If we're so hopelessly poor that it doesn't matter who our coach is...

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Are we though? I would say we got worse from September to October, worse from October to November, and worse from November to January.

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The argument here is - did any player who didn't get hurt show real improvement throughout the year.

KT definitely improved throughout the year. Anthony Evans felt like he improved some. Defensively I'm not sure I know anyone who really did. We did change DC.

But the other side of that - injury management - we didn't do well there and that does ultimately fall on the coach's S&C program.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I mean, if he won we would have all been thrilled no matter how it happened, and if he blew a 17-point lead and lost, we would have all (well, not all actually...) been upset no matter how it happened.

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Ok, try and stay in one lane. Poster stated "if he had eaten up clock" and I said "if he had and lost..." then he and others like you would've said "we went too conservative".

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Be so terrible that you lose yo Toledo by 40 at home, so the next season you get credit for close losses.

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Oh no, he's drunk and arguing with himself it appears.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The "discord" is being caused by our 2-17 head coach, and his so-called supporters who won't even try to argue that he's doing a good job but instead just call the majority stupid for thinking 2-17 isn't good enough.

It's OK for people to want to make a coaching change. It was OK in 2008, 2019, 2023, and it's OK now too. It's fine for people to talk about it on a message board.

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Here is where you lose people. Most normal people see Y1 for what it was- a complete rebuild where he hardly spent any NIL money. It was a throw away and everybody knew it going in- especially our AD. But- what was expected was improvement in Y2. Our AD telling people we need more money. We got to invest in football. Guess what? Thats what we got. This year while not great was a success. Next year? Need to find some guys that can play and find a way to win a few games. What does that take? More money and resources. More front office personnel. Beamer demanded it at SC and got it. We better step it up also or nothing will change.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Ok, try and stay in one lane. Poster stated "if he had eaten up clock" and I said "if he had and lost..." then the he and others like you would've said "we went too conservative".

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I mean, any situation which involves losing a game when we lead by 17 with 10 minutes to go is going to cause a lot of consternation from the fanbase. But if he had at least not kept snapping it with 20 seconds left on the play clock (with the game clock running), it wouldn't have seem so stupidly self-inflicted.

If the offense can't work while taking time off the clock, that's on the head coach, any head coach.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Ok, try and stay in one lane. Poster stated "if he had eaten up clock" and I said "if he had and lost..." then he and others like you would've said "we went too conservative".

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Yes I think yall are agreeing here. The problem is that Lebby made the decisions that ends in losses more than wins. So do the opposite will be the surface complaint but the real root is that people are complaining we have a loser.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Here is where you lose people. Most normal people see Y1 for what it was- a complete rebuild where he hardly spent any NIL money. It was a throw away and everybody knew it going in- especially our AD. But- what was expected was improvement in Y2. Our AD telling people we need more money. We got to invest in football. Guess what? Thats what we got. This year while not great was a success. Next year? Need to find some guys that can play and find a way to win a few games. What does that take? More money and resources. More front office personnel. Beamer demanded it at SC and got it. We better step it up also or nothing will change.

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It also takes a coach who won't shoot the team in the foot. I hope Lebby enrolls in some remedial coaching strategy courses this Spring.

I mean, if you were our coach this past year, we would have won 6 or 7 games. You know to run out the clock when up 17. You know that you've got to get the FG at least attempted when down 3 in range. I'm not asking Lebby to become Nick Saban.

Lebby has 12 months to improve drastically and with the schedule for next year I'm not certain he'll make it. We need to start a search committee now and get ahead of the search. Thankfully the SEC schools had the major turnover this year. SC may be our competition for a coach. The loser of that game is probably 95% getting fired.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It also takes a coach who won't shoot the team in the foot. I hope Lebby enrolls in some remedial coaching strategy courses this Spring.

I mean, if you were our coach this past year, we would have won 6 or 7 games. You know to run out the clock when up 17. You know that you've got to get the FG at least attempted when down 3 in range. I'm not asking Lebby to become Nick Saban.

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You know I totally agree with you about the Texas game. But some coaches- not just Lebby- dont want to alter their philosophy. And his is to play fast. It can certainly win you games- but it cost us vs Texas.

At the end of the day football needs more resources. No matter who the coach is.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lebby has 12 months to improve drastically and with the schedule for next year I'm not certain he'll make it. We need to start a search committee now and get ahead of the search. Thankfully the SEC schools had the major turnover this year. SC may be our competition for a coach. The loser of that game is probably 95% getting fired.

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I'm pulling for him. I don't think he will succeed, but I wanna be wrong. I convinced myself he'd have us ready last night, and he let me down again

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Lebby has 12 months to improve drastically and with the schedule for next year I'm not certain he'll make it. We need to start a search committee now and get ahead of the search. Thankfully the SEC schools had the major turnover this year. SC may be our competition for a coach. The loser of that game is probably 95% getting fired.

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The **** we need a committee for? It's 1. Mullen, 2. Eric Morris, 3. Jerry Mack. There job done. Mack would take our job if given the opportunity next year - no need to search any deeper.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Oh no, he's drunk and arguing with himself it appears.

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I think the point was clear.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm pulling for him. I don't think he will succeed, but I wanna be wrong. I convinced myself he'd have us ready last night, and he let me down again

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Same, but he's lost me as well. He's having to learn too much on the job and hasn't improved enough. He's measured with win & losses and potential is no longer acceptable in year 3.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

You know I totally agree with you about the Texas game. But some coaches- not just Lebby- dont want to alter their philosophy. And his is to play fast. It can certainly win you games- but it cost us vs Texas.

At the end of the day football needs more resources. No matter who the coach is.

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Offensive system: Won @ Arkansas
Head Coaching Decisions: Lost @ Florida, Lost vs. Texsa, Lost vs. Tenn, Lost vs. Aggy (go dig up the thread about our shitty run designs which was again a problem last night), Lost vs. WF, TBD if his decision cost us KT Y2 and a bunch of losses prematurely, Won @ ASU

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

We beat Tennessee if our offensive line doesn't whiff and Shapen gets sacked. We tried to run the clock out against Texas and couldn't because of our offensive line. And we executed poorly on punt coverage.

Those issues are corrected with better talent.

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That same OL got us a 17 pt lead on TX with 900 to play. That loss is all on Lebby. Any other take is just a false narrative.

Not saying OL can't get better but we had a freaking 17 pt lead middle of 4th. No excuse. Tenn and UF same.

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Originally Posted by Tater

The **** we need a committee for? It's 1. Mullen, 2. Eric Morris, 3. Jerry Mack. There job done. Mack would take our job if given the opportunity next year - no need to search any deeper.

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Lol, I'm fine with that. We need an actual head coach

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Originally Posted by Tater

The **** we need a committee for? It's 1. Mullen, 2. Eric Morris, 3. Jerry Mack. There job done. Mack would take our job if given the opportunity next year - no need to search any deeper.

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We could hire two of those on Monday.

Eric Morris isnt leaving his new job for StarkVegas

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

That same OL got us a 17 pt lead on TX with 900 to play. That loss is all on Lebby. Any other take is just a false narrative.

Not saying OL can't get better but we had a freaking 17 pt lead middle of 4th. No excuse. Tenn and UF same.

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Yes but when you lack depth on the offensive line guess when that shows up? The fourth quarter.

My biggest problem with this team is we weren't anywhere near as good last night as we were mid season. That's foretelling.