Applewhite to Transfer

I swear the RR haters would rather us lose and say I told ya so than we win.
This thread was about a kid transferring. Trust me there is more to it than what is being said so far. If a kid transfers during the season there better be a really good reason he either got the boot or if he just wanted to transfer then he is a quitter and quit on the team . PERIOD..

Again RR is 10x better X and O coach than Stans. I was even told that by an ex Stands player. So close the book on that

Can he recruit better.?? who knows it hasn't even been 2 years yet. Give him 4 years if there isn't progress I will be the first to say he has to go.

Can he develop talent better.?? I will say yes he can. I think we see Sword is already making a claim to that. How many kids in Stands reign got better.?? very few. Most got worse. because if he could recruit as good as everyone said he could why so few players and I mean very few ever made it to the NBA.

Cleaner program.? yes

So can we please end the RR sucks or whatever posts threads until after next year. Im sure if we are still not making progress in year 4 he will be replaced.
If you want to blame anyone for the shape our Basketball program is in . Look no further than good ole Stands. And if you want to blame Strick for the hire then I have no problem with that.. We all know how and what went down there...

Here are the facts and people just need to accept them:

1. Stands was done as a coach. Helen Keller even communicated with Stricklin that she recognized that
2. Ray was left a program that was nuked and riddled with druggies
3. Ray is a much better floor coach than Stands
4. Stands of 1993-2006 is a better recruiter than Ray- but Stands also had a helluva network supporting his ass in the process. That network is no longer functioning
5. We are obviously better in Ray's 2nd season than his 1st. And if you watched the effort and heart of what he was left with- his 1st season was a success.

Gonna have to let it play out and see what happens in Ray's first 4 years.

It's strange that this transfer has sparked the anti-Ray posts. Applewhite transferring isn't the same as Chicken or Ware transferring. We need better players. Everyone can see that. The roster is full. The only way we get better players is for some of the 13 allotted scholarships already filled to move elsewhere. Here's one that has opened up. Can we use this open spot to sign a better player than Applewhite? Abso****inglutely. We only have 1 of the 12 Dandy Dozen players. Sign any of the others and we've immediately upgraded. The #3 Juco scorer in the nation plays in Alabama. Jay Watkins https://mobile.twitter.com/JayWatkins_4 and he's unsigned. Would he be an upgrade? I think he would be. A former 5* McDonalds All-American is 30 minutes away. Devonta Pollard. Is he an upgrade? Yup for sure. If we want to be sniffing the bubble next year we HAVE to replace 3-4 players with better players. Here's the 1st one to go. Tevin Moore and Bear Wilson are more than capable of replacing 6 points and 6 boards a game for this season. Relax people. MSU will improve from this transfer.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Here are the facts and people just need to accept them:

1. Stands was done as a coach. Helen Keller even communicated with Stricklin that she recognized that
2. Ray was left a program that was nuked and riddled with druggies
3. Ray is a much better floor coach than Stands
4. Stands of 1993-2006 is a better recruiter than Ray- but Stands also had a helluva network supporting his ass in the process. That network is no longer functioning
5. We are obviously better in Ray's 2nd season than his 1st. And if you watched the effort and heart of what he was left with- his 1st season was a success.

Gonna have to let it play out and see what happens in Ray's first 4 years.

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CALLING BULLSHIT ON #3 AND #5. BASED ON WHAT?? YOUR OPINION?

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

CALLING BULLSHIT ON #3 AND #5. BASED ON WHAT?? YOUR OPINION?

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Yes, that is his opinion. And it's one that's fairly easy to support based on the product on the court and the way it has progressed.

I understand fans who think we made a bad hire and have the opinion that Ray won't get the job done. What I don't get, on any level, is the fans who seem angry about it and vehemently argue with anyone who claims something positive about Ray.

Why would Mississippi State fans be so quick to yell, 'HE SUCKS!!!!' about the Mississippi State coach? When he hasn't really been given a full chance to prove it one way or another?

Again, if you think his tenure will end in disappointment, fine; but why wouldn't you at least wait until that happens before jumping down everyone's throat to be the first to bash him? Makes absolutely no sense to me.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Agreed, but everyone has to be prepared for it in college basketball these days. I defended it when it happened under Stans, and I'll defend it when it happens under Ray as well, assuming it doesn't get out of hand.

Just do some research on how many D1 basketball transfers there are these days; it's pretty staggering overall, and it happens to every program.

I hate losing Applewhite; I really, really liked his game, and there's no way to spin it as a positive. But it will happen.

