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The best stretch in MSU history was from 1996-2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I'd argue that we grossly underachieved in 2015 because of the o-line. They were a big reason why we lost the Egg Bowl in 2014-2015.
And even on the defensive side Dan only really started Chris Jones full time one year. Which is crazy. Things like that held us back under Dan big time.
As far as Msu football history goes, DM was one of our best coaches, regardless of any "faults" he had. I don't understand all the talk about him, he has been gone now and we are on our fourth HC now. As much talk about him wanting out especially those that bash Small town Stark Vegas, I don't see anything wrong with folks looking around for a better job in any occupation. Just saying but to each there own, I would love to have another run like DM had over his career at Msu.
Yes, including Lebby himself with the ridiculous hire of a DC who had no credentials or qualifications to be an SEC DC just because of a personal relationship. I certainly hope the 'mentoring' help we are providing this year helps things on that side of the ball. You can only be as bad as we were last year on defense if the talent is bad AND the coaching is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I think as far as young 1st year coaches, they don't have the connections with an experience HC. The thing about Lebby, he has o have learned a whole lot from last year or I hope he has. I'm noy sure what "we" fans expect from a young 1st time Coach when it was obvious the one before had a terrible staff BUt had a better group of players than what Lebby had. Just saying.
So everyone had to deal with covid and replacing a train wreck and going to the air raid when our best passers in school history at the ran the ball just about as much as they threw it? Come on dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
75% of the guys on defense last year should be playing for Millsaps or Prairie View. The defense actually started looking better by the end of the season. The offense had a true freshman with talent but made some bad decisions in the pocket. We had zero run game most of the season. That has been remedied. I would not be surprised if we have the Arizona State Effect next season due to our portal upgrades. I'm not saying we make the playoffs by any stretch but will be be greatly improved over last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I think 5 wins will show good progress. For me the floor is 4 wins, if less than that, we have to seriously consider moving on from Levee. We have three (hopefully) automatic wins, to win 4 means beating ASU at home or Ark on the road. Do both and it's 5 wins, add an upset of OM or Misery and we're bowling and optimism is sky high.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
No one is saying that Dan wasn't successful here. I'm very grateful for 2010 and 2014. But to act like everything was perfect under him and to act like it was never good before or after him as far as MSU football is concerned just simply isn't accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I could see us making a jump to 5-6 wins and then making a significant jump in 2026. I think that's similar to what happened at Arizona or Arizona State.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Never said he was perfect, my point was he was one of our best HC for football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
ASU was 2-10 or maybe 3-9 the year before and scored some good portal players to fill some holes.They went from an abysmal record to making the playoffs. I think we will be in a similar situation next season, just not making the playoff part. I think we can get 5-6 wins. Beating ASU will be huge even if they don't have Scooby Doo and some of those guys on defense from last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We go 3-9 next year Lebby has to go, but I seriously doubt that happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by viverlibre
I seriously think we go 2-10 again. Not hating it’s just that this program is cooked and we dont have donors or boosters interested enough to pay enough to win. They want to status quo. They want access to the program and to rub elbows with coaches, players, and other donors to make financial deals. It’s a glorified social club at that level and that’s as far as the interest goes. That combined with annually having one of the toughest schedules in the country is just a recipe for where we are and where we will stay. It’s unfortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
ASU plays in the Big 12. We play in the SEC. Huge differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Why? What about our roster tells you we should win 5-6 games?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
No shit, Sherlock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I guess I'm optimist. I don't gloom and doom or think the worst is going to happen. Of course, positivity has frowned upon around here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I mean its great to have optimism. I wish I had some. But our roster is a lower level P5 roster. It is what it is. Lebby could do a great coaching job and still go 4-8.
Lose the Arizona State game- and we are facing 3-9 in the face. All of our semi-toss-up games are on the road.
Guess that really magnifies the craphole we are in when an 'optimist' thinks we could win 5 to 6 games. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Lose the ASU game and I'll be pissed. All 4 non-cons and 1 low fruit SEC team like Arkansas would be a good rebuilding year. There's some light at the end of the tunnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm an optimist not a delusional idiot. This program is in a hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
But it is a P5 roster, we couldn't say that last year. So that gives me hope that we can get to 5-6 wins if we catch a team or two sleeping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34