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09-06-2015, 05:55 PM
Noxdog

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

One game and ALL of last season. I think I'll be OK if you aren't impressed with my credentials. Unfortunately I have a real life and can't follow and watch all of our recruits games and go to every MSU practice and make a living since that is what it is going to take to satisfy you.

Dang! Really dude? Step off the ledge. U a gambler?
09-06-2015, 05:55 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Noxdog

That Cad Dawg would be a voice of reason in a world of insanity!! We will know who we are on Sat nite.

Haha, me and Nox agreeing? This calls for celebration.

Thanks brother. And yes, we will find out Saturday indeed.
09-06-2015, 05:59 PM
Noxdog

What's the saying about a blind, well you know, LOL. It's all premature at this point, but what Cad is saying has merit.
09-06-2015, 06:17 PM
TaleofTwoDogs

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Originally Posted by dawgoneyall

Shump just doesn't have that it factor. His center gravity or something is to high. When he went out of bounds most running backs could have planted and cut back some. He just can't and he goes down too easily on first contact from the side.

Thank you. The perfect description of Shump. He almost always goes down on the first side hit, he'll run on his right hand for a few extra yards after the hit but that is not what a feature back does. JRob's low center of gravity and lower body strength made him almost impossible to tackle, Shump is the opposite of JRob.
09-06-2015, 06:28 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Todd, you know i like you, man....but this is a "WTF?" Post. You always think you know more than Mullen about personnel. Personally i think you get too caught up in the next big name. You wanted R Dixon to play "HB" all year last year, saying "you would give him touches" if it were you....well he's no longer even on the team. You say you would play Jenkins over Warren, though you've never even seen Jenkins play...youre admittedly going off of hearsay as to whom you would start at LT. Think about that. Now you're saying you would throw 2 true freshmen in at Safety, which Diaz says is the most crucial position on our defense?

Sorry man, but clearly if you were our coach, YOU would be the one playing all of the wrong people. Whether you wanna admit it or not, they know more than you about who needs to be starting.

We cant let a game against USM make us lose total faith in a coach that won 10 games last year. Especially when we likely played extremely vanilla. At least let Mullen play his chosen starters against a real team before telling him he needs to start a completely different, and unexperienced 11! Ha.

Not trying to be a dick, i promise....I just think it's silly for you to act like we should just throw Peters, McLaurin, Jenkins, Gray, etc in the game when you havent even seen them take one single snap of live action. You simply want them in there because "you heard they looked good". C'mon mane.

Wait, you mean Todd is posting stupid shit that he has no clue about? Damn, that's a first.

Unless I'm proven wrong, I've got to think we were sandbagging last night. We've heard way too much about some of the young guys to believe that Deandre Ward, Deontay Evans, etc. are going to be playing significant snaps against an LSU. Either we've been grossly misled about who's performing and our depth chart or we were keeping a bunch of shells in our pocket for next Saturday. I know which one I'm choosing to believe.
09-06-2015, 08:53 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Ok, now tell me why you think Peters is better. What have you seen in his college game film? Oh..that's right.. He Has None. Therefore, yet again, you're saying Peters is the better option based on physical talent and hearsay. Todd, the coaches aren't going to put there jobs on the line when there is a better option on the sideline. Especially Manny, Bc he's seen how quick it can end. Peters isn't the better option right now or he'd be playing...or at least be 2nd string. But he's not. And how easily you've gone right past Bryant and put Peters or McLaurin in there. Have you also seen that Perers is better than Bryant "first hand" or through HUDL?

Come on man. You gotta admit you know nothing about how good those freshman are currently at their positions...and definitely not enough to be saying they should start.

But I'm done debating it. It's a pretty easy debate, Bc the coaches see the players everyday, and we don't.

Actually I have attended every college game he has played in considering he played special teams last night. One of the ONLY freshmen to play last night.

So, basically in your head you "won" the debate by stooping things down to a Genespage level? All the while I obviously have seen these players more than you- but since I'm not a coach that doesn't matter. The fact that Coman continues to stink it up despite a large amount of college experience is also apparently irrelevant to you- but Peters has to have a ton of college experience for you to believe. What's YOUR agenda?

And in the meantime you say the coaches won't play someone that isn't a better option- the SAME coaching staff that chose to play Tyler over Dak, Perkins over Robinson, hasn't started Chris Jones until this year, and believed that Devon Bell could kick a field goal 65 yards. I'm not claiming to be Bill Walsh- but let's not pretend that our coaches are infallible.

But according to you, I can't have an opinion since I don't coach and don't live with the players everyday.

As for me, I'm glad I can actually think for myself without having to move the goal posts to make myself feel good.
09-06-2015, 08:56 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Wait, you mean Todd is posting stupid shit that he has no clue about? Damn, that's a first.

Unless I'm proven wrong, I've got to think we were sandbagging last night. We've heard way too much about some of the young guys to believe that Deandre Ward, Deontay Evans, etc. are going to be playing significant snaps against an LSU. Either we've been grossly misled about who's performing and our depth chart or we were keeping a bunch of shells in our pocket for next Saturday. I know which one I'm choosing to believe.

