Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Jimmys and Joes Still Matter More Than Xs and Os

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

He's getting more comfortable in the game. He's understanding that you can't out athlete people at this level. That's good. He still has learning to do though. Now I will say one thing he has learned and I'll give him a lot of credit for because young QBs don't understand it, he knows when to just tuck it and go. He's got pretty good pocket awareness. And unlike Van Buren, he has sense enough to know where the sticks are and get to them. He still struggles making the right read all the time, obviously has accuracy struggles, and we can't run the full offense with him.

It's a learning process with a Freshman QB in this league. I do not expect to win starting him on Saturday night. I hope we win, but I'm not expecting it. And that's not doubting Kamario in any way. It's statistics telling me Freshman QBs with bad O Lines don't tend to do well in their first starts. Because look, Mizzou is going to blitz him early. They will zero blitz him at least one time early, whether that be on the first drive or second drive, to see how he handles it.

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Especially to be so young.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

LOL have you even watched the games? Our stadium is a home game outside the student section for the other SEC teams.

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Dude this ain't 2014 and even then Aub had plenty of buts in seats. For a losing program, we have shown up. Only UT and UGA have bought too many tickets.

You obviously haven't seen much State football. Have you even been to a game this year? Only the east side has had any visitors and only two games UGA and Tenn - both blueblood and currently winning highly ranked programs - us no. Also they are very large fanbases.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Dude this ain't 2014 and even then Aub had plenty of buts in seats. For a losing program, we have shown up. Only UT and UGA have bought too many tickets.

You obviously haven't seen much State football. Have you even been to a game this year? Only the east side has had any visitors and only two games UGA and Tenn - both blueblood and currently winning highly ranked programs - us no. Also they are very large fanbases.

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The entire east side of the stadium was visiting fans for UGA and Tenn and over half for Texas. Those are the 3 games we played outside mid majors and ASU who is on the other side of the country. Other SEC schools do not have this problem in their stadiums outside Vandy. This didn?t even happen near as bad when Croom was here when I was in college and going to every game. Of course the fans that go are great, but how is it that we are letting almost half our stadium be filled with visiting fans. It legit makes me more infuriated than anything this year. Actually I should?ve just say SEC schools stadiums but all stadiums of P4 teams outside the ones in major metropolitan areas

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

The entire east side of the stadium was visiting fans for UGA and Tenn and over half for Texas. Those are the 3 games we played outside mid majors and ASU who is on the other side of the country. Other SEC schools do not have this problem in their stadiums outside Vandy. This didn?t even happen near as bad when Croom was here when I was in college and going to every game. Of course the fans that go are great, but how is it that we are letting almost half our stadium be filled with visiting fans. It legit makes me more infuriated than anything this year. Actually I should?ve just say SEC schools stadiums but all stadiums of P4 teams outside the ones in major metropolitan areas

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I know from what I've read that you live in Pittsburgh perhaps, and can't make it to the games. People are no longer going to attend games with a team that has lost 16 out of the last 17 SEC games especially with the high cost of season tickets, Bulldog Club dues, travel, food, lodging if it applies, etc. There are so many more options available for their time and entertainment dollar.

Hardcore fans like my family and friends will always be there on the West side but there has been opposing fans seated around us in section 4, a heavy Bulldog Club section my entire life, which is very disappointing. My hardcore friend has nine football season tickets, four basketball season tickets, and three baseball season tickets. His family has a six hour round trip to attend State athletic contests. His sons are all professionals and live in the same large town as him. The most people he has had for the season has been five for the Georgia game. He will not sell unused tickets to the opposition and will give them to fellow State fans. My group has eight season tickets, and he gave me four for the Georgia game. It took 2 of us working the phones and texting till 8:00 Friday night to find 4 State fans who would make the 4 hour round trip to Starkville to watch the Georgia game which our team didn't show up on either side of the ball. Until we start not just being competitive but winning again in the SEC, there will unfortunately be plenty of seats at DWS especially on the East side. Winning cures everything and we aren't doing it since Leach died and by the way, I hated his offense as it bored me to tears.

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

I know from what I've read that you live in Pittsburgh perhaps, and can't make it to the games. People are no longer going to attend games with a team that has lost 16 out of the last 17 SEC games especially with the high cost of season tickets, Bulldog Club dues, travel, food, lodging if it applies, etc. There are so many more options available for their time and entertainment dollar.

Hardcore fans like my family and friends will always be there on the West side but there has been opposing fans seated around us in section 4, a heavy Bulldog Club section my entire life, which is very disappointing. My hardcore friend has nine football season tickets, four basketball season tickets, and three baseball season tickets. His family has a six hour round trip to attend State athletic contests. His sons are all professionals and live in the same large town as him. The most people he has had for the season has been five for the Georgia game. He will not sell unused tickets to the opposition and will give them to fellow State fans. My group has eight season tickets, and he gave me four for the Georgia game. It took 2 of us working the phones and texting till 8:00 Friday night to find 4 State fans who would make the 4 hour round trip to Starkville to watch the Georgia game which our team didn't show up on either side of the ball. Until we start not just being competitive but winning again in the SEC, there will unfortunately be plenty of seats at DWS especially on the East side. Winning cures everything and we aren't doing it since Leach died and by the way, I hated his offense as it bored me to tears.

