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05-10-2015, 09:09 AM
Political Hack

agree Todd. he has to adjust his approach. If he doesn't, and we lose again, he'll be in hot water.
05-10-2015, 09:46 AM
msstate7

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season
05-10-2015, 11:05 AM
Bully13

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

best analogy yet.
05-10-2015, 11:10 AM
Quaoarsking

Going 18-12 in the SEC last year was special, at least by our standards (not Vanderbilt's or Florida's or South Carolina's standards, but just judging by our recent history, it was a special conference season for us). Barely missing out on hosting in 2012 and 2014 (I don't understand why everyone has retconned those years into somehow we weren't even close to hosting) is pretty special now that the NCAA lets hosting ride on how good a team's season is, not much much $ and fans it will generate back when Polk I was hosting a lot.

Also, I don't know how to say this, but the idea of us having the divine right to be a better baseball program than Ole Miss is over. They've been a better program than us for nearly 15 years -- not every specific year, but overall. They also outdraw us attendance wise (not in maximum of course, but in average). Sucks, but we can no longer just assume that we're supposed to be better than them. :( I hope we restore that divine right one day, but we don't have it now.
05-10-2015, 11:14 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

Bianco took over a much, much better situation than what Cohen did. We literally allowed them to overtake us during the Polk II years not to mention Bianco took over a team that had just barely missed a regional.

Bianco also never had to deal with Polk or fans worried about cussing in the dugout and a split fanbase when he first arrived.

If you throw out Cohen's first two years, we have been better than Ole Miss has been over the past five years. Ole Miss has been better than us this year- but I highly doubt they go any further than a regional with their pitching.
05-10-2015, 11:17 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Going 18-12 in the SEC last year was special, at least by our standards (not Vanderbilt's or Florida's or South Carolina's standards, but just judging by our recent history, it was a special conference season for us). Barely missing out on hosting in 2012 and 2014 (I don't understand why everyone has retconned those years into somehow we weren't even close to hosting) is pretty special now that the NCAA lets hosting ride on how good a team's season is, not much much $ and fans it will generate back when Polk I was hosting a lot.

Also, I don't know how to say this, but the idea of us having the divine right to be a better baseball program than Ole Miss is over. They've been a better program than us for nearly 15 years -- not every specific year, but overall. They also outdraw us attendance wise (not in maximum of course, but in average). Sucks, but we can no longer just assume that we're supposed to be better than them. :(

Because certain people on this board have an agenda and they know that they look stupid because of that whole CWS/SR elephant that is in the room so they have to try to focus on something that hasn't actually been done- even though that is a lower standard than what has actually been accomplished and in the grand scheme means very little.
05-10-2015, 11:24 AM
Smitty

You want to know why he's lost the team? You really want to know. Is it because the players are "pussies"? No. I really doubt that. It's because they know, they KNOW that his methods do not lead to success.

You think they get sick and tired of his meddling with their shit leading to less success? You bet. You think Vickerson might be a little irked after being forced to sac bunt 3 times in a row? You don't think the players know his whole approach is making it LESS LIKELY for them to enjoy success.

That's really the only reason why you would "lose a team"... When the team doesn't believe you are giving them the best chance of winning, THAT will lose a team. Like we have seen this year.
05-10-2015, 11:30 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Smitty

You want to know why he's lost the team? You really want to know. Is it because the players are "pussies"? No. I really doubt that. It's because they know, they KNOW that his methods do not lead to success.

You think they get sick and tired of his meddling with their shit leading to less success? You bet. You think Vickerson might be a little irked after being forced to sac bunt 3 times in a row? You don't think the players know his whole approach is making it LESS LIKELY for them to enjoy success.

That's really the only reason why you would "lose a team"... When the team doesn't believe you are giving them the best chance of winning, THAT will lose a team. Like we have seen this year.

I'd like to see the link to the box score where anyone has SAC bunted three times in a row.

But yeah- you're right. The bullpen has been blowing games because they don't like all of the bunting.

And a couple of other things:

1. A lot of these guys were bunting a lot in JUCO or HS. And then they get to MSU and NOW they're going to decide "gee this doesn't work and coach in an idiot? I'm going to tank it." If you for even a second think that the players listen to you and take even remotely seriously- they don't.

2. I don't care if our coach tells Bryce Harper to SAC bunt with the bases loaded down four with two outs. If that's what the coach tells you to do, you do it. If you don't, you need to leave.

