The drop in fan support for MSU Basketball is a major crisis

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Outstanding post...Gracias amigo

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ha, i hadn't even goten to page 2 when i posted my response.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We would have been a much better team with Daniels and Ware inside during SEC play- with Borchert coming off the bench. Roq could have played the 3 some- and we could have actually had a big line-up out there in some games to match other teams. But Ray didnt do that- why?

Because what is best for the long term health of the program- win 3-4 more games this season? Or have Daniels and Ware playing together for the next 2 full seasons? Program building is never easy. But he made the right decision and we'll start seeing the benefits next year

2015 is on Ray and we'll see if he delivers

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so do jucos make us magically better because they add depth, or is it dumb to just add some jucos for depth? i just wanna know which position i'm responding to at any given time.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

It's the garbage instant gratification world we live in. Hell I'm 25 and I'm the one that should be wanting instant results, but I'm way more realistic than that. People want results now and are too impatient. The whole point of this argument over our basketball team is being lost by the Ray bashers/Stans lovers. It's not whether or not we would be better this year or last year. That's entirely too short-sighted. It's whether or not Stansbury would have ever given us better. The answer to that question is no. We had 13 years of experience to base that opinion off of.

Did he do good things? Yeah nobody questions that. But this plan was long term rebuild from the ground up in order to have a chance down the road of greater success. The first two years weren't going to be pretty. Wish they were a little prettier but shit happens. This team is 4-6 wins better with Lewis and Steele because that is decently talented senior leadership and depth that we really could have used. That decision was made for them to be gone and I'm cool with that because it's the direction our program needs to go. But now we sit back and evaluate what happens next year. It's all on Ray next year and if he screws the pooch then we make the necessary changes and go from there.

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rick ray skeptics =/= stansbury lovers.

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Originally Posted by mic

Syracuse won 2 games at the buzzer that same tourney.. If they get upset we prob would have been in the finals.. It takes a little luck to get to elight 8, final 4 ect.. The fact that Stans never did get past the 2nd round with the talent he had still amazes me..

Most of you keep Blaming RR and basically only RR for where the program is now.. NO ONE would have come in here last year and won , and even if another coach had recruited a great class after his first year we still wouldn't have been tourney team this year. Im not saying RR gets a pass with some blame, but it should be handed out to Scott for the questionable hire, and the ex coach for leaving the program in the shape it was in..
If RR doesn't win next year , then I agree we need to look elsewhere for a coach. But the job will look much more appealing to whoever comes in here than it did 2 years ago..

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no one was disappointed with ray's coaching last year. i've been on the record multiple times saying that even coach K and roy williams would have only been able to get 1, maybe 2 more Ws out of that squad.

i think most of us had a time line of expectations that looked something like this:
year 1: expected disaster, just keep the ship afloat, play hard, etc. - expectations met
year 2: finish at .500 overall, with at least 6 conference Ws, continue to show improvement on the court and give good effort, solid recruiting class - expectations have NOT been met
year 3: compete for NIT, no excuse to miss the CBI, finish around .500 in the conference, continue to bring in talent
year 4: compete for NCAA, no excuse to miss the NIT, win 10 conference games, continue to bring in talent

obviously shit can change, but that's a rough outline of what i'd have charted my expectations over ray's 1st 4 years. imo we are a worse team now than we were last year (at the very least, we are no better), and that concerns me.