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Over 400 in DI so far this year

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Originally Posted by smootness

Yes, that is his opinion. And it's one that's fairly easy to support based on the product on the court and the way it has progressed.

I understand fans who think we made a bad hire and have the opinion that Ray won't get the job done. What I don't get, on any level, is the fans who seem angry about it and vehemently argue with anyone who claims something positive about Ray.

Why would Mississippi State fans be so quick to yell, 'HE SUCKS!!!!' about the Mississippi State coach? When he hasn't really been given a full chance to prove it one way or another?

Again, if you think his tenure will end in disappointment, fine; but why wouldn't you at least wait until that happens before jumping down everyone's throat to be the first to bash him? Makes absolutely no sense to me.

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I just think his Statement that Ray is abetter floor coach Than Stansbury has no substance. I have not seen any great floor coaching by Ray.he Coached in two of our worst loses ever .

this years schedule is the weakest in History. We will know more soon. I am actually glad Applewhite left now Ray can sign Pollard.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I just think his Statement that Ray is abetter floor coach Than Stansbury has no substance. I have not seen any great floor coaching by Ray.

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Ray makes adjustments during games that we didn't see from Stans teams. When has 1 player beat us for 4 quarters under Ray like they ROUTINELY did against Stansbury teams? We CONSTANTLY make adjustments to take away what other teams are doing well. Plus there is actually an initial scouting report and gameplan in what we do now.

How can people fail to see a difference between a talent problem and a coaching problem? Are they just looking at box scores?

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he Coached in two of our worst loses ever .

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Cohen lost to Jackson St in year 2. The recruiter lost to Rider, East Tennessee St, etc over a decade into his tenure as well...

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this years schedule is the weakest in History.

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Complain about bad losses -- then complain about an easy schedule. Which do you prefer during the rebuild? Can't have your cake and eat it too...

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We will know more soon. I am actually glad Applewhite left now Ray can sign Pollard.

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I agree with this. I still hate losing a player midseason though. Ready to hear the rest of the story...

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Originally Posted by engie

Ray makes adjustments during games that we didn't see from Stans teams. When has 1 player beat us for 4 quarters under Ray like they ROUTINELY did against Stansbury teams? We CONSTANTLY make adjustments to take away what other teams are doing well. Plus there is actually an initial scouting report and gameplan in what we do now.

How can people fail to see a difference between a talent problem and a coaching problem? Are they just looking at box scores?


Cohen lost to Jackson St in year 2. The recruiter lost to Rider, East Tennessee St, etc over a decade into his tenure as well...


Complain about bad losses -- then complain about an easy schedule. Which do you prefer during the rebuild? Can't have your cake and eat it too...


I agree with this. I still hate losing a player midseason though. Ready to hear the rest of the story...

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Look , I am not against cupcakes, just don't like all the bragging about beating them. We should have have beaten a pitiful TCU team who didn't even play their best two players. I was just saying it is way to early to say Ray is abetter floor coach the Stans.

I don't get your constant comparison of Ray to John. There is no comparison. There was never a time I didn't believe in JC. There hasn't been a single time I believe in Rick Ray.

I am talking about getting beat by fifty in the Hump, Stans never did that. Shit Ray, hold the damn ball if you have too.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Look , I am not against cupcakes, just don't like all the bragging about beating them. We should have have beaten a pitiful TCU team who didn't even play their best two players. I was just saying it is way to early to say Ray is abetter floor coach the Stans.

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You say that -- and you are wrong. It just makes it 100% clear to me that you don't understand what is actually happening on the court -- because if you did -- you wouldn't be stating it how you are. You would be taking the approach of the decent basketball posters instead -- saying there are plenty of positives in what is actually happening on the floor and that can be taken and that we need to continue to upgrade talent and depth.

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I don't get your constant comparison of Ray to John. There is no comparison. There was never a time I didn't believe in JC. There hasn't been a single time I believe in Rick Ray.

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That's your own prerogative. A TON of our fans didn't "believe" in Cohen -- over stuff that happened in REBUILDING YEARS. Exactly like you are losing your mind on Ray over what's happening during a rebuilding year.

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I am talking about getting beat by fifty in the Hump, Stans never did that. Shit Ray, hold the damn ball if you have too.

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Stansbury built the team he inherited for almost a decade before he took it over. Hardly apples to apples.

But you aren't out to make a fair comparison -- you are out to project Rick Ray in the worst possible light -- for what reason?

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

CALLING BULLSHIT ON #3 AND #5. BASED ON WHAT?? YOUR OPINION?