Not to mention the fact that if any of that really was an issue, it would have come to light by now. I guess all of the multiple posters on here all got together and just made up the skipping workouts issue and the leadership issues with the seniors.
05-10-2015, 11:42 AM
Smitty

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd like to see the link to the box score where anyone has SAC bunted three times in a row.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Cody Brown gets on base 3 straight times- followed by 3 straight Vickerson bunt attempts. Thats not baseball- thats bullshit.

LET THEM SWING THE ****ING BAT

We lost that game by the way
05-10-2015, 11:44 AM
Jacksondevildog

Nope. When you have a family member that goes to class with the players and they say that so and so is missing workouts and are lazy, that's where it's coming from. People talk.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I'd like to see the link to the box score where anyone has SAC bunted three times in a row.

But yeah- you're right. The bullpen has been blowing games because they don't like all of the bunting.

And a couple of other things:

1. A lot of these guys were bunting a lot in JUCO or HS. And then they get to MSU and NOW they're going to decide "gee this doesn't work and coach in an idiot? I'm going to tank it." If you for even a second think that the players listen to you and take even remotely seriously- they don't.

2. I don't care if our coach tells Bryce Harper to SAC bunt with the bases loaded down four with two outs. If that's what the coach tells you to do, you do it. If you don't, you need to leave.

Not to mention the fact that if any of that really was an issue, it would have come to light by now. I guess all of the multiple posters on here all got together and just made up the skipping workouts issue and the leadership issues with the seniors.
05-10-2015, 01:17 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Smitty

We lost that game by the way

A bunt attempt is not the same as three straight sacrifices. STILL waiting.

Edit to say that I looked up that game that you are referencing. Interesting that you failed to mention that we blew a FIVE run lead and scored seven runs total and ended up losing in extra innings.
05-10-2015, 03:12 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Bully13

best analogy yet.

And Bianco would no longer be the coach there post 2011, 2012, and 2012 if their idiot fans had their way.
05-10-2015, 03:49 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Anyone have head-to-head record?

30-27 Cohen after this shitshow of a season.
05-10-2015, 03:50 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by engie

30-27 Cohen after this shitshow of a season.

That seems a lot of games. All my comparisons were tied directly to their tenure at OM and state
05-10-2015, 03:54 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

30-27 Cohen after this shitshow of a season.

You counting stents at other schools? What's their head to head records at State and Ole Miss? It doesn't matter if one beat the other more while at Northeast Louisiana Technical Institute
05-10-2015, 03:54 PM
Tbonewannabe

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Bianco took over a much, much better situation than what Cohen did. We literally allowed them to overtake us during the Polk II years not to mention Bianco took over a team that had just barely missed a regional.

Bianco also never had to deal with Polk or fans worried about cussing in the dugout and a split fanbase when he first arrived.

If you throw out Cohen's first two years, we have been better than Ole Miss has been over the past five years. Ole Miss has been better than us this year- but I highly doubt they go any further than a regional with their pitching.

This isn't correct. Last year and this year Ole Miss has had the better team.
05-10-2015, 03:56 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by msstate7

That seems a lot of games. All my comparisons were tied directly to their tenure at OM and state

So overall resume only matters when it can make a negative point against Cohen? And you think this is fair? You shouldn't have asked a question you weren't going to like the answer to.
05-10-2015, 03:57 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

This isn't correct. Last year and this year Ole Miss has had the better team.

2 of 5 is a majority now?
05-10-2015, 03:58 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

And Bianco would no longer be the coach there post 2011, 2012, and 2012 if their idiot fans had their way.

2011 -- OM was 30-25 (13-17)
2012 -- OM was 37-26 (14-16)... regional finish

Those are crazy fans for talking about firing Bianco.

This year Cohen is 24-27 (8-19). This will most likely be the 3rd time in 7 years that Cohen finishes with 10 sec wins or fewer. Bianco has never won less than 13 in sec play. Bianco has never had a losing overall record. This will most likely be Cohen's 3rd in 7 years. Do you see a difference?
05-10-2015, 03:59 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by engie

So overall resume only matters when it can make a negative point against Cohen? And you think this is fair? You shouldn't have asked a question you weren't going to like the answer to.

Sorry but what Cohen did at Kentucky or LA directional doesn't mean a dang thing here

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