected recruits tell the NCAA the same story, show the NCAA the phones, and show the NCAA that both phones are wiped clean, is that also not a ton of evidence?

The NCAA doesn't need a smoking gun, yet we continue to discuss this as if they do.

You seem to be the only one who understands this. The NCAA doesn't need 'real evidence'. They've proven this time and time again. Once they decide something happened, that's all that is needed. There is no entity for whom they produce and present evidence.
02-15-2016, 03:01 PM
Dawgtini

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

You can't call your cell phone company right now and ask for a log of your own text messages without a court order. It's too costly and they won't provide it. They can provide a call/text log, with the other number, but not he actual messages (voice or text) without court papers.

and even with court papers they do not do it. If the welfare of a minor was involved they may.
02-15-2016, 03:29 PM
JDog13

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I love when people give Obama credit for something Bush started. W was such a bleeding heart liberal. Didn't veto a single bill for 6 years. Spend, spend, spend... signed every check that crossed his desk for 6 straight years. Unreal. It's amazing he didn't send Obama phones to all the third world countries.

Wut
02-15-2016, 04:08 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by jumbo

I have a hard time believing that they got burner iPhones.

This all day. If they are stupid enough to actually hand out burner phones they aren't smart enough to use wipeable iPhones. Which one is it?
02-15-2016, 05:26 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by jumbo

I have a hard time believing that they got burner iPhones.

This all day. If they are stupid enough to actually hand out burner phones they aren't smart enough to use wipeable iPhones. Which one is it?
02-15-2016, 06:20 PM
RougeDawg

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

the gospel to some unrepentant recruits.........Nothing to see here...........

Fearing for blue chip souls requires direct lines of communication with the messiah.

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