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I should ban you for simply being a got-damn moron. But I'm not going to. I want you to hang around and watch us win 7-8 SEC games this year so I can harass you unmercifully

Don't ever recall Stans going through two years in a row with only 8 scholarship players available to play SEC games.

2005-2006- Stands 8th year as HC:

Northwestern State 76 State 75 loss
SE Louisiana 57 State 46 loss
Akron 83 State 72 loss

OT wins over:

Santa Clara
Troy

This was just one season of crap under Stands. To act like every season was a party is insane.

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Originally Posted by engie

Was Cohen's turnaround, then, also a "miracle"?

It's stupid to try to define a coach that inherited the shitstorm that Ray did before he's had time to get it going(year 3 we start judging). Just like we had an ample amount of idiots screaming from the rooftops that Cohen was a huge f'n mistake for the better part 3 full years. Even had some playing that card into year 4.

Prognosticating right now, based on basically nothing other than player turnover when instilling a culture change, is dumb. It's basically exactly what people did with Cohen. And everyone can say "well that was different" with hindsight -- but I can show you HUNDREDS of threads and posts that say things were exactly the same.

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GREAT POST & SPOT ON!

I wish basketball posts wouldn't always have to turn into a Ray vs Stans debate. This thread was about a Ray signee leaving the team midway through the season, then as usual turns into a pissing contest about Rick Ray and Stansbury. I think most on both sides should reserve judgment until after the season on how our program is progressing or declining

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

Don't ever recall Stans going through two years in a row with only 8 scholarship players available to play SEC games.

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Exactly, He had more sense than to try it. Ray didn't have to play with eight players. He signed players that couldn't qualify or got hurt or He ran them off.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I should ban you for simply being a got-damn moron. But I'm not going to. I want you to hang around and watch us win 7-8 SEC games this year so I can harass you unmercifully

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Thanks what a gracious dickhead you are. There are some suck ass SEC teams--Auburn, SC and Ga. But where are the other three wins coming from? The only player that Ray has brought in , in two years that is playing is Ready who is not ready and will be be abused in SEC play.excuse me I forgot about Bloodman, who couldn't play for Delta State.

Hope we win a shitpot load of games in the SEC. If so I gladly eat some crow. But having seen plenty of MSU Coaches( yes even Ron Greene, who you had never heard of) Rick Ray rates up there with Jim Hatfield.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Exactly, He had more sense than to try it. Ray didn't have to play with eight players. He signed players that couldn't qualify or got hurt or He ran them off.

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Yeah -- it's Ray's fault that Stansbury's guys fail 3+ drug tests and are mandatorily dismissed...Also his fault that we blow out 3(or was it 4) ACLs?

Wow at this stupid agenda you are pushing. I would say you are the worst -- but unfortunately you aren't. You are one of 3 or 4 though -- so keep trying -- and maybe you can assume that role.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Thanks what a gracious dickhead you are. There are some suck ass SEC teams--Auburn, SC and Ga. But where are the other three wins coming from? The only player that Ray has brought in , in two years that is playing is Ready who is not ready and will be be abused in SEC play.excuse me I forgot about Bloodman, who couldn't play for Delta State.

Hope we win a shitpot load of games in the SEC. If so I gladly eat some crow. But having seen plenty of MSU Coaches( yes even Ron Greene, who you had never heard of) Rick Ray rates up there with Jim Hatfield.

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Wow. Just.... WOW.

"Where are the other 3 wins coming from"? In all of your ****tardery -- did you not realize we play those 3 listed teams a total of 5 times? Or are you just that dedicated to trolling? But you know basketball because you've been watching MSU play for 98324098234 yearz and Ray is a shitty floor coach!!1!1

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Originally Posted by engie

Yeah -- it's Ray's fault that Stansbury's guys fail 3+ drug tests and are mandatorily dismissed...Also his fault that we blow out 3(or was it 4) ACLs?

Wow at this stupid agenda you are pushing. I would say you are the worst -- but unfortunately you aren't. You are one of 3 or 4 though -- so keep trying -- and maybe you can assume that role.

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I don't have an agenda, I just don't agree with the Rick Ray love you and C34 expound . It's been a cluster **** since we fired Stans. Instead of looking at Ray and our team and seeing that We are a bottom feeder in a weakass SeC, Y'all continue to bash Stans. I'll quit defending the bashing of Stansbury if Coach will quit bashing Him in a thread that had nothing to do with Him.

I'm all for Ray standing on His on merits. But don't bash Stanbury to try and Make Ray look better. Coach, You calling someone a Moron is worthy of the comedy channel.