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Golden, Love your post and reasoning.

I have for the first time in forever, bought season tickets. I am out of state. I bought season tickets this year thinking we need to step up when needed most.
For every game I cannot attend, the tickets have gone for free to MSU friends and family.
I would even buy more next year if I know of MSU people that will go in my place.

The game atmosphere is incredible and tip of the hat to Selmon for fixing so many of Cohen's F ups and gameday experience.
Tip of the hat for MSU to FINALLY stop telling lies to the fanbase, and the media toting the water, for saying a logo is not available. That burned me the most with MSU the past few years. I am indifferent on the logo, but the "handling the fans" made me step back especially with Cohen.

A comment to add, people complaining about fans not showing , better ease up until because the students and the fans going now are giving all they have. The buy back into the program is slowly improving after a few years of wrecking it. There is a trust factor that might take time for MSU to prove this is the new normal for atmosphere, listening to fans, and to not try and lie about things.

on the attendance and crowd issue...in every sport recently in the biggest of moments when we have a chance, we lose. i'm especially thinking about football and basketball. people get hyped up and then...we lose. i'm not saying i think it's the correct thing for fans to do but a lot have found other things to fill their time and obsess over that won't bring them constant disappointment. that is why when we beat ASU the response was so real...it was a bigger FINALLY than when we won in omaha.

on KT...i'm beginning to convert over to wanting to see him get a majority of the snaps. although, i still believe if used correctly him coming in at certain points as a change of pace is the best situation for team success. the problem with that is...based on a mountain of evidence...Lebby will have zero ability to know when that time is. when the team needs a spark...what to do to provide the spark...and what plays to call to maximize our opportunity and any given point.

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Golden, Love your post and reasoning.

I have for the first time in forever, bought season tickets. I am out of state. I bought season tickets this year thinking we need to step up when needed most.
For every game I cannot attend, the tickets have gone for free to MSU friends and family.
I would even buy more next year if I know of MSU people that will go in my place.

The game atmosphere is incredible and tip of the hat to Selmon for fixing so many of Cohen's F ups and gameday experience.
Tip of the hat for MSU to FINALLY stop telling lies to the fanbase, and the media toting the water, for saying a logo is not available. That burned me the most with MSU the past few years. I am indifferent on the logo, but the "handling the fans" made me step back especially with Cohen.

A comment to add, people complaining about fans not showing , better ease up until because the students and the fans going now are giving all they have. The buy back into the program is slowly improving after a few years of wrecking it. There is a trust factor that might take time for MSU to prove this is the new normal for atmosphere, listening to fans, and to not try and lie about things.

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I've said this before many times. From 2010-Florida 2018, we had cornered a market of the sidewalk fans who don't really support one team fully. They probably have OM polos and State polos in their closet. We lost that market with Moorhead and still haven't gotten it back. A lot of times during those years, those people would be the ones buying up those unused and 3rd party tickets that we weren't selling. Now it's the opposing fans. For Mississippi State, we have to figure out how to get those fans back. Or is it even possible. OM has that market cornered at the moment because they are winning and Oxford is perceived as the place you have to be on the weekends.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I've said this before many times. From 2010-Florida 2018, we had cornered a market of the sidewalk fans who don't really support one team fully. They probably have OM polos and State polos in their closet. We lost that market with Moorhead and still haven't gotten it back. A lot of times during those years, those people would be the ones buying up those unused and 3rd party tickets that we weren't selling. Now it's the opposing fans. For Mississippi State, we have to figure out how to get those fans back. Or is it even possible. OM has that market cornered at the moment because they are winning and Oxford is perceived as the place you have to be on the weekends.

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in my extended family, people that never went to ole miss or know where any academic buildings are at, go to ole miss games. Seems to make many of them feel they are part of a higher thing.
To me, it is important we keep getting more in state and nearby out of state regions as students- more families staying nearby over time and more that can get to Starkville.

Agree on all the sidewalk fans during Mullen. He gave us swagger, and from wearing gold on egg bowls, to being number 1, etc.
MSU can get back, but it is not in just one or two seasons of listening to us while learning to win.
MSU 17'd this up , lying to fans for years on a simple logo issue, telling them they hired a coach that is not changing offense etc. I know all that is argued but it starts to add up. We are not like ole miss fans where we are cult like and lap up all the BS.