You're probably buying the same crap that you've bought for the past four years- and all the while believing that Dan will somehow change. I know what I'm choosing to believe too.

And be careful about accusing me of posting "stupid shit"- you're not looking so hot on Coman right now either.
09-06-2015, 09:04 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Actually I have attended every college game he has played in considering he played special teams last night. One of the ONLY freshmen to play last night.

So, basically in your head you "won" the debate by stooping things down to a Genespage level? All the while I obviously have seen these players more than you- but since I'm not a coach that doesn't matter. The fact that Coman continues to stink it up despite a large amount of college experience is also apparently irrelevant to you.

And in the meantime you say the coaches won't play someone that isn't a better option- the SAME coaching staff that chose to play Tyler over Dak, Perkins over Robinson, hasn't started Chris Jones until this year, and believed that Devon Bell could kick a field goal 65 yards. I'm not claiming to be Bill Walsh- but let's not pretend that our coaches are infallible.

But according to you, I can't have an opinion since I don't coach and don't live with the players everyday.

Come on, Todd. Nobody said you couldn't have an opinion. Good grief.

And no, you haven't seen these players play more than me, I doubt. That being said, neither you nor I have seen Peters, Jenkins, etc play a college snap at the position you're wanting them to START at vs LSU, BECAUSE IT HASNT HAPPENED YET. What is so hard to comprehend? You're saying a freshman S that is currently 3rd string, should start over a veteran and a stud RS Fr because "you saw him in highschool and watched his Hudl video"?! Does that not sound asinine to you?! Ha, I don't feel like I won the debate...Bc there was no debate to win.

You are advocating starting a Freshman at LT over a Senior because you "saw his Hudl video and have heard he looks great". Also stating that because of those reasons, you "think he can be the next Sherrod". YOU've BEVER SEEN HIM PLAY COLLEGE BALL, yet you're saying Mullen is stupid for not putting him at the most important position on the OL!

Again, those players are talented, and may even start mid season....my laughing is coming from you claiming how great they are when all you've seen is high school, and Hudl. That's all. It's no big deal, and I'm not trying to get you upset. I'm just trying to tell you how crazy that sounds, so that you'll quit using it to try and prove a point.
09-06-2015, 09:23 PM
aerodawg

I feel like your problem was not with the talent level play from our safeties but with the approach we took last night. We played 2 deep safeties almost all night with the job to not get burnt and keep everything in front of them. They did that. Even on the huge trick play Coman was there but he slipped while the ball was in the air. Schematically we were giving them free plays until it was buckle down time within our own 40 or so.

But yeah go ahead and throw out a couple true freshman on an island back there surely they won't be overwhelmed.
09-06-2015, 09:29 PM
archdog

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

Agree about our secondary. Harris almost pulled out the LSU game last year by burning our secondary. I'm sure he's licking his chops after seeing our secondary's performance last night.

Let me fix that for you. Harris burned Jamerson Love last year. Matter of fact, i believe almost every down field throw they tried was on him.
09-06-2015, 09:37 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by archdog

Let me fix that for you. Harris burned Jamerson Love last year. Matter of fact, i believe almost every down field throw they tried was on him.

To be fair though, I think that second TD he had good coverage just got out jumped but the first one he got flat footed and burned.
09-06-2015, 09:57 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

You're probably buying the same crap that you've bought for the past four years- and all the while believing that Dan will somehow change. I know what I'm choosing to believe too.

And be careful about accusing me of posting "stupid shit"- you're not looking so hot on Coman right now either.

And we're in the middle of the most successful 4 years in school history. But hell, let's go with the Todd List™ team that features great impact SEC players like Rashun Dixon. Sorry, but you're ability to evaluate personnel is shit.
09-06-2015, 10:01 PM
War Machine Dawg

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Originally Posted by aerodawg

I feel like your problem was not with the talent level play from our safeties but with the approach we took last night. We played 2 deep safeties almost all night with the job to not get burnt and keep everything in front of them. They did that. Even on the huge trick play Coman was there but he slipped while the ball was in the air. Schematically we were giving them free plays until it was buckle down time within our own 40 or so.

But yeah go ahead and throw out a couple true freshman on an island back there surely they won't be overwhelmed.

Bingo. I don't know what part of that is so hard to understand. It was pretty obvious during the second half that they weren't scoring a TD unless we royally screwed the pooch. When we had to make stops, we pretty much did. Their lone TD was gift wrapped by Ross.
09-06-2015, 10:11 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Come on, Todd. Nobody said you couldn't have an opinion. Good grief.

And no, you haven't seen these players play more than me, I doubt. That being said, neither you nor I have seen Peters, Jenkins, etc play a college snap at the position you're wanting them to START at vs LSU, BECAUSE IT HASNT HAPPENED YET. What is so hard to comprehend? You're saying a freshman S that is currently 3rd string, should start over a veteran and a stud RS Fr because "you saw him in highschool and watched his Hudl video"?! Does that not sound asinine to you?! Ha, I don't feel like I won the debate...Bc there was no debate to win.