Thank goodness for Selmon and whoever else is treating fans with value.
Our game day experience this year is really good. We have brought fans with us that are casual football fans at best, and they love the whole thing especially pregame.

edit: one thing to mention..... Since Lane has been at ole miss , every year, he has called out the fans for not staying in the stadium or even showing up. They have the hottest name in college football this season and could not keep their own stadium full. No telling what that turns into there on empty seats when he is gone.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I've said this before many times. From 2010-Florida 2018, we had cornered a market of the sidewalk fans who don't really support one team fully. They probably have OM polos and State polos in their closet. We lost that market with Moorhead and still haven't gotten it back. A lot of times during those years, those people would be the ones buying up those unused and 3rd party tickets that we weren't selling. Now it's the opposing fans. For Mississippi State, we have to figure out how to get those fans back. Or is it even possible. OM has that market cornered at the moment because they are winning and Oxford is perceived as the place you have to be on the weekends.

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Know the NIL/Portal world has changed big time, but "Just Win, Baby.", the late, great Al Davis and DWS will be full again.

And to all State fans, do all you can, when you can, at all levels of involvement from where you are to get us there again! We have thousands of the most loyal, although often long suffering fans in college football and fans is short for fanatics! Hail State!

Me and my kids will be at Egg Bowl watching Lame's last game at Mississippi

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

Know the NIL/Portal world has changed big time, but "Just Win, Baby.", the late, great Al Davis and DWS will be full again.

And to all State fans, do all you can, when you can, at all levels of involvement from where you are to get us there again! We have thousands of the most loyal, although often long suffering fans in college football and fans is short for fanatics! Hail State!

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But that's the thing. We won with Leach, 7 in 21 and 9 in 22, and we struggled with attendance. I don't really know that there is a great solution. COVID may have taken some of our fan base that used to come to game and showed them that they preferred to stay at home.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

But that's the thing. We won with Leach, 7 in 21 and 9 in 22, and we struggled with attendance. I don't really know that there is a great solution. COVID may have taken some of our fan base that used to come to game and showed them that they preferred to stay at home.

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agree with this. at this point in my life spending my saturdays at state and going to every game just isn't feasible...kids playing sports, kids wanting to hunt, kids just being kids. that said i have really gotten to where firing up my grill, poppin open a cold beer, and watching the game at my house or with a couple buddies has become my favorite way to take in a football game. mind you once my kids decide they want to start going to games then that's what we will do but i'm in no rush. and i'm sure some on here will bash me for that but it is how i feel in this point of life. and just like all things that will prolly change at some point.

how many of those 7 and 9 wins were in big hyped up games against big time opponents? i ask because i truly don't recall. the biggest games i remember with leach were obviously at LSU in his first SEC game and the big comeback at auburn.

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

agree with this. at this point in my life spending my saturdays at state and going to every game just isn't feasible...kids playing sports, kids wanting to hunt, kids just being kids. that said i have really gotten to where firing up my grill, poppin open a cold beer, and watching the game at my house or with a couple buddies has become my favorite way to take in a football game. mind you once my kids decide they want to start going to games then that's what we will do but i'm in no rush. and i'm sure some on here will bash me for that but it is how i feel in this point of life. and just like all things that will prolly change at some point.

how many of those 7 and 9 wins were in big hyped up games against big time opponents? i ask because i truly don't recall. the biggest games i remember with leach were obviously at LSU in his first SEC game and the big comeback at auburn.

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On the first point, I don't begrudge you. You are spending your time and money the way you want to spend it. Never going to tell someone how to spend their money.

On the second point, I think that's where there's a disconnect right now. It seems that for all of our fans to show up, it has to be this perfect maelstrom of conditions: a big time opponent, a night kick for some, a day kick for some, not too hot, not too cold, premium tickets for upper deck prices, etc. And all that is understandable. People have priorities. But when you have folks complaining about atmosphere, about opposing fan bases taking over stadium, and about how we can't get close to a sell out it's easy to see why.

Big screens and a grill are lots more comfortable

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

agree with this. at this point in my life spending my saturdays at state and going to every game just isn't feasible...kids playing sports, kids wanting to hunt, kids just being kids. that said i have really gotten to where firing up my grill, poppin open a cold beer, and watching the game at my house or with a couple buddies has become my favorite way to take in a football game. mind you once my kids decide they want to start going to games then that's what we will do but i'm in no rush. and i'm sure some on here will bash me for that but it is how i feel in this point of life. and just like all things that will prolly change at some point.

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Agree completely. I hate to even leave the house on Fall Saturday's now

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Agree completely. I hate to even leave the house on Fall Saturday's now

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Lest we forget, us folks who don't go to ALL the games are contributing indirectly too. It allows the SEC a media rights deal that generates over $550 million a year. And that gets Mississippi State their portion of over $50 million. If we don't watch, that doesn't happen at that level.

I completely understand not being able to attend games due to financial or family obligations. I live in PA and can?t attend. If I lived in the southeast I?m sure I would attend some but not all. We always have empty seats at home basketball games. While frustrating, I get it. What I am saying is completely unacceptable is that our entire east side is always all visiting fans and that never happens at any other college stadiums. I will take Pitt for example. They always have a lot of empty seats because people around here care more about the Steelers and NFL. Perfectly fine. But not half of heinz field is visiting fans. The fact we let this happen over and over is what infuriates me.