You are advocating starting a Freshman at LT over a Senior because you "saw his Hudl video and have heard he looks great". Also stating that because of those reasons, you "think he can be the next Sherrod". YOU've BEVER SEEN HIM PLAY COLLEGE BALL, yet you're saying Mullen is stupid for not putting him at the most important position on the OL!

Again, those players are talented, and may even start mid season....my laughing is coming from you claiming how great they are when all you've seen is high school, and Hudl. That's all. It's no big deal, and I'm not trying to get you upset. I'm just trying to tell you how crazy that sounds, so that you'll quit using it to try and prove a point.

Not nearly as asinine as expecting true freshmen to have college experience and then accusing me of never having seen them. Because true freshmen NEVER play anywhere all across the country. So I guess all of those other coaches that play true freshmen over experienced players are crazy too, right? Or do they need to consult the great Dan? Did you really expect me to say that I saw them at practice? This is ****ing stupid.

You know what? I'll humor you. Let's say I am wrong on every single player. (Which I'm not)

I would rather at least TRY these players that have more talent and at least see what happens. Hell, it might work. It might cause the veterans to step up because they know their job isn't necessarily safe. I do know this- that's a hell of a lot better than just trotting the same SOB's out there and letting them **** up every weekend because they don't have "college experience".

The ONLY reason I am using HUDL (in ONE case on Gray) and my high school watching experience is because that is all I have to go on. What do you think MLB scouts use with high school and college baseball players? You think their scouting directors tell them they're silly because they're watching players that aren't going up against pro players? You don't like me using it because it's a hell of a lot more than you have. What do you think our college coaches use to evaluate high school players on?
09-06-2015, 10:13 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

And we're in the middle of the most successful 4 years in school history. But hell, let's go with the Todd List™ team that features great impact SEC players like Rashun Dixon. Sorry, but you're ability to evaluate personnel is shit.

So, expecting a guy to play FB and get a touch or two a game is "great impact"? You mean shit like your evaluation of Joe Morrow's career to this point? Or Coman's career for that matter?
09-06-2015, 10:17 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg

Bingo. I don't know what part of that is so hard to understand. It was pretty obvious during the second half that they weren't scoring a TD unless we royally screwed the pooch. When we had to make stops, we pretty much did. Their lone TD was gift wrapped by Ross.

EVERYONE STAY CALM! DAN WON'T BE VANILLA IN SEC PLAY! I PROMISE! IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME! COMAN IS THE SECOND COMING OF RONNIE LOTT!!!
09-06-2015, 10:26 PM
Pollodawg

And State fans turn violently on one another in 3...2...1...
09-06-2015, 10:27 PM
Pollodawg

I don't think I've ever seen an fanbase that hated one another as badly as our fans do.
09-06-2015, 10:29 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Pollodawg

I don't think I've ever seen an fanbase that hated one another as badly as our fans do.

Yep. It seems there's even animosity between our fans for what message board they prefer
09-06-2015, 10:32 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Not nearly as asinine as expecting true freshmen to have college experience and then accusing me of never having seen them. Because true freshmen NEVER play anywhere all across the country. So I guess all of those other coaches that play true freshmen over experienced players are crazy too, right? Or do they need to consult the great Dan? Did you really expect me to say that I saw them at practice? This is ****ing stupid.

You know what? I'll humor you. Let's say I am wrong on every single player. (Which I'm not)

I would rather at least TRY these players that have more talent and at least see what happens. Hell, it might work. It might cause the veterans to step up because they know their job isn't necessarily safe. I do know this- that's a hell of a lot better than just trotting the same SOB's out there and letting them **** up every weekend because they don't have "college experience".

The ONLY reason I am using HUDL (in ONE case on Gray) and my high school watching experience is because that is all I have to go on. What do you think MLB scouts use with high school and college baseball players? You think their scouting directors tell them they're silly because they're watching players that aren't going up against pro players? You don't like me using it because it's a hell of a lot more than you have. What do you think our college coaches use to evaluate high school players on?

Are you trying to be this ridiculous? Where did I say freshmen shouldn't play??

I said YOU have no knowledge of a freshman being "better than ______", because YOU haven't seen them in action. DAN and MANNY have...so for YOU to say Dan is stupid for not starting Peters, Jenkins, McLaurin, or D Gray "in the slot", is absurd because YOU haven't seen them play, so YOU don't have the info to make that statement except for hearsay and Hudl.

DAN and DIAZ do have that info, Bc DAN and DIAZ are at every practice and scrimmage, and they know if the youngsters are comprehending the scheme and plays to go with their obvious talent. Mullen played Jackson, Dear, Johnson, AND Peters....so clearly they aren't "too dumb" to play talented freshmen. He is actually smart enough not to put them in position to fail if they aren't ready yet.

It's not brain surgery, Todd. Don't know why you get so upset just Bc someone disagrees and cites why. But I'll bow out now. You keep telling Mullen how much better those freshmen are than those Seniors though.

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